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It's the timing, bonanza is the worst, the pattern of base game after say a 20x win is markedly distinct every time, lose, lose lose etc...

It wouldn't surprise me if that win 'event' triggers a reel set change with worse odds for win frequency, still technically random, which for ukgc is no two consecutive spins should result in the same symbols landing in the same places iirc
 
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Must admit, agree with that: Relax, NLC offer volatile games: Bonanza's probably more of the lower end of Medium- ish game IMO.

One 16000x win in 6 years doesn't strike me as a volatile benchmark :laugh:

Volatility isn't just max pay though.

PnG's Multifruit81 is quite famously a pretty volatile game, despite having a max pay of (IIRC) 1000x.

Or even something like NetEnt's Twin Spin, again a fairly low max pay, 1080x from memory on this one, but pegged at medium-high volatility.

In both cases a lot of the RTP is loaded into wins of hundreds of times stake, and if you don't hit one of those, they can be pretty brutal.

I'd agree with your overall analysis though, and would say Bonanza is probably medium volatility, maybe medium-high, it depends what the feature frequency is doing, get on the wrong end of that 1/460 feature frequency, and even with its famous churn in the base game, it can still do a lot of damage.
 

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Well, if it's not that then what is it? The ability to change rapidly? - well, on that, i agree, as per Mack's comments: hit a 20x and boom, snookered for the next X spins

Like many on here probably we assume that it equates, in layman's terms to: you gotta suffer a lot of 10x's to get to the Holy Grail: in Bonanza's terms that's 500x, in Relax terms that's 20000x
 

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So here's another one to put into the 'relatively small top prize but really weird volatility profile' camp, it's WIXX by NLC. They tag it as Medium Volatility but the way it meets RTP, and its volatility profile, is really weird.

The max pay on this game is 2796x stake, as per the stat sheet in the affiliate pack.

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I've put many tens of thousands of spins through Wixx this week on the NLC affiliate site, I was WFH so had one of my spare PCs just churning through this for eight or more hours every day on autoplay.

I have played Wixx a reasonable amount for real in the past, but it was only after doing all those spins that I realised there is basically only one way to win on this game, and if you don't get the specific 'super feature' trigger, you will never win.

Results will vary depending on how long it takes to get the trigger, but I've seen my balance go down by as much as 1700x before getting it, I cannot stress this enough, if you don't get the trigger, your balance will only go one in direction, relentlessly down. (I'm not saying the game doesn't have other wins in it, of course it does, but for a big hit, this is the only show in town.)

Normal features are triggered by getting four of the same coloured gem on each of the reels, the colours are blue, red and yellow. When this happens you go off into a single super respin with enhanced reels (each colour of gem has its own modifier for the super respin), but the max possible pays on each of these is kind of capped by the fact you only have one modifier in play.

The way to get the juicy pays is to get TWO of the same gems on each of the reels, specifically the red and yellow gems, because then you get a respin with both of their modifiers in effect, the yellow gems confer a 5x multiplier, and the red gems act as wilds, this means you can get full screens of gems that pay wild and 5x - you can wait a LONG time for this trigger to happen. (Theoretically just the yellow gems could hit the same full 5x screens on the respin, but you'd need godlike luck for that to happen (I didn't see it once), I reckon you need the wilds in there too.)

So basically, this is the trigger, this is a still from a video on my old channel, as this was a real money hit I had playing at Skol. You can see the red and yellows on 1-2-4, the diamond on 3 is a wild and substitutes for both gems.

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This is how it landed on the respin, it's not perfect, as you can see I have two yellows and a blue on reel 2 which pay less than the reds, if that had been three reds on reel 2, it would have been the top pay on game, as it was however, it represented a (still very good!) 1291x stake.

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My point here is that this is the only show in town when it comes to winning on this game, certainly in terms of hitting a big win, and it's the only way to get out of the hole once you're maybe 200x or more down.

If you didn't know this trigger was in there and hadn't seen it, you might genuinely conclude the game was essentially impossible to win on and would never meet RTP. It's a really weird way to balance a game, time and time again during my test sessions, it was only this specific trigger that could pull a balance back once it'd gone south. if you don't get this, you're going to lose, and potentially quite heavily. Obviously if you get it relatively early on in a session (as I did at Skol), you can bag yourself a solid win.

I'm entirely content that the game makes RTP, but if you decide to have a dabble yourself, don't be deceived by the stated medium volatility and relatively low top prize of under 3000x, if you don't get that super trigger, this game will take you to pieces.
 

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Push Gaming have started adding more information and a bit more transparency about their slots.

Nice to know the actual odds of hitting the max pay on this slot, which seems low in comparison to the odds for some Play'n'Go slots where max pays are in the billions to one.
Although playing this slot (Mad Cars) the odds of hitting over 20xbet are in the hundreds to one it seems.

But I find it a bit alarming to know the the maximum pay of the slot can be capped unbeknown to the player, would a casino actually reveal what cap they have configured, that should be stated in the game info surely!

I know DoA2 has been capped to x10k and some sites but do other software providers do this, is this the reason we don't see a lot of the max wins of slots out there, like above 6000x on Bonanza?

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Push Gaming have started adding more information and a bit more transparency about their slots.

Nice to know the actual odds of hitting the max pay on this slot, which seems low in comparison to the odds for some Play'n'Go slots where max pays are in the billions to one.
Although playing this slot (Mad Cars) the odds of hitting over 20xbet are in the hundreds to one it seems.

But I find it a bit alarming to know the the maximum pay of the slot can be capped unbeknown to the player, would a casino actually reveal what cap they have configured, that should be stated in the game info surely!

I know DoA2 has been capped to x10k and some sites but do other software providers do this, is this the reason we don't see a lot of the max wins of slots out there, like above 6000x on Bonanza?

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One can scarcely even begin to imagine the carnage of asking CS about that one....
 

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