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[Finn]

To be fair i can see where Azzurri is coming from.. As it seams as soon as someone does not agree with something that the majority in here belive to be the fact, some of you can come of as rather sarcastic and condescending. Not sure as if its intended or not. But someone having a complaint against a casino is not always a sore loser or has a gambling problem.

Well, his profile says that he is maintenance worker, and considering that apparently Australian maintenance workers average like 50k AUD a year, 5k AUD losses in a single month at a single casino sound pretty high...

 

[maxd]

To be fair i can see where Azzurri is coming from.

Repeatedly attacking and belittling people in complete disregard for the Posting Rules and common decent behaviour is where he was coming from, at least insofar as getting the boot is concerned.

Being pissed off about gambling issues is one thing, decent people manage to post here on such topics every hour of every day. Not a problem.

Being a sharp stick in the eye of anyone who disagrees or offers criticism is another thing entirely. Not acceptable.

Needless to say the latter is what got him in trouble, it's not behaviour that any forum member should condone regardless of the so-called "excuse".

 

[Captain Chaos]

Well, his profile says that he is maintenance worker, and considering that apparently Australian maintenance workers average like 50k AUD a year, 5k losses in a single month at a single casino sound pretty high...

Really? Interesting... Of course it's possible he is talking utter crap about how much he's gambling. This is the internet after all...

 

[mrmark21]

Really? Interesting... Of course it's possible he is talking utter crap about how much he's gambling. This is the internet after all...

I agree with Captain Chaos maybe Azzurri has a gambling problem...

Azzurri's behaviour is very typical of a problem gambler. I mean I could be wrong, but Azzurri could most likely have a gambling addiction. Maybe that would explain his erratic behaviour along with his attitude. He appears to open and close accounts all the time, multiple complaints about losing (all the time), and he doesn't seem to be able to accept failure (which is something you need to be able to accept when gambling). I've also found some of his comments very hypocritical. I view gambling addictions as very negative. I think once his ban is lifted that maybe he should be put in the Quit Gambling section. However that's just my opinion (for what it's worth).

My intention was never to provoke Azzurri, I certainly was not expecting his reaction, I was actually quite taken back. CM is a place for members to share opinions, I found both Tirilej and Gagamel's responses as very relevant to this thread. However Azzurri's reaction was completely out of line (not to mention offensive) and I'm not going to sit back while other members are being yelled at and called names. I will never sit back and let that happen.

I really do, even after all his nasty remarks, genuinely wish him luck with his future endeavors, I also think that it's very important that he looks into getting some help

 

[dunover]

Now we are in danger of letting conjecture get in the way of reasoned debate when he isn't (through his actions) able to contradict it.

Nobody knows if he is a 'problem' gambler. Nobody knows how much cash he has - he may have had an inheritance paying a monthly income as well as choosing to work. The truth is we simply don't know. Yes, he's been a PITA but it is almost as bad seeing the vultures circling over his body, so-to-speak.

Now he's gone for 2 weeks I can't see the point of adding anything else to this tired and dead thread.

Just my two penn'orth.

 

[gagamel]

Now we are in danger of letting conjecture get in the way of reasoned debate when he isn't (through his actions) able to contradict it.

Nobody knows if he is a 'problem' gambler. Nobody knows how much cash he has - he may have had an inheritance paying a monthly income as well as choosing to work. The truth is we simply don't know. Yes, he's been a PITA but it is almost as bad seeing the vultures circling over his body, so-to-speak.

Now he's gone for 2 weeks I can't see the point of adding anything else to this tired and dead thread.

Just my two penn'orth.

I wrote the same at the same time

We will see in two weeks what will happen.

 

[Captain Chaos]

That's a fair point dunover. My post wasn't meant to imply he had a problem though with hindsight I can see how that could have been a conclusion from it. Maybe he has, maybe hasn't. Who knows? We only have what we see here. The only person who can truthfully answer that question is himself. Either way, it is wrong if me to speculate further. He isn't here to respond. So it's best left there. I hope the short break helps him though.

