Videoslots affiliate program now "predatory" at AGD

[Dan.Videoslots]

Thats not what it says at all.

If I send you 20 new players, it clearly says number of new players 11-20 CPA payment per player €100

Where does it state but you only get 50 for the first 5, 75 for numbers 6-10 then 100 from 11-20?

Hi colinsunderland,

We have written an example on our affiliate page.




Br,

Daniel

 

[colinsunderland]

Number of new players per calendar month:

If I send you 10 players then I fall in the 6-10 bracket

CPA payment for each money player: € 75

I would expect to be paid for EACH player at €75, as you state.

You need to work on your wording if you actually mean for the first 5 you get 50, regardless of how many players you send, as thats not how it reads at all.

 

[Dan.Videoslots]

Thats not what it says at all.

If I send you 20 new players, it clearly says number of new players 11-20 CPA payment per player €100

Where does it state but you only get 50 for the first 5, 75 for numbers 6-10 then 100 from 11-20?

Hi Colinsunderland,


Its written: "As you can see on the table below, sending 10 players during one full month will make you a profit of €625."


Br,

Daniel

 

[colinsunderland]

Hi Colinsunderland,


Its written: "As you can see on the table below, sending 10 players during one full month will make you a profit of €625."


Br,

Daniel

If I send you 10 players in a month then I fall into the 6-10 bracket, yes?
It says 'CPA payment for each money player: €75'
It doesn't say 'CPA payment for some of the money players: €75'

How about if I send you 20 players, falling into the 11-20 players, would I then get €2000, as thats €100 each and it doesn't say anywhere any different.

Your wording is confusing and incorrect, thats all I'm pointing out, even interlog who has defended you on here agrees with that. It would take 5 minutes to correct it, but then I suppose less affiliates would sign up. If you weren't trying to confuse people you would be happy to have an error pointed out and correct it.

 

[dunover]

If I send you 10 players in a month then I fall into the 6-10 bracket, yes?
It says 'CPA payment for each money player: €75'
It doesn't say 'CPA payment for some of the money players: €75'

How about if I send you 20 players, falling into the 11-20 players, would I then get €2000, as thats €100 each and it doesn't say anywhere any different.

Your wording is confusing and incorrect, thats all I'm pointing out, even interlog who has defended you on here agrees with that. It would take 5 minutes to correct it, but then I suppose less affiliates would sign up. If you weren't trying to confuse people you would be happy to have an error pointed out and correct it.

I have just checked out the VS affiliate terms so ignore my question about how to change to CPA. You simply select the revenue plan you want when creating banners or links..

As for this argument, Interlog is Dutch as we know so may not be definitive on the English used in his reading of it. You say it reads one way, I have to be honest here and say that it read to me, (just as the rev share terms do) as different amounts for different bands of players, i.e. one value for the first 5, then a higher value for 6-10 and so-on. Pretty much how tax bands work here in the UK isn't it? Pay 20% for 11-34,000 then 40% for 34001+ but just because you exceed 34k doesn't mean the 11-34k now becomes 40% !!

If you think about it, it would be stupid as affies having 9 players would be breaking all sorts of rules to get the tenth IF as you read it that would mean the first 5 also becoming a higher rate thus effectively getting paid a silly amount for that tenth player.

The rev share and CPA figures do read to me as separately scaled figures for certain bands/quantities.

 

[colinsunderland]

I have just checked out the VS affiliate terms so ignore my question about how to change to CPA. You simply select the revenue plan you want when creating banners or links..

As for this argument, Interlog is Dutch as we know so may not be definitive on the English used in his reading of it. You say it reads one way, I have to be honest here and say that it read to me, (just as the rev share terms do) as different amounts for different bands of players, i.e. one value for the first 5, then a higher value for 6-10 and so-on. Pretty much how tax bands work here in the UK isn't it? Pay 20% for 11-34,000 then 40% for 34001+ but just because you exceed 34k doesn't mean the 11-34k now becomes 40% !!

If you think about it, it would be stupid as affies having 9 players would be breaking all sorts of rules to get the tenth IF as you read it that would mean the first 5 also becoming a higher rate thus effectively getting paid a silly amount for that tenth player.

The rev share and CPA figures do read to me as separately scaled figures for certain bands/quantities.

To be fair though, you can look at it as if affiliates needed one or two more players to get to the next band, they would promote them more. For example, if I had 5 players a few days before the end of month, and one more would get me an extra 200 euro I can say 100% I would move them to the top of the page for the rest of that month. Nothing dodgy about that, just an incentive to get those extra player(s) needed to get the extra payment.

