Videoslots - 75% RTP - Support thinks this is 'pretty good' what do you guys think?

[trancemonkey]

True, but you have to understand, lets say you betting 50p and you deposit £25 now 25 is alot 0f cash to some people why others do that on 1 spin.

you have got a least 50 spins and if your lucks out and rtp is 40% than you will get another 20 spins, How long do you think them 70 spins are going to last? just a few minutes

Years ago for £5 - £10 you used to get hours of play so something has changed

What slots providers are doing is like what she said before that each machine is like a jackpot machines as you either hit big or bust very quick, Unless of course money is no object along with the time. You can probably carry on all day and get a few good hits, but people do not have the time or money.

I am sure if we got a good play than we would not mind and even if you do get a god hit than whats that a few 100x at best

Yup... Your playing habits. There are still games that cost 10p a go or 20p. There are still low volatility games. But your habits change over time... LockInLove has posted stats from nearly ALL high volatility games. So she has, by choice, played games where she is likely to do badly for long periods of time with one big win every now and then.

If she had played low volatility games her money would have probably lasted longer and her RTP been less volatile.

I've seen studies on player behaviours and nearly all of them showed player bahaviour changes over time. When you look at the data it's a fact most people bet higher and tend to play higher volatility games the longer they have been playing - they need a bigger rush to keep the excitement level. When asked they said they hadn't changed... But actually data showed they had.

 

[goatwack]

Yup... Your playing habits. There are still games that cost 10p a go or 20p. There are still low volatility games. But your habits change over time... LockInLove has posted stats from nearly ALL high volatility games. So she has, by choice, played games where she is likely to do badly for long periods of time with one big win every now and then.

If she had played low volatility games her money would have probably lasted longer and her RTP been less volatile.

I've seen studies on player behaviours and nearly all of them showed player bahaviour changes over time. When you look at the data it's a fact most people bet higher and tend to play higher volatility games the longer they have been playing - they need a bigger rush to keep the excitement level. When asked they said they hadn't changed... But actually data showed they had.

I'd agree a little with that. I fluctuate my bets like a yoyo wheras 'back in the day' I'd stick to one size religiously. Hence, less playtime

I don't think a tenner would ever really last several hours unless extremely lucky early on, or playing the once-cosy, put your feet up DOA, back when it ran really slowly!

 

[geordiecolin]

I too remember the days

 

[lockinlove]

Yup... Your playing habits. There are still games that cost 10p a go or 20p. There are still low volatility games. But your habits change over time... LockInLove has posted stats from nearly ALL high volatility games. So she has, by choice, played games where she is likely to do badly for long periods of time with one big win every now and then.

If she had played low volatility games her money would have probably lasted longer and her RTP been less volatile.

I've seen studies on player behaviours and nearly all of them showed player bahaviour changes over time. When you look at the data it's a fact most people bet higher and tend to play higher volatility games the longer they have been playing - they need a bigger rush to keep the excitement level. When asked they said they hadn't changed... But actually data showed they had.

I expect it with high variance slots. But I expect it to hover somewhere around level after a large sample size...sometimes...

412,000 spins on bonanza is 88% rtp I believe..or 86 ..I forget...but thats off the top of my head without looking into but either or.

Book of dead 82% over 5k spins tracked on slottracker and over 43,000 spins its 86.4%

Dragon born 90.1% over 109,000 spins


I find it horseshit that it is ALWAYS low and never above. or close. And then I hear with every single person who posts stats. Sample size sample size. Well if it was sample size some should be in the green

And yes these pile of crap slots showing up on videoslots SUCK. Why even make them? They are bloody terrible.

Im pretty pissed off right now so no sense discussing it til I win a few times again

 

[trancemonkey]

I expect it with high variance slots. But I expect it to hover somewhere around level after a large sample size...sometimes...

412,000 spins on bonanza is 88% rtp I believe..or 86 ..I forget...but thats off the top of my head without looking into but either or.

Book of dead 82% over 5k spins tracked on slottracker and over 43,000 spins its 86.4%

Dragon born 90.1% over 109,000 spins


I find it horseshit that it is ALWAYS low and never above. or close. And then I hear with every single person who posts stats. Sample size sample size. Well if it was sample size some should be in the green

And yes these pile of crap slots showing up on videoslots SUCK. Why even make them? They are bloody terrible.