 

[Azzurri]

Just wanted to make this my first and last stop now I have returned from my break.

I'd like to start off by apologizing to gagamel for my inappropriate language and harsh words. I still am of the opinion that your first statement was off topic and unnecessarily offensive to me, however that gives me no right to react the way I did, and two wrongs don't make a right, therefore I should have expressed my disappointment at your comments in a more adult, and civil manner. To anyone who found my reaction offensive, I also apologize to you, and hopefully I can be forgiven.

To Max and Bryan, sorry for my overreaction, and not adhering to your directives when I should have. My intentions were not to purposely oppose or break your rules, rather defend my honor when things started to spiral downhill, and I felt I was being ganged up on. This isn't an excuse, but please know my stupid behavior was an instinctive reaction (a very poor one I admit), rather than a planned attempt to start a revolt against either of you. In my blind rage, my attempts to explain myself only dug myself a deeper hole, but hopefully you can forgive me, and accept that this is the honest truth from my point of view, and no malice was intended.

To Mark, we must agree to disagree, and I am happy to politely co-exist with you on this forum, however your comments, especially after I was banned, are too hurtful and malicious for me to comfortably offer you an apologetic hand, or forgiveness all the same. I'm not sure if you actually realize how potentially damaging your accusations of calling someone a gambling addict publicly may be, especially when you have no firm evidence; no idea about me personally, nor my financial situation; and most importantly, no knowledge of how many personal relationships I may share outside of this forum with other members here; but to do so, and label someone in the manner you did, with the malicious intent you exhibited, and when the person had no right of reply, says to me you knew exactly what you were aiming to achieve, even if in ignorance, and were unrepentant in doing so.

I can assure you I do not have a gambling addiction, nor am I maintenance worker earning $50,000 pa, however none of this information is anyone's business in truth, yet the evidence you based your accusations on, are as reliable as the evidence I have at my disposal if I was to randomly accuse you of being a drug addict. I'm sure you would think this to be a preposterous accusation on my part, and potentially damaging to your reputation, or standing within a community if your fellow neighbors were to read such a thing. My point is, a damaging label or accusation as serious as the one you so flippantly made, particularly when untrue, can still create unnecessary stress and unwarranted communications for the person targeted, and most damaging, it creates a permanent label the person must wear like a scarlet letter when in the company of those he knows and have been made aware of the accusations. So basically, do you honestly think, that I minor disagreement on a forum, regardless of how out of hand and petty it became, warrants such a personal and potentially damaging accusation as the one you, and some others made?

I am lucky that the persons I know who read your words, know me well enough to laugh off your accusations, however there were some that needed a gentle confirmation. Now I have to live in the knowledge that every time I see those people, can I be sure they don't still have their doubts, or think I have a secretive and destructive addiction. You have permanently marked me, and my crimes, regardless of how upset they made you, did not in any way warrant a left field attack and accusation with such damaging repercussions. Lucky for you I am a very strong person, and have good people around me, as a weaker soul could have done something very stupid, potentially even leaving your life forever scarred. Thankfully for me, the number of friends who saw your comments and contacted me were not so great as to be unbearable, however I can honestly say, that the mind fuck you served me, will now forever linger in my mind unnecessarily when I am in their company.

I don't know you personally, so I can only wish that you are not the malicious type, or make a habit of attacking people on such a dark and personal level. Yes my behavior towards gagamel was unacceptable, and I can easily be accountable and apologize for my stupidity. However, you often backed your attack on me with the assurance to others that your response was derived from an unwillingness to stand by and let someone attack your fellow members, and as commendable as that is, given the nature and timing of what I have taken to be a potentially very damaging accusation, I am unfortunately of the opinion that this claim of yours was a convenient cover for a calculated attack, and ultimate killer final blow.

