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Lemon

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What like the change to the weekend booster where they basically just keep some of your winnings and then give them back to you at a later date?

That was a very pro-player move.

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That didn't happen to existing players though did it? My Weekend Booster still works how it always did. I think they removed it for new sign-ups and maybe jurisdictions that outlawed bonuses and promotions. And when something gets taken away something usually gets added back to compensate - Mystery Fridays being the latest new feature.
 

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If you're an online casino laying out what VS do in promotions such as -
  • Weekend Booster
  • Monthly weekend slot battles with extra 5 x €250 prize draw
  • Clash of Spins
  • Jackpot Wheels / Trophies
  • Frenzy Mondays
  • Tuesday Madness
  • Epic Thursdays
  • Mystery Fridays
  • Saturday Madness
  • €30k Monthly Grand Freeroll Battle
  • XP level Bronze/Silver/Gold/Diamond wheels
then you might not see running a slot on 99% RTP as being cost-effective in this current hostile market. I mean, I'm just throwing it out there. You can't have high RTP's and loads of free shit every week, so a compromise has to be reached somewhere. I'd rather have promotions and stuff to look forward to - that's what makes VS different.

There's also every chance the slot could be abused somehow with bonus funds or there's a major problem with it of some sort, and that's why it's been pulled. Oh no! I'll have to play one of the other thousands of slots instead - some of which still return over 97% RTP if you look hard enough. The absolute fucking state of people in this thread sometimes when something happens they don't like. The usual suspects too. Turn it in for fuck's sake...
I would hate them to join the countless casinos that turned their back on the UK market.
Even if they never provided us with an exclusive promo again or are willing to cooperate with a game providers promo.
 

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That didn't happen to existing players though did it? My Weekend Booster still works how it always did. I think they removed it for new sign-ups and maybe jurisdictions that outlawed bonuses and promotions. And when something gets taken away something usually gets added back to compensate - Mystery Fridays being the latest new feature.

It's still a change that negatively impacted players though, even if just new players.

And it's not like VS are the only casino that run promotions, there are other UK facing casinos that still manage to offer various perks without taking the axe to RTPs, which is by far and away the single biggest thing that's going to hurt player results. (We've all seen the 'expected playtime' spreadsheet, which shows how brutal relatively minor changes to RTP can have on a player?)

Videoslots wanted to maintain their profit levels in the face of changing market conditions and a challenging UK situation, I get that, but let's not pretend they decided to do anything other than have their players take the hit instead of their bottom line.
 

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It's still a change that negatively impacted players though, even if just new players.

And it's not like VS are the only casino that run promotions, there are other UK facing casinos that still manage to offer various perks without taking the axe to RTPs, which is by far and away the single biggest thing that's going to hurt player results. (We've all seen the 'expected playtime' spreadsheet, which shows how brutal relatively minor changes to RTP can have on a player?)

Videoslots wanted to maintain their profit levels in the face of changing market conditions and a challenging UK situation, I get that, but let's not pretend they decided to do anything other than have their players take the hit instead of their bottom line.
New players would never know about or care much about what they where never promised.
Be honest. You just love to biatch about everything and videoslots are your target this evening
 

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It's still a change that negatively impacted players though, even if just new players.

And it's not like VS are the only casino that run promotions, there are other UK facing casinos that still manage to offer various perks without taking the axe to RTPs, which is by far and away the single biggest thing that's going to hurt player results. (We've all seen the 'expected playtime' spreadsheet, which shows how brutal relatively minor changes to RTP can have on a player?)

Videoslots wanted to maintain their profit levels in the face of changing market conditions and a challenging UK situation, I get that, but let's not pretend they decided to do anything other than have their players take the hit instead of their bottom line.
If new players don't know about it, how can they be affected by it? That's a complete non-argument; they should have joined sooner before it got taken away.

Yeah I'm well aware of bust/extinction rates based on house-edge - it's not rocket-science and I am most certainly not the average 'man in the street' when it comes to gambling, I can assure you of that. I can see things from many sides, thanks.

