Videoslots Cash Back Offer Overrated?

Azzurri

Banned User
Joined
Feb 8, 2014
Location
From Foil Land
i get the feeling you dont think things are right here , you not the only person to bring this up a fair few players have also stated its pretty poor , i shall hold back on my views.

azzuri i think you made a nice post but , maybe you could of said sorry guys i was a knob & defended yourself with far less words also were not at a school yard any longer so take things with a pitch of salt, we cant get on with everyone here ), welcome back anyway

Thanks mrjones.

I agree I was a knob, and overreacted. My frustration was born from confusion, as my op was not intended to sulk about my loses, so when cries of 'sore loser' started appearing, I got angry (wrongly so) as this is the one thing I'm not, and it's the most common and reoccurring insult that gets thrown around any time anyone raises an issue on this forum, and so often it is misplaced and due only to a difference in interpretation, and the impatience to fully understand one's point before shooting from the hip. I have been guilty of it myself with Mark, and for that I apologize. I should have known better.

My behavior did turn into school yard taunts, and I'm not sure if you missed it, but I did apologize to gagamel in particular, and anyone else I also offended. It was out of character I assure you, and embarrassing also. However, I stand by my last post, as petty school yard back and forth, does not have the damaging capabilities of trying to defame someone publicly, and label them a gambling addict, when your only evidence is general posts contributed to a recreational 'gambling' forum. This can have far reaching and much more damaging consequences then calling someone an idiot or sore loser. There's no excuses for either, yet one of those labels can ruin someone's life or family, and you may have guessed it's not being called an idiot.

I'm moving on, and despite gagamel's abusive pm on my return, after I apologized to him, I stand by that apology, and have learnt my lesson, and many others. I understand my last post my have been lengthy, and I apologize, however in my mind it was necessary given what I went through in that time I was banned, and unable to respond to those personal accusations.

A pinch of salt, hold the pepper, and thanks for the welcome back.
 
Award winning Videoslots is reviewed by Casinomeister

Azzurri

Banned User
Joined
Feb 8, 2014
Location
From Foil Land
What do you mean by that? :confused:

I appreciate the concern dunover, however please let it go.

It went hand in hand with the delightful pm he sent me.

He obviously felt the need to defend his mate Mark's honor, so you really can't knock a guy for that. If I wasn't the intended target, I'd actually admire that kind of loyalty and mate-ship. Perhaps unnecessary and ill timed, but commendable and endearing nevertheless.

I'm no longer bothered, as I see clearly now. ;)
 

Captain Chaos

Dormant account
Joined
Apr 11, 2014
Location
United Kingdom
There are some software companies who offer slots with a range of TRTP. But I don't think many of them advertise the fact.

IGT offer several 'maths models' (as they put it). That's why the TRTP stated on their paytables is a range of percentges, rather than just one figure. and WMS obviously supplied JPP with lower TRTP slots, to take into account their 'site jackpots'

The problem is, knowing which casinos have which versions. there's no obvious way of telling

Ah, ok. I knew about JPP (RIP) but wasn't aware of IGT. I don't understand why some won't display what the TRTP for the game is though. Are they scared you might not play or go elsewhere or something? It doesn't entirely bother me what the actual percentage is. A wins a win either way and you're going to lose more often than win. We all know that. But I see no harm in displaying the TRTP and letting the player decide if that is the level of risk they want to play at.
 

paul7388

Ueber Meister
MM
Joined
Jan 8, 2014
Location
glasgow scotland
Welcome back then azzurri . This is a big forum and with so many members there are always going to be some that don't get on well with others and not everyone likes each other. Id say theres at least one or 2 that don't like me but that doesn't bother me. And this isn't meant for you in particular azzurri but think it would be better if everyone just let things go and if someone comments again then just ignore it as theres been so much bitching in so many posts of late. But if anyone really thinks members are singling them out then I hear the ignore function can be pretty useful.:D
 

Azzurri

Banned User
Joined
Feb 8, 2014
Location
From Foil Land
Actually I liked this post of yours. Not a book to read, no whining but well thought out.
Keep that up and I promise to be nice :thumbsup:

Regarding Whodatrec I think he is collecting hats already. I respect his never ending thoughts about non randomness :)

Thanks Tirilej, and please accept my belated apology, as I knew I was forgetting someone, hence I tried to cover that up by throwing out a generalized sorry in that long winded post.