I make no excuses for the hurtful things I said to gagamel, however they were stupid tongue in cheek school yard insults, and although I do not take away from the hurt they may have caused gagamel, it's highly unlikely anyone would have read my insults and honestly went away and formed an opinion that gagamel was a magic mushroom eating, loony stalker as I claimed. In the context of what this forum represents, and the seriousness of your insult, I think you neglected to realize just how many readers here may legitimately, and currently, be struggling with this addiction, and the pain it can cause on so many levels. I think your comments, and the reasons behind them, were not only damaging to me personally, but also disrespectful to those who may have read them and are currently going through the steps of recovery, or contemplating coming forward and admitting the problem exists. Your comments are hardly an encouraging pat on the back to those suffering from this addiction, rather I would think it would have acted as a deterrent, as your attempt to name and shame me as an addict based on a ridiculous and ludicrous thought process and imaginary locker of evidence, would clearly scare the daylights out of those contemplating reaching out here or seeking information, in fear they may be publicly outed prematurely, or spoken of with a flippant ignorance.

If you were really that concerned for my welfare, or convinced I may have an addiction, by your own admission, wouldn't your protective and helpful nature as you described, direct you to pm me personally to discuss such concerns, rather then state something so personal publicly? Surely if nothing else, seeing as the issue of addiction is well publicized via the awareness Casinomeister creates through this forum alone, you had to be aware of the sensitive nature of your accusations, and whether true or not, the extreme damage a public outing could do to someone who is really suffering from this illness.

I'm done Mark, and don't think this is aimed just at you, as I am aware of the others who so conveniently expressed these same views once I was unable to respond. Escalating a disagreement from stupid name calling as I regretfully did, to trying to permanently damage someones reputation via unfounded accusations, which were also irrelevant to any prior discussion, is a massive leap, and an extremely low blow. Yes I am guilty of my own foul mouth, and I am 100% accountable and sorry, however you took it that extra mile in my opinion, and while I hope even maybe deep down you (and the others) are slightly apologetic, the permanent psychological damage you have done to me through the emotional scars and ripples you planted in some of my personal relationships that can't now be reversed, leaves me forever damaged over a stupid forum discussion.

You clearly pulled out all the stops to win the argument, and obviously weren't too interested in thinking about how far you were willing to go to do so. Well, I guess now all I can do is congratulate you on your win, as I frantically wave my white mercy flag. As I said, I am happy to coexist and be courteous, however I hope you can at the very least take something from what I've said, and acknowledge how damaging those accusations can be, and ensure you don't do the same to anyone else in the future, as you can't ensure what someone's reaction may be should they actually be in the grip of such a damaging addiction.

And for the record, not sure how, what, or why you threw in an accusation of me having multiple accounts registered here, but that was also an unfounded false accusation based on no evidence, and I'm sure Bryan can look into this for you and confirm my declaration should this be of some importance to you, for what reasons I'm unsure. I have also reported the comments I found damaging, in keeping with the reporting trend that exists, and in truth, that I was unaware of before I was reported myself (lol). I'm doing so only to support my claims here, and please feel free to respond, however know from my end, this drama is now over, and I am looking forward to moving on and once again becoming an avid reader of the site, and looking at cool winner screenshots.

Once again, my deepest apologize to those I offended, and sorry if I missed anyone, but you can consider yourself included in my heartfelt apology.

Peace!

 

[spintee]

Welcome back Azzurri

 

[gagamel]

Just wanted to make this my first and last stop now I have returned from my break.

I'd like to start off by apologizing to gagamel for my inappropriate language and harsh words. I still am of the opinion that your first statement was off topic and unnecessarily offensive to me, however that gives me no right to react the way I did, and two wrongs don't make a right, therefore I should have expressed my disappointment at your comments in a more adult, and civil manner. To anyone who found my reaction offensive, I also apologize to you, and hopefully I can be forgiven.

