Virtual Casino - Tit for Tat Rants

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So much for not bullying and/or being judgemental. You seem to think that you can treat us with no respect in your scolding posts but you demand we treat this new GW rep, Marty, with respect? Jeez Louise.

hahahaha - and exactly how is pointing out YOUR behavior as being disrespectful?

I'm sorry - can you educate me on this?

Because honestly YOU seem to think it is alright to BASH people.

REALLY - that's a fact - posts to prove it - one by one.

AND YOU THINK IT IS OK TO DO THIS - on Bryan's forum... EVEN after he said not to.

Hmmmm...

All I can do is laugh at you.
 
Admin reminder - don't piss me off.

Hey pal,
What is your plan for the thousands who will not PM you on account they do not read this forum? You have none so eff off with your conniving, manipulative horseshit. Bow!

BTW, I am sure that witch will have about 40 more posts for you to hang:thumbsup:
30 day suspension - flaming.

Last strike for suspensions BTW - next will be permanaent.

You can't polish a turd.Or tame beast thats been in the wild to long.

14 day suspension - flaming.

BBBBBBBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Now put moi on ignore:):):).................You are "out of line", No, you are "out of line", Fine by me if it makes you feel better!!
Act like a child - be treated like one. Verbal spanking - grow up, man.

Anyone else want to be a martyr? Try me.
 
Please guys - let's just drop this tit-for-tat that so endangers a useful thread :) and WW a personal appeal -please give the cap button a break - all this shouting is jangling my nerves :D.

@RobWin - until you have attended a [non-affiliate, general internet gambling] conference - and there's a big one upcoming in Montreal soon - it's hard to appreciate how much stuff is quietly organised, informed, argued and put together for the benefit of players by a number of people who truly place advocacy above advertising or affiliate activity, and have by deed and reputation earned the respect and the ear of decision makers.

It's not at all the exclusive club of "industry insiders" that some would have you believe, btw - it's open to anyone who is perceived to deliver real and balanced value.

Like Bryan and a few others, these are not the sort of guys and gals that do this stuff so they can subsequently issue press releases, post a brag-fest or otherwise blow their own trumpets.

I don't think your post some pages back about "those who attend conferences" was meant as a criticism of the sort of people I am referring to above, but it is something you should perhaps note and see demonstrated for yourself by attending such a general industry event - it's very informative in any number of positive ways.

Back on topic - @WW - this thread is moving so fast that your response to my last post is now deeply submerged, so I will just comment that if your view remains unchanged regarding the perceived relevance of Marty in real terms, we will have to agree to disagree.

The one thing your rationale does not appear to take into account is the danger to new online gamblers sucked in by manouevres such as "we've turned over a new leaf", because in the past that has turned out to be a hollow promise in several cases, and with this operator in particular.

That's a real danger to newbie players and the reason why there's a need to keep posting challenges whenever someone like Marty (for whom I bear no personal malice) pops up singing from the latest and now well worn "we're cleaning up" hymn sheet.

It's been said many times, but it bears repeating - reputation is a critical element in this industry.

If a company so rashly and repeatedly throws it's rep away, there is no way that players will meekly accept its latest assurance that it is reborn and instantly integrity-driven.

So the past definitely does matter, and until there is bona fide evidence of real change, players should be slow to trust again....even if a respectable affiliate name is spearheading the initiative.



No.

YOU are missing my ENTIRE Point.

Again - whether or not GW changes is NOT the flipping issue.

Guys - OPEN YOUR EYES HERE.

I'm not talking about GW at all.

I'm talking about the way some of you are posting - as if it is OK to be RUDE - regardless of who and what you are talking to.

I'm sorry - all of the things you presented could be VERY true - it isn't that you presented wrong concepts.

It is HOW you presented them...

Example:

Marty: Hi - I'm new and I'd like to say this is what I'm trying to do ____.

CROWD: Screw you M-F'er - you're an arsehole - cram crap in your piehole

Marty: Is there any relevant things I can help with - if anyone needs anything - I am availble.

CROWD: You Stupid M-F'er - F you - eat shit and everyone around you can F off too.

Marty: I'm sorry, is there anything I can do?

CROWD: No you scumbag - you suck - you EFF off.



Now in this almost exact copy of a condensed version of what is here on this forum for all to see... It becomes heartbreakingly obvious that humanity has escaped the crowd.

It becomes obvious that regardless of anything else - there are people who would prefer to act like monkeys and fling monkey poo - because it amuses themselves.

Instead of dealing with Marty in a humanizing way - and maybe offering suggestions or assistance - and even guidance.... people chose to go apeshit on him in such a manner that I was offended and almost embarrassed to be a member of this forum.

This isn't how ANY friends of mine would act.

Especially in a public/social setting - which is EXACTLY what this forum is.