And no promises necessary, as I have now cleansed myself of any human emotions, so feel free to be naughty or nice, as my blank expression and reaction shall always remain creepily the same from here on in. :p
 

Azzurri

Banned User
Joined
Feb 8, 2014
Location
From Foil Land
Ah, ok. I knew about JPP (RIP) but wasn't aware of IGT. I don't understand why some won't display what the TRTP for the game is though. Are they scared you might not play or go elsewhere or something? It doesn't entirely bother me what the actual percentage is. A wins a win either way and you're going to lose more often than win. We all know that. But I see no harm in displaying the TRTP and letting the player decide if that is the level of risk they want to play at.

What?!! We lose more than we win?!!

No one ever told me this! :confused:
 

whodatrec

Banned User - multiple accounts
Joined
Aug 19, 2012
Location
Norway
Yes, im thinking the same thing. I have been mainly losing on MG slots on the Videoslots site. I just noticed they added NetEnt now tough. Might be as you say that the software providers can provide different "models" with different RTP.

If i was the only one with these kind of poor results, yes i might be the odd one out. But if as stated here there are alot of players with similar results that would be strange. Ive had some sessions where i maybe doubled my deposit so it has not all been fire and brimstone, but i get the feeling im never going to hit that big win that puts me ahead.

I have had streaks other places aswell but it always levels out. And to me it just seams like the games are tighter here than other places.
I didd 50 ish spins on Wishmaster, no wish. DOA couldent even hit 2 scatters. IR wild desire no pay, freespins far in between and shitty returns when they hit. Session after session after session...

YES i might sound like a sore loser, and i AM a sore loser. I dont mind losing at gambling if i have fun doing so. What irritates me is the total
dead sessions ive had 99% of the time playing there. Im not after a comp, as i have closed my account permanently. But in 25+ deposites you should expect i would have won atleast once. And if other people are haveing this experience what are the odds of that happening on 97% RTP games.

I have also noticed all the new NetEnt casinos popping up. Some of these i have simular experiences with. Singing up taking the max sign up bonus and never stand a chance at making WR. Seams to me the safest thing is to play at the major well known brands. Then you know even if you lose that you get a fair game and that you will win some and lose some, not just lose, lose, and then lose some more.

From now on im sticking with Betsson,Nordicbet,Unibet, and Maria.
 

Azzurri

Banned User
Joined
Feb 8, 2014
Location
From Foil Land
Yes, im thinking the same thing. I have been mainly losing on MG slots on the Videoslots site. I just noticed they added NetEnt now tough. Might be as you say that the software providers can provide different "models" with different RTP.

If i was the only one with these kind of poor results, yes i might be the odd one out. But if as stated here there are alot of players with similar results that would be strange. Ive had some sessions where i maybe doubled my deposit so it has not all been fire and brimstone, but i get the feeling im never going to hit that big win that puts me ahead.

I have had streaks other places aswell but it always levels out. And to me it just seams like the games are tighter here than other places.
I didd 50 ish spins on Wishmaster, no wish. DOA couldent even hit 2 scatters. IR wild desire no pay, freespins far in between and shitty returns when they hit. Session after session after session...

YES i might sound like a sore loser, and i AM a sore loser. I dont mind losing at gambling if i have fun doing so. What irritates me is the total
dead sessions ive had 99% of the time playing there. Im not after a comp, as i have closed my account permanently. But in 25+ deposites you should expect i would have won atleast once. And if other people are haveing this experience what are the odds of that happening on 97% RTP games.

I have also noticed all the new NetEnt casinos popping up. Some of these i have simular experiences with. Singing up taking the max sign up bonus and never stand a chance at making WR. Seams to me the safest thing is to play at the major well known brands. Then you know even if you lose that you get a fair game and that you will win some and lose some, not just lose, lose, and then lose some more.