I don't see how, in the current climate, you can take such great offense to a business discontinuing something that stands to cost them money, if that's what has actually happened. Would you rather they laid a couple of people off so they can continue giving money away? Have you been impacted yourself by this, or are you simply trying to whip up a storm and get offended on behalf of your Youtube viewership? I suppose there might be a crusade in this somewhere but you just haven't quite got enough hooks yet, and there's only enough material for a poxy 5 minute video as things stand... I don't think this angle of outrage has got enough legs to be honest - removing a 99% RTP slot is hardly a scandal is it?

Maybe something will turn up next week 🙂 I hope it's not 3Dice 😬
 

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They have videopoker slots running at 99% odd, why remove a slot of the same rtp?

If any anything it's something positive for å change.
 

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If new players don't know about it, how can they be affected by it? That's a complete non-argument; they should have joined sooner before it got taken away.

Yeah I'm well aware of bust/extinction rates based on house-edge - it's not rocket-science and I am most certainly not the average 'man in the street' when it comes to gambling, I can assure you of that. I can see things from many sides, thanks.

I don't see how, in the current climate, you can take such great offense to a business discontinuing something that stands to cost them money, if that's what has actually happened. Would you rather they laid a couple of people off so they can continue giving money away? Have you been impacted yourself by this, or are you simply trying to whip up a storm and get offended on behalf of your Youtube viewership? I suppose there might be a crusade in this somewhere but you just haven't quite got enough hooks yet, and there's only enough material for a poxy 5 minute video as things stand... I don't think this angle of outrage has got enough legs to be honest - removing a 99% RTP slot is hardly a scandal is it?

Maybe something will turn up next week 🙂 I hope it's not 3Dice 😬
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The funny thing about this thread is some of members who is doing "let's bash VS" are not even the customer of VS at present, and customers of VS writes to defend VS, it tells everything. VS lowered rtp a few years ago but their customer numbers are growing ever.

VS promotions are far better than any other casinos to low rollers like me, sure other casinos have a promotion here and there, but nothing will match up VS. I'm not saying VS is the best for everyone, all I'm saying is it is best for some people.

VS marketing tactic is obviously low rtp for some slots, more promotion, and I don't see why it is a bad thing to have a variety on the market. In the end as a customer we can choose where to play.

I'm pretty sure VS has to get rid of some of their promotion if they put up rtp, and if you ask any VS customer to choose between 96% rtp for Reactoonz and Mystery Friday, most players will choose Mystery Friday, especially when the players can go to play at another casino when they are craving for the winking pink.
 

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The funny thing about this thread is some of members who is doing "let's bash VS" are not even the customer of VS at present, and customers of VS writes to defend VS, it tells everything. VS lowered rtp a few years ago but their customer numbers are growing ever.

VS promotions are far better than any other casinos to low rollers like me, sure other casinos have a promotion here and there, but nothing will match up VS. I'm not saying VS is the best for everyone, all I'm saying is it is best for some people.

VS marketing tactic is obviously low rtp for some slots, more promotion, and I don't see why it is a bad thing to have a variety on the market. In the end as a customer we can choose where to play.

I'm pretty sure VS has to get rid of some of their promotion if they put up rtp, and if you ask any VS customer to choose between 96% rtp for Reactoonz and Mystery Friday, most players will choose Mystery Friday, especially when the players can go to play at another casino when they are craving for the winking pink.
I may still be a mug punter but I think that I am a wise mug punter in still putting most of my play in vidioslots. Checks and balances
 

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I think it boils down to the fact that if you’re a low roller on a limited budget, VS is great. The various promotions can enhance your play time even when your gambling budget is toast. That is a big draw.

For bigger depositors, VS isn’t so great and it’s understandable these people would look elsewhere. Some 10 and 20p spin rewards are not going to cut it in terms of retention and the reduced RTP will be more prominent/noticeable.

Horses for courses.
 

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If new players don't know about it, how can they be affected by it? That's a complete non-argument; they should have joined sooner before it got taken away.

Yeah I'm well aware of bust/extinction rates based on house-edge - it's not rocket-science and I am most certainly not the average 'man in the street' when it comes to gambling, I can assure you of that. I can see things from many sides, thanks.