My caps aren't shouting - they are a 'stress" to the word in a form of diction instead of going back and highlighting the word and then putting the I tag or the B tag on it.

Call me lazy...

Again - back on point ----- I NEVER SAID GO PLAY AT GW...

I NEVER said - GW is going to emerge shining and beautiful.

I NEVER SAID - GW should be taken out of the Rogue section - I never said ANYTHING of the sort....

I said for GOD'S Sake - treat this other human being like a human.
 
Like I have stated twice already in this thread, it is not okay to flame someone. If and when I am aware of it, I will take the appropriate action.

It's a shame I have to take time out on a weekend to babysit some members. Go ahead and keep pissing me off and see the Cheermeister turn into the Nazi-meister.

I feel I give people here enough freedom, and believe me - the majority of the forum are well-behaved, rational, balanced folk. But for the few - those happy few that continue to act like children, you will be shown the door.

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WW, if anyone is missing the point - and in the process unfortunately derailing the argument on the real issue in this thread - it is yourself.

You've repeatedly and forcefully made your feelings known - IN CAPS (God help us) - and most of us agree that forum courtesy and discipline are essential.

It's something most of us support wholeheartedly, have said so.... and generally practice.

There are always a few exceptions, and one can perhaps understand, if not condone, the harshness of those who have been screwed over by this operator. Their position is a little more painful than those of us who have not.

But you appear to feel the need to keep on haranguing the members here, figuritively shouting and scolding, and that is imo bordering on flaming and abuse; and it detracts from the substance and value of warning players through this thread.

Bryan has now taken action against some members. Surely there has been enough distraction and we can get back to the central argument - is this a genuine and acceptable move or just another snow-job, what do members here think about it, and are players again prepared to trust their fortunes to the operator concerned?
 
WW, if anyone is missing the point - and in the process unfortunately detouring the argument on the real issue in this thread - it is yourself.

You've repeatedly and forcefully made your feelings known - IN CAPS (God help us) - and most of us agree that forum courtesy and discipline are essential.

It's something most of us support wholeheartedly, have said so.... and generally practice.

There are always a few exceptions, and one can perhaps understand, if not condone, the harshness of those who have been screwed over by this operator. Their position is a little more painful than those of us who have not.

But you appear to feel the need to keep on haranguing the members here, figuritively shouting and scolding, and that is imo bordering on flaming and abuse; and it detracts from the substance and value of warning players through this thread.

Bryan has now taken action against some members. Surely there has been enough distraction and we can get back to the central argument - is this a genuine and acceptable move or just another snow-job, what do members here think about it, and are players again prepared to trust their fortunes to the operator concerned?

Jet - Agreed - back to the REAL conversation.

Can Marty take on this Organization and change it?

The backing by Calvin Ayers and Becky - are surprising to say the least.

Marty's background and reputation are on the line here.

Ayers is the owner of BILLION DOLLAR industry. He does NOT back ANYTHING unless he think it is a sure thing.

This ALONE should make everyone here stop and think a little harder about this transaction - and the implications behind it.

GW has gone down in flames. They are definite Rogue as of this posting. They have lied, not paid, cheated players out of things.

But few of us know the reasons why this happened, how it happened - who was involved.

When a company changes hands - is sold or management is changed, often it takes awhile to shake the previous "bad ownership/management".

Brand Imaging is imperative in this industry.

For Marty to succeed, it will take him actively choosing a time frame and dealing with those things that happened within that time frame.

It means he will have to effectively go forth and not ALLOW what has happened in the past to continue on.

Again - I refuse to use GW - nor send any of my customers that way - until I see a definitive change in the company and it's practices.

Is Marty capable of handling those changes?

Honestly - the software is just software - it is the management and the ownership that chooses the direction of the company.

So - can the BRANDED NAME be changed into something respectable?

I don't know...

But I do know that it would be much better to offer solutions that are BASED in reality to give Marty to work with - instead of bombarding him with hatred for things he is NOT responsible for.

If he is driving the ship now - it would be much more EFFECTIVE to see him given lists of actions that are doable - so that he can actually provide TRUE VALUE to the players.

So, if you were to give him a list - and remember - he is not personally responsible for previous activity - what would you say was LOGICALLY FAIR?

1) Set a time frame - to deal with past payment issues:


  • Let's say you have 6 months to put in a request for any payment from the past that you feel you were wronged on.

  • Let's say - Going back as 4 years. (that's pretty far - and records must be available - but who knows for how long?) But 4 years might be too far - but hey - do what you can.

  • Let's say - there needs to be PUBLIC advertisement on the issue - maybe ads on all the major forums - emailing every previous client (unless you think this might be a spam issue) - Perhaps posting on a few of the Affiliate boards - or sending out Articles to be included in API - etc.