From now on im sticking with Betsson,Nordicbet,Unibet, and Maria.

I agree mate, so you're not alone. In fairness, I have had bad runs at other sites too, but like you said it turns around at some point. VS just seemed to never reach that turning point for me, and I got tired of waiting. That's not to say it wasn't coming, but although the 'tin foil hat brigade' (lol!) have a field day with our unproven claims, sometimes you just get that feeling, so we choose to move on. I have mentioned before that my very first session at VS as a new customer resulted in a huge win, and hours of good play time despite eventually blowing it all (tried to go for a mammoth win, lol), so I am proof you can win there, however the win was so big that perhaps that RTP cycle of mine was delayed that little while longer, as I never won after that occasion.

I also think you are spot on regarding being a sore loser, and I think you have perfectly highlighted how that term is so often incorrectly used. To me, a sore loser is someone who either loses what they can't afford to, then gets upset about it, or loses all their funds and then thinks they should be reimbursed in full. Most recreational gamblers only spend what they can afford, knowing full well odds are they will lose rather than win, however many forget that we are paying often a premium price for an entertainment service, not a service that is guaranteed to double our money.Therefore, when you don't get that monies worth, and fully experience that nice emotional feeling of nervous anticipation we seek when riding the highs and lows of winning and losing all in the one session, then I don't think it is to be considered a sore loser to feel short changed if all you get is repeated dead spins, technical interruptions, no features, or repetitive short lived losing sessions.

Of course you must expect that you will get these bad sessions sometimes, however it's up to you to walk away when they become the norm. This is why most casinos offer a comp program, as they too are well aware these sessions occur, yet you don't automatically receive a comp after each losing session, as for the most part casinos are also aware that the software they provide is programmed to give you that entertainment value with a perceived even win/loss ratio to keep you playing that little while longer, even if the ultimate end game is another loss.

Anyone who says they enjoy losing their money is a liar. No one likes losing, and there's nothing wrong with venting or having a little bitch about it when it happens. This isn't being a sore loser, as many factors could be at play, such as the loss solely being the fault of the player because they didn't stop when they should have, hence they may just need to vent, knowing full well they only have themselves to blame.

I think sometimes people forget that $100 to one person may be the equivalent of $1.00 to another. Hence, when someone raises a concern and states the amount they loss, others shouldn't be quick to just focus on the monetary amount and label them a sore loser just because they perceive that amount to be large and painful to lose in the context of their own lives. That person may just be stating the amount to explain a point, or offer further history to their story. I have been labelled a sore loser, yet no one here knows what I do for a living, how much money I earn, or what my total loses are on a daily or weekly basis. All they know is the information I provide, and this may just be a small piece of what I have done.

To label someone a sore loser is to assume you know everything about that persons financial situation and the true worth of a dollar to them. I think sometimes people like to vent, and that's fine, but sometimes they may just be trying to make a point or refer to a greater issue beyond a dollar amount. People labelled me a sore loser because of 4 or 5 threads I wrote which referenced loses within my complaints. That's 4 or 5 loses they are aware of over the course of many months I have been a member here, yet I am a player who plays 4-5 times per week, and I can assure you they are not all winning sessions. People don't air complaints about casinos they just won at, hence most complaints will reference a loss or losing session.

If I was truly a sore loser who complained about all my loses, I can assure you this site would jam up and shut down if I were to post a thread complaining after each loss. Sometimes everyone should take a moment to look pass the stated monetary loses stated, and try to actually see what the real point someone may be trying to make. Yes I have vented about loses, yet I have never raised a complaint with a casino purely based on the fact I was upset at losing. If I don't feel I got my entertainments worth, received misleading information, experienced poor service or unplayable technical issues, then yes I'm going to complain. Losing is just the inevitable common occurrence that will always be present regardless of the true nature of the complaint. In my opinion it's ignorant to focus immediately on the players loses and automatically draw your conclusions based on just that one piece of what may be a 1,000 piece puzzle.