You are reading rev share as the same, which is fair enough as it is written the same, but surely that can't be right? Not withstanding the fact you have no idea what each player's percentage is at the moment, it would mean you could have 200 active players, and as an example, numbers 7 22 23 24 31 37 49 would be on 25%, 12 27 28 29 35 72 78 79 could be 30%, and so on, and that would obviously be ongoing.

I don't see anything next to my players to say what percentage they are on, just Default - Revenue Share ( Revenue ) which could be anywhere from 25% - 45%

Perhaps Dan could confirm if the rev share is worked out the same, and if the 45% (as an example) is carried on for the life of the player, even if you only got say 1 NDP the next couple of months.

Most aff scheme I know of increase the commission for all players once you hit a target, Sky for example, 5% unless you hit 6+ NDP in a month, then it goes up to 25%, on all players, not just the ones from 6+. Admittedly I don't do CPA as a rule so can't really comment on that side of it, but if the way you read it is how its normally done, then my apologies to Dan, but i still think the wording could be better.

I read it as 'if' you hit a target we will reward you with higher payments. If I go for stock and its priced up at say £1 each for 50+, 90p for 100+, 80p for 250+, if I buy 250 I don't pay £1 for the first 50, 90p for the next 50 etc, I pay 80p for the full 250.

 

[dunover]

To be fair though, you can look at it as if affiliates needed one or two more players to get to the next band, they would promote them more. For example, if I had 5 players a few days before the end of month, and one more would get me an extra 200 euro I can say 100% I would move them to the top of the page for the rest of that month. Nothing dodgy about that, just an incentive to get those extra player(s) needed to get the extra payment.

You are reading rev share as the same, which is fair enough as it is written the same, but surely that can't be right? Not withstanding the fact you have no idea what each player's percentage is at the moment, it would mean you could have 200 active players, and as an example, numbers 7 22 23 24 31 37 49 would be on 25%, 12 27 28 29 35 72 78 79 could be 30%, and so on, and that would obviously be ongoing.

I don't see anything next to my players to say what percentage they are on, just Default - Revenue Share ( Revenue ) which could be anywhere from 25% - 45%

Perhaps Dan could confirm if the rev share is worked out the same, and if the 45% (as an example) is carried on for the life of the player, even if you only got say 1 NDP the next couple of months.

Most aff scheme I know of increase the commission for all players once you hit a target, Sky for example, 5% unless you hit 6+ NDP in a month, then it goes up to 25%, on all players, not just the ones from 6+. Admittedly I don't do CPA as a rule so can't really comment on that side of it, but if the way you read it is how its normally done, then my apologies to Dan, but i still think the wording could be better.

I read it as 'if' you hit a target we will reward you with higher payments. If I go for stock and its priced up at say £1 each for 50+, 90p for 100+, 80p for 250+, if I buy 250 I don't pay £1 for the first 50, 90p for the next 50 etc, I pay 80p for the full 250.

That is a good point though.

 

[Dan.Videoslots]

Hi Colinsunderland,

Our Revenue Share program works differently compared to our CPA. You get the percentage you reach for the specific month on all your players that has been active that month regardless of when they signed up. I do agree that this could be explained better on the partner page and I have forward the feedback to the affiliate department.

Regarding the reporting, we are making a new breakdown report that will include everything you need to see your exact earnings. Will be available in May or June.

Thank you for giving us all this great feedback. We understand that our affiliate program is not the best today, but with all this great feedback we will definitely have the information on how to become better!

Br,

Daniel

 

[colinsunderland]

Hi Colinsunderland,

Our Revenue Share program works differently compared to our CPA. You get the percentage you reach for the specific month on all your players that has been active that month regardless of when they signed up. I do agree that this could be explained better on the partner page and I have forward the feedback to the affiliate department.

Regarding the reporting, we are making a new breakdown report that will include everything you need to see your exact earnings. Will be available in May or June.

Thank you for giving us all this great feedback. We understand that our affiliate program is not the best today, but with all this great feedback we will definitely have the information on how to become better!

Br,

Daniel

So even though the tables are presented in the exact same way, they actually mean different things. I'm sorry but I still say the way it is written is clear as mud. Its clear from this thread affiliates are confused by it.

 

[Dan.Videoslots]

So even though the tables are presented in the exact same way, they actually mean different things. I'm sorry but I still say the way it is written is clear as mud. Its clear from this thread affiliates are confused by it.

Hi colinsunderland,

As I mentioned in my post, I agree with you that the Revenue share program can be explained better. The affiliate team already made an update regarding that to the site.