Im pretty pissed off right now so no sense discussing it til I win a few times again

But of course they always sit under... Big wins ( required to hit the RTP ) are rare. On the games like BOTD and DB there are some monster wins in there. A 1,000x win every 100,000 games accounts for a full 1% of the RTP... And there will be wins over 100x and less than that happening too. Wins over, say 250x may well account for over 5% of the total RTP and yet will happen rarely. So yes, statistically a game will nearly always trend under and then go up towards RTP over time. That's statistics. Some will be over but far more will be under. And the more games you play the more likely you are to be under as it settlea and then works it's way up to RTP

Sometimes I think us gamblers can have too much info. Because knowing all this stuff actually makes you angry and despondent whereas not knowing would probably have allowed you to carry on enjoying things (and sometimes maybe not!)

 

[Harry_BKK]

Hey LockInLove

Whilst i totally understand your frustration, you can't base you decision on games where you have had 135 spins - you are just as likely to be at 40% as you are 150%. SlotTracker is great in showing you your spend, but using it as a guide to base a decision on "the industry" in the way you have is unjust. What RTP do you expect after 135 spins?

Also, you should really base any gambling on the RTP - you should base it on whether you were entertained. What we make is entertainment...

I am sure that I can hear someone typing furiously right now

I am with trancemonkey on this one. Ever since slashing my gaming budget to a mere few hundred dollars a month, maximum $1K, I stopped recording my sessions, stopped taking notes, stopped chasing that BIG win and can't be bothered if I cash out or not as long as I get some play time and have my entertainment.

And guess what? I am no longer frustrated when RTP is low, I enjoy the gaming sessions a lot more, change slots sometimes after just 20-30 spins if I don't feel good, stopped chasing losses..... in essence I get my entertainment and that's it. Sure I do have some poorer sessions, but that is to be expected.

My 32RED challenge and failure were the best example, in the past I would have pumped in money until I would have made it to the required 90x bet win, no matter how many hundreds it would have cost me. I stopped after two deposits, totaling $150 but I did have fun trying.

At the end of the day, we are all doomed to lose on slots.

 

[bebo67]

But of course they always sit under... Big wins ( required to hit the RTP ) are rare. On the games like BOTD and DB there are some monster wins in there. A 1,000x win every 100,000 games accounts for a full 1% of the RTP... And there will be wins over 100x and less than that happening too. Wins over, say 250x may well account for over 5% of the total RTP and yet will happen rarely. So yes, statistically a game will nearly always trend under and then go up towards RTP over time. That's statistics. Some will be over but far more will be under. And the more games you play the more likely you are to be under as it settlea and then works it's way up to RTP

Sometimes I think us gamblers can have too much info. Because knowing all this stuff actually makes you angry and despondent whereas not knowing would probably have allowed you to carry on enjoying things (and sometimes maybe not!)

Yeah. I like the ignorance is bliss.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Who says you can't win at VS? $150 in, 1,000 spins on Bonanza @ $1.00 - $2.00, ended at $200.

Then DOA and on the last $40 a WL on pay line 1 with only 2 extra spins to go, but still a nice pay. Pressed the screenie button too late

RTP??? 400%, 500%, don't really know as I don't make notes anymore.

 

[Tirilej]

I am with trancemonkey on this one. Ever since slashing my gaming budget to a mere few hundred dollars a month, maximum $1K, I stopped recording my sessions, stopped taking notes, stopped chasing that BIG win and can't be bothered if I cash out or not as long as I get some play time and have my entertainment.

And guess what? I am no longer frustrated when RTP is low, I enjoy the gaming sessions a lot more, change slots sometimes after just 20-30 spins if I don't feel good, stopped chasing losses..... in essence I get my entertainment and that's it. Sure I do have some poorer sessions, but that is to be expected.

My 32RED challenge and failure were the best example, in the past I would have pumped in money until I would have made it to the required 90x bet win, no matter how many hundreds it would have cost me. I stopped after two deposits, totaling $150 but I did have fun trying.

At the end of the day, we are all doomed to lose on slots.

Wow, this post just made me happy
You who have constantly tried to explain every single session and spin, the thought of predicting or explaining all that goes on....you're not doing it anymore?
You have always been one of the good guys. Now you're one of the smart ones too

 

[ergosum]

Hi guys,

Firstly, thank you all for taking the time to comment on my post.
Dan was firstly kind enough to reach out to me, I gave him my username, and he also got back to me very quickly with the following response:

"Thanks for forwarding me this information. I have checked your account and I have found that your RTP was 75% like the customer support agent had told you.