To Max and Bryan, sorry for my overreaction, and not adhering to your directives when I should have. My intentions were not to purposely oppose or break your rules, rather defend my honor when things started to spiral downhill, and I felt I was being ganged up on. This isn't an excuse, but please know my stupid behavior was an instinctive reaction (a very poor one I admit), rather than a planned attempt to start a revolt against either of you. In my blind rage, my attempts to explain myself only dug myself a deeper hole, but hopefully you can forgive me, and accept that this is the honest truth from my point of view, and no malice was intended.

To Mark, we must agree to disagree, and I am happy to politely co-exist with you on this forum, however your comments, especially after I was banned, are too hurtful and malicious for me to comfortably offer you an apologetic hand, or forgiveness all the same. I'm not sure if you actually realize how potentially damaging your accusations of calling someone a gambling addict publicly may be, especially when you have no firm evidence; no idea about me personally, nor my financial situation; and most importantly, no knowledge of how many personal relationships I may share outside of this forum with other members here; but to do so, and label someone in the manner you did, with the malicious intent you exhibited, and when the person had no right of reply, says to me you knew exactly what you were aiming to achieve, even if in ignorance, and were unrepentant in doing so.

I can assure you I do not have a gambling addiction, nor am I maintenance worker earning $50,000 pa, however none of this information is anyone's business in truth, yet the evidence you based your accusations on, are as reliable as the evidence I have at my disposal if I was to randomly accuse you of being a drug addict. I'm sure you would think this to be a preposterous accusation on my part, and potentially damaging to your reputation, or standing within a community if your fellow neighbors were to read such a thing. My point is, a damaging label or accusation as serious as the one you so flippantly made, particularly when untrue, can still create unnecessary stress and unwarranted communications for the person targeted, and most damaging, it creates a permanent label the person must wear like a scarlet letter when in the company of those he knows and have been made aware of the accusations. So basically, do you honestly think, that I minor disagreement on a forum, regardless of how out of hand and petty it became, warrants such a personal and potentially damaging accusation as the one you, and some others made?

I am lucky that the persons I know who read your words, know me well enough to laugh off your accusations, however there were some that needed a gentle confirmation. Now I have to live in the knowledge that every time I see those people, can I be sure they don't still have their doubts, or think I have a secretive and destructive addiction. You have permanently marked me, and my crimes, regardless of how upset they made you, did not in any way warrant a left field attack and accusation with such damaging repercussions. Lucky for you I am a very strong person, and have good people around me, as a weaker soul could have done something very stupid, potentially even leaving your life forever scarred. Thankfully for me, the number of friends who saw your comments and contacted me were not so great as to be unbearable, however I can honestly say, that the mind fuck you served me, will now forever linger in my mind unnecessarily when I am in their company.

I don't know you personally, so I can only wish that you are not the malicious type, or make a habit of attacking people on such a dark and personal level. Yes my behavior towards gagamel was unacceptable, and I can easily be accountable and apologize for my stupidity. However, you often backed your attack on me with the assurance to others that your response was derived from an unwillingness to stand by and let someone attack your fellow members, and as commendable as that is, given the nature and timing of what I have taken to be a potentially very damaging accusation, I am unfortunately of the opinion that this claim of yours was a convenient cover for a calculated attack, and ultimate killer final blow.

I make no excuses for the hurtful things I said to gagamel, however they were stupid tongue in cheek school yard insults, and although I do not take away from the hurt they may have caused gagamel, it's highly unlikely anyone would have read my insults and honestly went away and formed an opinion that gagamel was a magic mushroom eating, loony stalker as I claimed. In the context of what this forum represents, and the seriousness of your insult, I think you neglected to realize just how many readers here may legitimately, and currently, be struggling with this addiction, and the pain it can cause on so many levels. I think your comments, and the reasons behind them, were not only damaging to me personally, but also disrespectful to those who may have read them and are currently going through the steps of recovery, or contemplating coming forward and admitting the problem exists. Your comments are hardly an encouraging pat on the back to those suffering from this addiction, rather I would think it would have acted as a deterrent, as your attempt to name and shame me as an addict based on a ridiculous and ludicrous thought process and imaginary locker of evidence, would clearly scare the daylights out of those contemplating reaching out here or seeking information, in fear they may be publicly outed prematurely, or spoken of with a flippant ignorance.