2) Stick to your word.

  • Don't tell people you're going to do ONE thing and then do another.
  • Get it cleared from the top - and in writing - then demonstrate the action.

3) Provide better customer service

  • This speaks for itself.

4) Open up a negotiations team that can deal with past or future player issues.

  • This doesn't mean give in to everyone. This means LISTEN. I realize the people on this forum haven't really listened very well, however, your company should listen to it's players.

5) Oversee Operations

  • Make sure things are running smoothly - continue to be vigilant.
  • Make sure that licensing and other things are kept up to date.
  • MANAGE the place - properly - stay on your toes - and theirs.

6) Communicate - Communicate - Communicate

And those are just a few suggestions off of the top of my head.

Does anyone else have any CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions?

(and Jet - my all caps words are STRESSED words - like someone would bold or italisize a word... I'm just too lazy to go and highlight everything. Sorry it bothers you.)
 
Hi all,

It's nothing person against you Marty Davis, hell I don't know you from a bar of soap. However trying to make silk purse out of this sours ear is like trying to flog a dead horse imo.

I've see untold promises broken time and time again. Lets not forget hiring THUGS and intimidation phone calls to players who Virtual Casino Group saw as a threat.

Where you aware of these actions Marty?

I like the other old timers were around when this sh#t started hitting the fan back in 2000/1 and I've been witness to it continuing every since.

Given the entire gambit of their dubious past history of casino management, I hold little doubt that things will improve.

And if all players get paid, what then...I can't see them being accredited here, not in the short term, maybe never.

Maybe Karma has come back to bite Virtual Casino Group in the ass. Are the Google SERPS are taking their toll on sign-ups. Whatever the reason for VCG wanting to right things now, it's too little too late imo.


Cheers

:)

Dave

Thank you thank you thank you - a hundred times over for doing this civilly.

That is ALL I want.

The way you posted this was NOT horrifying to witness - and you said precisely the same things.

THANK You for taking the time to be human Dave.
 
THANK You for taking the time to be human Dave.

:what:

I thought Simmo! made it pretty clear by closing your other thread and why!
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/disrespect-for-bryans-forum.37670/

Jestset also made a point about your dogmatic rhetoric here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...ing-wages-rep-trying-to-assist-players.37533/

But you choose to carry it on back here...And what are you implying by "taking the time to be human"...:eek:

Sheesh I can't believe someone would go on such a rant rampage then do exactly the same thing as they are protesting about.

Edit: I've decide to exercise my right as a CM member to add your name to my ignore list.
Something you could do to posters who annoy you too.

Far less abrasive and respectful that your rants and I WANT attitude.



Cheers

:)

Dave
 
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Keep on topic please Dave. Thx. :thumbsup:

Sorry not sure what you mean Simmo!

The only post that fits that criteria is my response to WW, which as we both know was a carry over from a thread started by WW that you closed shortly before her post here.

Surely you can't be red flagging me for that. Or can I not defend myself against an obvious backhanded slap?


Cheers

:)

Dave
 
Sorry not sure what you mean Simmo!

The only post that fits that criteria is my response to WW, which as we both know was a carry over from a thread started by WW that you closed shortly before her post here.

Surely you can't be red flagging me for that. Or can I not defend myself against an obvious backhanded slap?


Cheers

:)

Dave

I was not then - nor NOW backhandedly slapping you.

If you know NOTHING about me after me being online all these years - then you need to know that what I say is completely WHAT I mean.

I do not hide hidden meanings behind my words.

I said THANK you - and I meant it.

I am a VERY sincere person. I am very sensitive and very blatant about how I feel. I type a lot. I do not think other people's opinions are worth less than mine. I do try to protect others. I don't usually try to be mean - nor do I like hurting other people, and rarely, if ever do it.

If I am saying thank you to someone - I mean it.

I don't play games - what you see - is entirely WHAT you get.

I really believe what has happened here was awful and it shows what society as a whole has become. If you want to be angry and malicious towards me Dave, then by all means, that is your right.

But if you stepped back and looked at my words as words of sincerity instead of callous, cold, manipulative words (as obviously you seem to think they are) - if you took them at the value with which they were written in - then you would maybe understand that my goal is peace - and to stop people from turning into nasty mobs........ This was horrible in my opinion and I believe if I am posted to - that I need to respond.

But don't take piecemeal of my commentary and then say that is all there is to the conversation. Actually read my words and listen with your heart what I am saying - and then Dave, you might find my words less offensive.

A call to peace is what I'm looking for - not this anger and hatred that is being handed out free of charge.
 
Thread closed

Since a number of you lack the self discipline to abide by my simple instructions, thread upgraded to "locked".

@ Marty - I'll open a new thread where you can take care of issues sometime tomorrow (Monday).
 
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