Br,

Daniel

 

[KasinoKing]

Just a little update on the situation at AGD - Videoslots has today been moved from Rogue to Predatory.
The moderators there (including myself) decided calling them rogue over this was a little too harsh.

If the promised changes to the reporting system (including the full transparency affiliates are asking for) are forthcoming, I have no doubt they will be moved back to the "Certified" section.

KK

 

[interlog]

Maybe the topic title can be amended because they are no longer in the rogue section of AGD.

 

[interlog]

Just a little update on the situation at AGD - Videoslots has today been moved from Rogue to Predatory.
The moderators there (including myself) decided calling them rogue over this was a little too harsh.

If the promised changes to the reporting system (including the full transparency affiliates are asking for) are forthcoming, I have no doubt they will be moved back to the "Certified" section.

KK

Yes, calling it rogue was indeed a little harsh in my opinion, as I voiced throughout this topic.

The programme can be so much better, but rogue it isn't unless something is proven.

 

[bonustreak]

Hi all, as KK has mentioned we have changed the rogue status to predatory at AGD. We are working really close with the team over at VD to make positive changes that are affiliate friendly.
As Miles has stated before none of the stats not showing were intentional and they are doing their best to rectify this situation. I think the thread title was already changed if not please post a link so I can go edit it.

Cheers!

 

[dunover]

Has anyone received their Videoslots affy payment in respect of May yet?

 

[Dan.Videoslots]

Has anyone received their Videoslots affy payment in respect of May yet?

Hi dunover,

Could you please provide me with you username and I can check that for you.

Br,

Daniel

 

[dunover]

Has anyone received their Videoslots affy payment in respect of May yet?

All the affies on here and no reply? Either they haven't earned anything or haven't got theirs either?

help. someone. please.

 

[Dan.Videoslots]

Hello Dunover.

I believe it should have been sorted, but I need to verify it. I will send you a message as soon as I received confirmation tomorrow.

Best regards,
Daniel.

 

[dunover]

Hello Dunover.

I believe it should have been sorted, but I need to verify it. I will send you a message as soon as I received confirmation tomorrow.

Best regards,
Daniel.

Thanks, I'm not really bothered by the piddling bit I'm owed, more interested in what's gone wrong and why. Also why 25 quid seems to have disappeared from what was outstanding from the period up to 31 May and due to be processed and paid this month?

Thanks for helping, anyway.

 

[KasinoKing]

All the affies on here and no reply? Either they haven't earned anything or haven't got theirs either?
help. someone. please.

a) Didn't see this thread until Friday morning (i.e. now)
b) My May figure was negative - so nothing due.
WHY my May figure was negative is anyone's guess, as with their terrible reporting system I haven't got a clue what is going on...

KK

 

[Dan.Videoslots]

Hi KasinoKing,

I have sent you a PM.

Br,
Daniel.

 

[dunover]

I've just received a e-mail saying my payment has been processed, but why nearly 25 quid has been skimmed off of the amount that was showing for a week after the close of May's commission period I have no idea.

KK is right, it's impossible to fathom the workings of the VS affy programme.

 

[Dan.Videoslots]

Hi dunover,

We are still looking into this and I will contact you via PM when I have received more information.

Br,
Daniel.

 

[PokCas]

Just a little update on the situation at AGD - Videoslots has today been moved from Rogue to Predatory.
The moderators there (including myself) decided calling them rogue over this was a little too harsh.

If the promised changes to the reporting system (including the full transparency affiliates are asking for) are forthcoming, I have no doubt they will be moved back to the "Certified" section.

KK

Hi, affiliates are still being shaved (you receive 12% or less with a 45% deal). They also won't pay you at all unless you invite quite a few players. Then will pay you for a few months and stop again. This is crazy since it is happening even for affiliates who have thousands in their balance.

 

[KasinoKing]

Hi, affiliates are still being shaved (you receive 12% or less with a 45% deal). They also won't pay you at all unless you invite quite a few players. Then will pay you for a few months and stop again. This is crazy since it is happening even for affiliates who have thousands in their balance.

Yes, this is exactly the situation I am now in.
I worked very hard for years to send them as many players as I could for my supposed "lifetime deal" - and they got WAY more referrals than any other UK facing casino that I listed.
However, times and the market have changed dramatically in the last 5 years and I struggle to get any new players anywhere these days.
But I still have a lot of active players at VS, depositing £10-20K per month (a bit less these days) and for that I now get £0 instead of £500-£600 because I just can't send new players
It really sucks.

KK