I don't see how, in the current climate, you can take such great offense to a business discontinuing something that stands to cost them money, if that's what has actually happened. Would you rather they laid a couple of people off so they can continue giving money away? Have you been impacted yourself by this, or are you simply trying to whip up a storm and get offended on behalf of your Youtube viewership? I suppose there might be a crusade in this somewhere but you just haven't quite got enough hooks yet, and there's only enough material for a poxy 5 minute video as things stand... I don't think this angle of outrage has got enough legs to be honest - removing a 99% RTP slot is hardly a scandal is it?

Maybe something will turn up next week 🙂 I hope it's not 3Dice 😬

Always a good sign that someone's safely on the moral high ground when they make things personal ;)

I refuse to believe that any amount of perks and comps make up overall for the gouging VS have done on RTP, otherwise, why do it it at all?

If folks are happy that VS took the steak off the plate and replaced it with a few mouldy sausages, that's up to them I suppose :)
 

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I think it boils down to the fact that if you’re a low roller on a limited budget, VS is great. The various promotions can enhance your play time even when your gambling budget is toast. That is a big draw.

For bigger depositors, VS isn’t so great and it’s understandable these people would look elsewhere. Some 10 and 20p spin rewards are not going to cut it in terms of retention and the reduced RTP will be more prominent/noticeable.

Horses for courses.

The thing is MrSlot I don't even think this is true. I'm not saying that a few perks and cashbacks aren't nice, but are they really going to make up for a reduction in RTP?

(When I stopped playing at VS they'd already nerfed the wheels, which could award as little as 1 free spin. I managed to get a few quid here and there from the Clash of Spins and suchlike, but nothing that would even come close to repairing the damage done by the reduction in RTPs, if I'd have carried on playing.)

Here's a simple quick example, note how a 2% reduction in RTP leads to expected average playtime changing from 2500 spins to 1666 spins, that's a huge reduction. (And we know there are starker examples than that, where VS are running on 93% or even 92% maths models. I'll leave the 50% scratchcard out of this debate.....)

Here's a £20 deposit on a 96% slot played at 20p spins.

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And here's a £20 deposit on a 94% slot played at 20p spins.

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Stretch that out a little bit to 97% and 92% (examples of which do exist, where VS have a 92% maths model of game running).

Your average spins before bust out reduce from 3333 to 1250.

97% RTP slot.

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92% RTP slot.

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And one last example, Mystery Reels Megaways, 98.06% at casinos who are running the top RTP, 93.09% at VS.

So on this slot, on average, Videoslots will reduce your playtime from 5154 spins to 1447 spins on a £20 deposit played on 20p spins, so yeah, sure they'll throw you a bone in the form of a few free spins......

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And here at Videoslots who are running it at 93.09%

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sueyh

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The thing is MrSlot I don't even think this is true. I'm not saying that a few perks and cashbacks aren't nice, but are they really going to make up for a reduction in RTP?
This is not really correct statement, since not every slots on VS has reduced RTP. There are plenty of slots on VS has RTP of 95% or more.
If your question is those free cash are really making up for the reduced rtp, the answer will be different based on the customer's play style.

If you are talking about the player who is in love with red tiger game, the answer is NO, but if you are talking about the player who chase up letter "D" on bonanza and play DOA sometimes, the answer is absolutely YES.

One more thing, VS reward system got better after you left VS, there is no more 1 free spin on the wheel, and they added more great promotions, Monday Frenzy, Tuesday Madness, Thursday SNG night, Mystery Friday, Weekend Booster all this things happen every week, and of course one SNG weekends per month.
 

Lemon

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Always a good sign that someone's safely on the moral high ground when they make things personal ;)

I refuse to believe that any amount of perks and comps make up overall for the gouging VS have done on RTP, otherwise, why do it it at all?

If folks are happy that VS took the steak off the plate and replaced it with a few mouldy sausages, that's up to them I suppose :)
I really don't understand what your problem is. You seem so desperate to sensationalise this topic and present it in the most dramatic way possible that your view is becoming blinkered.

You're acting like VS is the only online casino to drop the RTP% on slots, and this is not the case and it's growing all the time. There are still plenty of slots that offer a very attractive RTP% and people can play these games and still enjoy all the promotions. You're not forced to play slots with a slightly lowered RTP% if you don't want to you know.

Most people just find a new site they like, or carry on and accept their money will not last as long. Or something in between. You left VS ages ago and now appear to have some sort of vendetta.
 
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