I also noticed that although I did the check for the last 6 months it was only calculated on 4 months as Jan Feb and March did not have any bets and wins.

We are sorry for how the CS agent dealt with you, and we have addressed this to make sure it won't happen again.

Br,

Daniel"

I know some of you posted to surmise that maybe the CS had calculated this incorrectly.

For some of those who commented and called this a 'moaning' post - your damn right it is, moaning out of frustration, I fully accept that when I hit the deposit button I should be prepared to lose the money, thats a given, but there is also that chance that a big win might happen, the excitement of it, and then 10 minutes later £50 is gone, I contacted support around 6 months ago after a long length of this process, the CS back then agreed my rtp was terrible, so I figured all things being equal I must be due a decent win, fast forward 6 months and not a single one was forthcoming, I would have sessions where I would spend £400 in a week just at videoslots, hoping to get some return, it never came. A couple of years ago you could have a decent amount of entertainment from the slots, some small wins to keep your balance going, and sometimes a decent big win would come, but like others have said, something HAS changed, and for all the fanboys out there who dismiss this as rubbish because they do ok, great for you, for every one of you who does great there are probably 10, 20 , 100 who aren't, I thought this was a forum where experiences are to be shared, everyone congratulates when you have had a big win, but don't dare criticise or some people will fire you down for being a 'moaner'.

I really need to reign in my gambling, its got to the point where it really is no fun anymore, entertainment value is zero.

I'll finish on the same note as I started, I wish you well in your play, and thank you again for your comments .

 

[trancemonkey]

Hi guys,

Firstly, thank you all for taking the time to comment on my post.
Dan was firstly kind enough to reach out to me, I gave him my username, and he also got back to me very quickly with the following response:

"Thanks for forwarding me this information. I have checked your account and I have found that your RTP was 75% like the customer support agent had told you.

I also noticed that although I did the check for the last 6 months it was only calculated on 4 months as Jan Feb and March did not have any bets and wins.

We are sorry for how the CS agent dealt with you, and we have addressed this to make sure it won't happen again.

Br,

Daniel"

I know some of you posted to surmise that maybe the CS had calculated this incorrectly.

For some of those who commented and called this a 'moaning' post - your damn right it is, moaning out of frustration, I fully accept that when I hit the deposit button I should be prepared to lose the money, thats a given, but there is also that chance that a big win might happen, the excitement of it, and then 10 minutes later £50 is gone, I contacted support around 6 months ago after a long length of this process, the CS back then agreed my rtp was terrible, so I figured all things being equal I must be due a decent win, fast forward 6 months and not a single one was forthcoming, I would have sessions where I would spend £400 in a week just at videoslots, hoping to get some return, it never came. A couple of years ago you could have a decent amount of entertainment from the slots, some small wins to keep your balance going, and sometimes a decent big win would come, but like others have said, something HAS changed, and for all the fanboys out there who dismiss this as rubbish because they do ok, great for you, for every one of you who does great there are probably 10, 20 , 100 who aren't, I thought this was a forum where experiences are to be shared, everyone congratulates when you have had a big win, but don't dare criticise or some people will fire you down for being a 'moaner'.

I really need to reign in my gambling, its got to the point where it really is no fun anymore, entertainment value is zero.

I'll finish on the same note as I started, I wish you well in your play, and thank you again for your comments .

I try not to call people moaners for sharing bad experiences - i've had my fair share, i can tell you. This is why i try (and maybe sometimes fail) to be a voice of reason.

Over the last 10 years, the RTP's haven't changed much, if at all. They haven't really gone down.
There are games around that are volatile and not volatile. This also hasn't changed.
There is now a LOT more choice of games, casinos, game providers, etc... This certainly has changed, and finding games that are to your taste is a lot harder - and the casinos don't really help here.

You can only judge your gambling on your own experience - if you think something has changed, it's probably a combination of your play style and some other factors, but we certainly wouldn't want to ruin your experience to put you off - that's VERY bad for business. So, no i don't think it's a moan over and above what you should rightly be allowed to say and do - for the reasons you give.

