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Virtual = Acerevenue

Discussion in 'Casino Industry Discussion' started by Roanan, Feb 28, 2010.

    Feb 28, 2010
  1. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    In my thread last night I was able to link WinAsDealer to BeTheDealer so I got to wondering what I could find out about any possible relationship between The Virtual Casino Group and Acerevenue/Crystal Palace.


    I found enough:


    A WhoIs of TheVirtualCasino.com shows:

    DOMAIN: THEVIRTUALCASINO.COM

    RSP: Domain Directors Pty. Ltd.
    URL: You must register/login in order to see the link.

    created-date: 2002-06-20 18:46:16
    updated-date: 2010-02-11 10:03:23
    registration-expiration-date: 2015-06-20 18:46:16

    owner-organization:
    owner-street: 7p7 officentro la sabana san jose
    owner-city: san jose
    owner-state: san jose
    owner-zip: 10000
    owner-country: CR



    In addition, there another name that pops up. Etta James

    Etta James
    7p7 officentro la sabana
    san jose

    1000
    CR
    This email is not visible to you.
    1877-234-9283 (USA)
    0808-238-0023 (UK)
    You must register/login in order to see the link.




    And now.....




    drum roll please...




    The You must register/login in order to see the link.shows the following for Acerevenue:

    Phone: 1-888-731-2427
    Email: This email is not visible to you.
    Website: You must register/login in order to see the link.
    Address: Officentro La sabana
    Edificio7. Piso7
    San Jose
    , san Jose 1000
    Costa Rica
     
  2. Feb 28, 2010
  3. deucebag

    deucebag Experienced Member PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABaccred

    Occupation:
    Engineer
    Location:
    cyberspace
    The fact that they rent office space in the same building doesn't really prove much. PartyGaming, 888 and Ladbrokes (among others) are in the same building in Gibraltar, for example.
     
  4. Feb 28, 2010
  5. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    Nevetheless, Roanan is on the right track - it is known that Virtual took over the Crystal Palace brands (and rebranded them) when Warren Cloud snuffed it.

    Etta James is an interesting name and a familiar one - it also belongs to a famous American blues singer!

    From Google on the online gambling Etta James:

    Casino Slots Games Reviewer - Online Casino Industry at Cirrus Casino
    Gambling & Casinos | United States
    Current:Casino Slots Games Reviewer - Online Casino Industry at Cirrus Casino, Online Slots Games Analyst at Cirrus Casino
    Education:Citrus College
     
  6. Feb 28, 2010
  7. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
    Bierland
    The bottom line is that Virtual and the Ace Revenue casinos use the same support, but they differ in brands and marketing. Gambling Wages for the Virtual group, Ace Revenue for the ex-Warren Cloud casinos.

    So they differ in marketing and branding only. This is pretty much common knowledge (or so I thought).
     
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  8. Mar 1, 2010
  9. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    Okay...

    Still digging and I'm finding more:


    Working with the address and variations thereof,

    Officentro La sabana (The Savannah)
    Edificio7, Piso7 (Building 7, Floor 7)
    San Jose


    I have found another company that is located there.
    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    (Isn't SilverArrow associated with Gambling Wages?)

    The trace of the IP address shows it also belonging to mail.prismcasino.com

    On You must register/login in order to see the link. there's a post from the BET365 affiliate manager, Simon Eaton praising them and announcing job opportunities.

    The IP address of silverarrowmarketing is also shared by icronex.com

    Icronex lists as it's clients:
    * Netsurfmedia
    * Silver Arrow Marketing

    and is located in Canada:

    Icronex Media Ltd.
    1300-1500, W Georgia Street
    Vancouver BC, Canada V6G 2Z6
    Tel: +1-604-689-9977
    1-877-689-9977 (Toll free)
    Fax: +1-866-728-5044


    Also located at this address is:

    Ace Revenue
    Jessy Robins
    1-877-689-9977
    This email is not visible to you.
    You must register/login in order to see the link.
    1300-1500, W Georgia Street
    Vancouver BC, Canada V6G 2Z6



    NetSurfMedia seems familiar to me yet I don't know why.

    They are an England-based firm, and have a post on CM about it linking them to 'known rogue RTG casinos' and a trace of them confirms this.

    It's registered to SilverArrow and the IP address is shared by mail.casinosupportcenter.com

    casinosupportcenter.com is, of course, the domain server for The Virtual Group




    ....phew....I need a break....back with more soon, but there's a nice tangled web here so far
     
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  10. Mar 1, 2010
  11. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    Now I know why Netsurf seemed familiar

    They are listed as the owner of 123bingoonline and BingoKnights among others

    The phone number for 123bingoonline and BingoKnights is shared with SlotsOfVegas


    More connections among all these companies showing that this really is just one.
     
  12. Mar 1, 2010
  13. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    Doing all my traces and IP searches, one in particular has popped up:

    69.72.144.130


    This one IP address is shared by:

    help4casino.com (redirects to prism)
    mail.betroyalmarketing.com
    mail.netsurfmedia.com
    mail.prismpromos.com
    ns1.123bingo.com
    ns3.help4casino.com
    pobox.prismaffiliate.com
    mail.silverarrowmarketing.com


    So this continues to directly tie TheVirtualGroup to Acerevenue


    This also means that there are number of casinos that are involved with this company whether they realize it or not, including accredited casino Bet365, because they use Silver Arrow, but I've clearly shown that it's part of The Virtual Group
     
  14. Mar 1, 2010
  15. GGW Laurie

    GGW Laurie Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Self Employed
    Location:
    In the Beautiful South !!
    Damn good detective work on your part:thumbsup:
     
  16. Mar 1, 2010
  17. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    Okay, to sum up what we have so far:

    There's an address in Costa Rica shared by:

    The Virtual Casino Group (Prism, Cirrus, CoolCat, etc.)
    Netsurf owned sites (123Bingo, BingoKnights)
    Acerevenue

    There's an address in Vancouver shared by:
    Icronex Media Ltd.
    AceRevenue

    Icronex lists it's clients as:
    Netsurfmedia
    Silver Arrow Marketing

    So Icronex works for The Virtual Group and shares space with AceRevenue.