If you were really that concerned for my welfare, or convinced I may have an addiction, by your own admission, wouldn't your protective and helpful nature as you described, direct you to pm me personally to discuss such concerns, rather then state something so personal publicly? Surely if nothing else, seeing as the issue of addiction is well publicized via the awareness Casinomeister creates through this forum alone, you had to be aware of the sensitive nature of your accusations, and whether true or not, the extreme damage a public outing could do to someone who is really suffering from this illness.

I'm done Mark, and don't think this is aimed just at you, as I am aware of the others who so conveniently expressed these same views once I was unable to respond. Escalating a disagreement from stupid name calling as I regretfully did, to trying to permanently damage someones reputation via unfounded accusations, which were also irrelevant to any prior discussion, is a massive leap, and an extremely low blow. Yes I am guilty of my own foul mouth, and I am 100% accountable and sorry, however you took it that extra mile in my opinion, and while I hope even maybe deep down you (and the others) are slightly apologetic, the permanent psychological damage you have done to me through the emotional scars and ripples you planted in some of my personal relationships that can't now be reversed, leaves me forever damaged over a stupid forum discussion.

You clearly pulled out all the stops to win the argument, and obviously weren't too interested in thinking about how far you were willing to go to do so. Well, I guess now all I can do is congratulate you on your win, as I frantically wave my white mercy flag. As I said, I am happy to coexist and be courteous, however I hope you can at the very least take something from what I've said, and acknowledge how damaging those accusations can be, and ensure you don't do the same to anyone else in the future, as you can't ensure what someone's reaction may be should they actually be in the grip of such a damaging addiction.

And for the record, not sure how, what, or why you threw in an accusation of me having multiple accounts registered here, but that was also an unfounded false accusation based on no evidence, and I'm sure Bryan can look into this for you and confirm my declaration should this be of some importance to you, for what reasons I'm unsure. I have also reported the comments I found damaging, in keeping with the reporting trend that exists, and in truth, that I was unaware of before I was reported myself (lol). I'm doing so only to support my claims here, and please feel free to respond, however know from my end, this drama is now over, and I am looking forward to moving on and once again becoming an avid reader of the site, and looking at cool winner screenshots.

Once again, my deepest apologize to those I offended, and sorry if I missed anyone, but you can consider yourself included in my heartfelt apology.

Peace!

Hope that this is your last stop.

 

[Azzurri]

Hope that this is your last stop.

What do you mean? Do I not have the right of response after someone has falsely accused me of having a gambling addiction, or am I just suppose to ignore it and let anyone who reads it assume I have because two people say so based on nothing?

C'mon gagamel, I apologized to you. Now that I have returned am I never allowed to comment on anything again? Ease up.

 

[mrmark21]

Meh



P.s. CBF.

 

[maxd]

Hope that this is your last stop.

That kind of thing isn't necessary. I recommend everyone chill a bit.

Thank you for your cooperation.

 

[whodatrec]

Whole site is overrated IMO. I had my account closed, reopened today thinking this insane losing streak ive had there can not continue. Oh well lost another 250 Euros. Totalling around 1900 Euros in losses not one single cashout. Payouts on their games seam very,very poor compared to other casinos. I think never have lost like this before and never being in the position to cash out..

No playtime, just horrible for 1900 euros worth of play at low stakes... Just a total joke!

Reading around the internett seams alot of other people have simular experiences. Also just saw the thread with the guy who got his winnings confiscated.

Why would CM back such a site? Seams to be alot of complaints floating around...

 

[maxd]

Why would CM back such a site? Seams to be alot of complaints floating around...