I hope you start to enjoy gambling again if you do it - i find it have got a lot of enjoyment betting on £1 acca's on Wimbledon. I've still lost, but it's a much slower and better way to lose 10 quid over a week!

 

[rena35]

I too stopped depositing daily and have stopped hoping for a decent win. I play a few bucks now and try to enjoy my session. I also stopped thinking about the last 3 or 4 month dry spells. It makes for better gaming and no head ache watching deposit after deposit go down the drain with not one decent line win.

 

[petro]

you can't base you decision on games where you have had 135 spins -

This argument pops up a lot and I think you can base a decision on limited information.
After all, limited information is better than no information.

Also, you should really base any gambling on the RTP - you should base it on whether you were entertained. What we make is entertainment...

I agree with this, usually (but not always) having fun is the goal when you are playing games with a house edge.
But, I think you can equate RTP to entertainment also. Higher RTP increases the chances of winning, and who doesn't have fun when they win.

 

[Deeplay]

I expect it with high variance slots. But I expect it to hover somewhere around level after a large sample size...sometimes...

412,000 spins on bonanza is 88% rtp I believe..or 86 ..I forget...but thats off the top of my head without looking into but either or.

Book of dead 82% over 5k spins tracked on slottracker and over 43,000 spins its 86.4%

Dragon born 90.1% over 109,000 spins


I find it horseshit that it is ALWAYS low and never above. or close. And then I hear with every single person who posts stats. Sample size sample size. Well if it was sample size some should be in the green

And yes these pile of crap slots showing up on videoslots SUCK. Why even make them? They are bloody terrible.

Im pretty pissed off right now so no sense discussing it til I win a few times again

You tell em!! Say it as it is

 

[geordiecolin]

Hi guys,

Firstly, thank you all for taking the time to comment on my post.
Dan was firstly kind enough to reach out to me, I gave him my username, and he also got back to me very quickly with the following response:

"Thanks for forwarding me this information. I have checked your account and I have found that your RTP was 75% like the customer support agent had told you.

I also noticed that although I did the check for the last 6 months it was only calculated on 4 months as Jan Feb and March did not have any bets and wins.

We are sorry for how the CS agent dealt with you, and we have addressed this to make sure it won't happen again.

Br,

Daniel"

I know some of you posted to surmise that maybe the CS had calculated this incorrectly.

For some of those who commented and called this a 'moaning' post - your damn right it is, moaning out of frustration, I fully accept that when I hit the deposit button I should be prepared to lose the money, thats a given, but there is also that chance that a big win might happen, the excitement of it, and then 10 minutes later £50 is gone, I contacted support around 6 months ago after a long length of this process, the CS back then agreed my rtp was terrible, so I figured all things being equal I must be due a decent win, fast forward 6 months and not a single one was forthcoming, I would have sessions where I would spend £400 in a week just at videoslots, hoping to get some return, it never came. A couple of years ago you could have a decent amount of entertainment from the slots, some small wins to keep your balance going, and sometimes a decent big win would come, but like others have said, something HAS changed, and for all the fanboys out there who dismiss this as rubbish because they do ok, great for you, for every one of you who does great there are probably 10, 20 , 100 who aren't, I thought this was a forum where experiences are to be shared, everyone congratulates when you have had a big win, but don't dare criticise or some people will fire you down for being a 'moaner'.

I really need to reign in my gambling, its got to the point where it really is no fun anymore, entertainment value is zero.

I'll finish on the same note as I started, I wish you well in your play, and thank you again for your comments .

No need to be so sensitive about the words "moaning thread". I would defend your right to moan. My comment about it being a moaning thread was purely to point out that a thread dedicated to complaining about something is naturally going to attract more posts from like minded folk than those who are happy with their lot.

 

[Kelly Jo]

No need to be so sensitive about the words "moaning thread". I would defend your right to moan. My comment about it being a moaning thread was purely to point out that a thread dedicated to complaining about something is naturally going to attract more posts from like minded folk than those who are happy with their lot.

Like minded would be 5 witchie witches getting together to witch.

Empathetic? Individuals that can relate due to similar circumstances? Yes!
That is exactly the kind of folks I'm looking for regardless of whether I'm moaning or squiggy.

Wait........ Regardless of whether I'm bitchy or glowie.

75% RTP is #!%&#@$|"_*$#@%!