    Netsurf Media IS The Virtual Casino Group and is demonstrated by the telephone number for 123Bingo and BingoKnights also being the number for SlotsOfVegas

    SilverArrow owns Gambling Wages (who market Virtual casinos) and is directly tied to companies that are tied to Acerevenue.

    Silver Arrow is used by other casinos including ACCREDITED casino Bet365.
     
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  18. Mar 1, 2010
  19. Dangerous53

    Dangerous53 Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    retired
    Location:
    In the wind
    :lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup:

    From a PR found here: You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Icronex also is listed in India:

    India
    Icronex Technologies Pvt. Ltd.
    122, Vipul Agora, M.G. Road
    Gurgaon, India 122 002
    Board: +91-124-466 39 00
    HR: +91-124-466 39 04
    Fax: +91-124-466 39 07
     
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2010
  20. Mar 1, 2010
  21. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    I amend this to read:

    Icronex is part of The Virtual Group as indicated by them sharing IP addresses and mail server with SilverArrowMarketing


    Virtual/SilverArrow share space with Acerevenue in Costa Rica and Icronex share space with AceRevenue in Vancouver.


    I also think I can stop using the 'share space' analogy as I have clearly linked these companies.
     
  22. Mar 1, 2010
  23. jod5413

    jod5413 Is That Better?

    Occupation:
    having a good time doing anything
    Location:
    somewhere on the planet
    All these nefarious connections are worrisome. I know I am being somewhat silly, but I really wish the USA would "get on board" and make all this stuff legal. It would sure slow down the bad guys.
     
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  24. Mar 2, 2010
  25. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    I'm continuing to look into this.

    Today I have discovered the IP address 209.62.28.26

    It is shared by:

    acerevenue.com
    affiliateevaluator.com
    catseyecasino.com
    clubplayercasino.com
    content.acerevenue.com
    content.gwages.com
    goldstreamcasino.com
    uckypalmcasino.com
    news.silveroakcasino.com
    partycitycasino.com
    ringmastercasino.com
    royalacecasino.com
    silveroakcasino.com
    acerevenue.com
    affiliateevaluator.com
    cirruscasino.co.uk
    cirruscasino.com
    cirruscasino.net
    clubplayercasino.com
    coolcat-casino.com
    coolcatcasino.com
    goldstreamcasino.com
    luckypalmcasino.com
    palaceofchance.com
    ringmastercasino.com
    rtgaffiliate.com
    silveroakcasino.com
    slotsofvegas.com
    wildvegascasino.com
     
    4 people like this.
  26. Mar 2, 2010
  27. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    Whoa!!!!!!



    Let's add something new into the mix:


    Mighty Slots


    The rogue pit shows them as being operated by Curgam Malta


    My research has discovered that they are actually owned by:

    Doleplex Trading ltd.,
    4th floor,
    5 Costis Palamas Street,
    Nicosia 1305,
    Cyprus


    Doleplex owned some of the Crystal Palace casinos (VegasFrontier, Silver Sands, Casino Peru, etc)

    Crystal Palace is now Acerevenue

    I have already proved Acerevenue and The VirtualGroup are, if not the same company, then certainly in bed together.


    Therefore:

    VIRTUAL = ACEREVENUE = MIGHTY SLOTS


    Rogues within rogues within rogues
     
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  28. Mar 2, 2010
  29. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

    Occupation:
    Who knows?
    Location:
    A Vault!
    Here's you a little more info Roanan regarding "Cleopatras Palace Casino" and how they too tie in to all of these other connections you are describing here....

    Keep up your great work on this buddy...:thumbsup:

    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums...-cleopatraspalacecasino-com-2.html#post322001

    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums...-cleopatraspalacecasino-com-3.html#post322049

    Edit to add: Virtual = Acerevenue = You must register/login in order to see the link.
    ____
    ____
     
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  30. Mar 2, 2010
  31. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    For me it was just about proving connections after I helped Max do it with BeTheDealer and WinAsDealer.

    That got me to thinking who my 'favourite' casinos were connected to.

    Seeing how RTG rogues pop up so often, I thought seeing if they're connected would be worth a shot.

    I guess it was because it seems that they all are.
     
  32. Mar 2, 2010
  33. Tengil

    Tengil Senior Member

    Occupation:
    -
    Location:
    Finland
    But hey they are a Platinum sponsor at GPWA:rolleyes:

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Best part is RobWins post and CityGuards reply
     
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  34. Mar 2, 2010
  35. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

    Occupation:
    Who knows?
    Location:
    A Vault!
    I just gave up and left that one the hell alone after the response I received, but thanks for recognizing my effort there spiderlegz, much appreciated...:)
    ____
    ____
     
  36. Mar 2, 2010
  37. Tengil

    Tengil Senior Member

    Occupation:
    -
    Location:
    Finland
    Its actually sad that individual affiliates gets jumped on for promoting rogue/bad casinos and when someone criticize GPWA its always hushed away.

    Even if the programs are just sponsors many affs probably think its okay to go with them as in fact they recommend them IMO with their warm welcomes and "reviews".
     
  38. Mar 2, 2010
  39. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    I noticed in that thread that the AceRevenue rep stated that 90% of their work is done in the Vancouver office.


    Hmm....


    I think I'll pay them a visit later this week.

    This isn't Costa Rica. I'm pretty sure I won't get roughed up by thugs if I do.
     

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