Promise I'll try to stop with the lengthy posts. :rolleyes:
 

Tirilej

Still a Lady
CAG
MM
Joined
Apr 18, 2009
Location
Sweden
Promise I'll try to stop with the lengthy posts. :rolleyes:

I once sent a message to VWM and begged him to make his posts a little shorter.
I really wanted to understand what he said, and was hoping that he would listen to little me:oops:
His advice to me was to just read the beginning and the end, because the things he said in between wasn't so important:D

Since we all are different in every other way so why not when it comes to how we write too?

If you want more then 10 people to read it all, then make your posts shorter.
If you want everyone to read it, then it should be entertaining too.
Maybe a little of everything will be perfect :p
 

whodatrec

Banned User - multiple accounts
Joined
Aug 19, 2012
Location
Norway
Well, a friend of mine had a streak like this on Betsafe. Losing and losing with bad sessions, but not nearly as much as i have on VS. They went on chat and got a 50 Euro free bonus. Not saying im after a comp. But as i said usually it levels out.. He turned the 50 into 500 and cashed out. Deposited again and won another 1000. Thats gambling! Upps and downs.. Not just lose,lose and lose. Its like flipping a coin and getting heads 30 times in a row. Altough theorethically possible its HIGHLY unlikely to happen....
 

spintee

Ueber Meister
webby
mm2
Joined
Mar 21, 2012
Location
Northants
Yep I had a good profit to start of with and went down hill from there, This month has been terrible, Worst month in years I think, Made couple of minor withdraws 1 of them was on a new bingo site I deposit 10 quid in and won 70 so a 60 profit, Other withdarws was smaller than that, About 500 - 600 quid down this month, not alot to some people but rather it be in my back pocket than casinos, I get um back 1 day :)
 

dunover

Unofficial T&C's Editor
Staff member
webmeister
PABnonaccred
PABnononaccred
CAG
mm3
Joined
May 22, 2012
Location
the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
I only award foil hats to irrational unfounded claims based on losing streaks as opposed to anything overtly dodgy going on. Many casinos will openly publish their RTP for each game, like 3dice, Bet-at and MG downloads. When you get multi-platform sites you tend to have a mixture of games that cannot have the maths model changed (like MG Quickfire) but may have some that can be offered with variations of the model according to requests from the casino to the games provider. This is academic as long as the TRTP is openly stated which means you can easily compare it with other sites.
What tends to trap players is when they lose they later become aware that the game/site they lost on has a lower RTP setting than another site they've just discovered, so kick-off the accusations and try and rally the torch-and-pitchfork mobs.
Whatever the RTP, if you've just lost 100 someone else will have just won 90 - I never see posts where people have signed-up, won a packet then stated 'the RTP must be too high at this site..'
 

Azzurri

Banned User
Joined
Feb 8, 2014
Location
From Foil Land
I only award foil hats to irrational unfounded claims based on losing streaks as opposed to anything overtly dodgy going on. Many casinos will openly publish their RTP for each game, like 3dice, Bet-at and MG downloads. When you get multi-platform sites you tend to have a mixture of games that cannot have the maths model changed (like MG Quickfire) but may have some that can be offered with variations of the model according to requests from the casino to the games provider. This is academic as long as the TRTP is openly stated which means you can easily compare it with other sites.
What tends to trap players is when they lose they later become aware that the game/site they lost on has a lower RTP setting than another site they've just discovered, so kick-off the accusations and try and rally the torch-and-pitchfork mobs.
Whatever the RTP, if you've just lost 100 someone else will have just won 90 - I never see posts where people have signed-up, won a packet then stated 'the RTP must be too high at this site..'

Would that make them a sore winner? ;)
 

whodatrec

Banned User - multiple accounts
Joined
Aug 19, 2012
Location
Norway
Yes offcourse but losing and losing everytime is also very unlikely.... But i guess MG games in general are just shit!! Immortal Romance should be banned what a joke of a game. Impossible to win and eats your bankroll before you can say what the f just happened.
 
Top