To date it seems more like a lot of hearsay and grumbling floating around. No official complaints have been filed so as far as we know is just a few disgruntled players having a moan.

If you, or anyone else, has a real issue that needs attention then by all means send us your PAB, after reading the Pitch-A-Bitch FAQ first of course.

 

[aceking123]

Whole site is overrated IMO. I had my account closed, reopened today thinking this insane losing streak ive had there can not continue. Oh well lost another 250 Euros. Totalling around 1900 Euros in losses not one single cashout. Payouts on their games seam very,very poor compared to other casinos. I think never have lost like this before and never being in the position to cash out..

No playtime, just horrible for 1900 euros worth of play at low stakes... Just a total joke!

Reading around the internett seams alot of other people have simular experiences. Also just saw the thread with the guy who got his winnings confiscated.

Why would CM back such a site? Seams to be alot of complaints floating around...

i get the feeling you dont think things are right here , you not the only person to bring this up a fair few players have also stated its pretty poor , i shall hold back on my views.

azzuri i think you made a nice post but , maybe you could of said sorry guys i was a knob & defended yourself with far less words also were not at a school yard any longer so take things with a pitch of salt, we cant get on with everyone here ), welcome back anyway

 

[Finn]

Also just saw the thread with the guy who got his winnings confiscated.

You mean the guy who abused the affiliate system and tried to use it as some personal "cash back on steroids" system?

Then when he won, he was stupid enough to ask for the casino to pay the winnings made on his affiliate account to the bank account of his common law wife, the same bank account that he had used for deposits when dual accounting with the account registered in the name of his common law wife.

It's pretty obvious why his winnings were confiscated.

 

[dunover]

Hope that this is your last stop.

What do you mean by that?

 

[spintee]

You mean the guy who abused the affiliate system and tried to use it as some personal "cash back on steroids" system?

Then when he won, he was stupid enough to ask for the casino to pay the winnings made on his affiliate account to the bank account of his common law wife, the same bank account that he had used for deposits when dual accounting with the account registered in the name of his common law wife.

It's pretty obvious why his winnings were confiscated.

You got a link to that thread? Cheers

 

[Captain Chaos]

This is the thread being referred to:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/microgaming-premier-roulette.62222/?t=62222

He still managed to get £10k before being rumbled though.

 

[Finn]

You got a link to that thread? Cheers

Yeah

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/microgaming-premier-roulette.62222/?t=62222

In addition to the previously mentioned stupidity, he even drew a further scrutiny to himself by starting a thread about speculating how you could beat the house on Microgaming Premier roulette with some "strategy", the game in which he had won big.

 

[Azzurri]

Whole site is overrated IMO. I had my account closed, reopened today thinking this insane losing streak ive had there can not continue. Oh well lost another 250 Euros. Totalling around 1900 Euros in losses not one single cashout. Payouts on their games seam very,very poor compared to other casinos. I think never have lost like this before and never being in the position to cash out..

No playtime, just horrible for 1900 euros worth of play at low stakes... Just a total joke!

Reading around the internett seams alot of other people have simular experiences. Also just saw the thread with the guy who got his winnings confiscated.

Why would CM back such a site? Seams to be alot of complaints floating around...

Careful what you say there whodatrec . My overreaction aside, I was set upon and labelled a sore loser for much less, lol.

In all seriousness though, I agree with you, and had the exact same experience, albeit a little more in overall loses. I don't think VS is a dodgy operation by any stretch, but I have formed the opinion that they may have a lower RTP output compared to other casino's I frequent. I'm not sure if that constitutes a tin foil hat (dunover will let me know I'm sure, lol), as I haven't completed an in-depth mathematical analysis as some members here would prefer, however based on many hours of play, and immediate comparisons to other sites I play at the same time or straight after, I can only state what I have experienced and witnessed, and I guess this ultimately how we players pick and choose the casinos we wish to associate ourselves with.

Personally, VS is the first casino I decided to close my account with permanently, due to the continuing cycle I was experiencing. I decided that removing the temptation to play there permanently, allowed me to spend that money at other sites I have at least experienced a few wins at. That's not knocking VS, and I still wouldn't not recommend them to anyone, as they do a lot of things right, however this was my decision as ultimately you tend to follow your player's instinct at some point, and stick to where you've experienced more regular wins, even if you don't end up cashing out (as stupid as that sounds). Obviously there's evidence that players have cashed out winnings at VS, hence I don't think they are dodgy, however not all casinos work for all players, so we may be the minority, and lucky for us we ultimately can decide what we choose to do about it.

Just on that confiscation issue, it turned out the fella was in breach of his affiliate terms and responsibilities, therefore VS were within their rights to do so. A little different to our experience.

I couldn't help but just make a little reference to the fact that whodatrec's comments were met with nothing more than the utmost courteous and intelligent of responses, with not a 'sore loser' jibe in sight! This is bliss, isn't it?

 

[Captain Chaos]

I'm not sure how they can have a lower RTP output though? RTP is fixed through slot design and wins are determined by the RNG, none of which the casino has access to. Any amendment to these would be reflected on every site using the software.

If a casino did have access then they would probably find themselves on the rogue list quicker than you can say it!

 

[brianmon]

I'm not sure how they can have a lower RTP output though? RTP is fixed through slot design and wins are determined by the RNG, none of which the casino has access to. Any amendment to these would be reflected on every site using the software.

If a casino did have access then they would probably find themselves on the rogue list quicker than you can say it!

There are some software companies who offer slots with a range of TRTP. But I don't think many of them advertise the fact.

IGT offer several 'maths models' (as they put it). That's why the TRTP stated on their paytables is a range of percentges, rather than just one figure. and WMS obviously supplied JPP with lower TRTP slots, to take into account their 'site jackpots'

The problem is, knowing which casinos have which versions. there's no obvious way of telling

 

[Tirilej]

Careful what you say there whodatrec . My overreaction aside, I was set upon and labelled a sore loser for much less, lol.

In all seriousness though, I agree with you, and had the exact same experience, albeit a little more in overall loses. I don't think VS is a dodgy operation by any stretch, but I have formed the opinion that they may have a lower RTP output compared to other casino's I frequent. I'm not sure if that constitutes a tin foil hat (dunover will let me know I'm sure, lol), as I haven't completed an in-depth mathematical analysis as some members here would prefer, however based on many hours of play, and immediate comparisons to other sites I play at the same time or straight after, I can only state what I have experienced and witnessed, and I guess this ultimately how we players pick and choose the casinos we wish to associate ourselves with.

Personally, VS is the first casino I decided to close my account with permanently, due to the continuing cycle I was experiencing. I decided that removing the temptation to play there permanently, allowed me to spend that money at other sites I have at least experienced a few wins at. That's not knocking VS, and I still wouldn't not recommend them to anyone, as they do a lot of things right, however this was my decision as ultimately you tend to follow your player's instinct at some point, and stick to where you've experienced more regular wins, even if you don't end up cashing out (as stupid as that sounds). Obviously there's evidence that players have cashed out winnings at VS, hence I don't think they are dodgy, however not all casinos work for all players, so we may be the minority, and lucky for us we ultimately can decide what we choose to do about it.

Just on that confiscation issue, it turned out the fella was in breach of his affiliate terms and responsibilities, therefore VS were within their rights to do so. A little different to our experience.

I couldn't help but just make a little reference to the fact that whodatrec's comments were met with nothing more than the utmost courteous and intelligent of responses, with not a 'sore loser' jibe in sight! This is bliss, isn't it?

Actually I liked this post of yours. Not a book to read, no whining but well thought out.
Keep that up and I promise to be nice

Regarding Whodatrec I think he is collecting hats already. I respect his never ending thoughts about non randomness