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Very Strange Win

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by 4 of a kind, Jan 9, 2010.

    Jan 9, 2010
  1. 4 of a kind

    4 of a kind Repeated violations of forum rule 1.16 - troll

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    Its things like this that happen to me that prevent me from letting go of the suspicions I have when it comes to online gambling.

    Ive been playing at a certain casino for a good eight months which is also on the accredited list here at casinomiester. When I first tried this casino my first two deposits were with bonuses. Since then all my deposits were without bonuses of any type.

    During this time I guess you could say I became a pretty loyal consistent depositor/player. I had two cash-outs during this time. One for two thousand dollars and my second cash out in the middle of November (09) for four thousand dollars. Even with these cash outs Im still behind at this site.

    After my second cash out for 4k for the next 7 weeks following, it was like trying to beat the casino devil. Being an experienced player, I am not surprised by any losing streak I run into and in fact expect them and always ride them out to happy times again. But this bad run became ruthless. I was careful during this bad run, being certain not to over play. My deposits slowed down at this site and were spaced apart more then I like.

    I am a 95% video poker player with maybe 5% thrown at real series slots. But no matter how little or much I tried it remained ruthless. During this negative run my bankroll never was up more then 2 or 3 hundred dollars, maybe once I hit 5. The sessions were shorter then ever and after giving back 7k I decided I had enough.

    I sent an e-mail to casino support explaining that I felt the RTP was placed at a lower level and no longer was enjoying my play time at their casino. I also asked them to e-mail me when they turn it back up, and Id give them another go of it. (Sarcastic comment of course)

    Sure enough Tuesday of this week I received an e-mail from them. They expressed their sadness of me having such bad luck at their site followed up with these things do happen. They assured me that it is impossible for them to control any settings set forth from their provider RTG. But because of my loyalty they already deposited into my account a $1,000.00 no deposit free chip good for all games, with 20xs play through and 2xs max cash out. A far cry from the $50.00 no deposit bonus coupon (for slots only) they give me for xmas with 20xs play through and 2xs max cash out which of course I never claimed.

    Low and behold I go to the site and sure enough the 1k is sitting in my account. I start off with my usual $5.00 dollar a single hand of my favorite video poker games. The instant success was one like I never experienced before. Endless 4 of a kinds, straight flushes, (2 within 6 hands) boat after boat, I was immediately saying to myself this cant be. (Never hit a royal though) Went to joker poker for $10.00 dollars and $25.00 dollars a hand and again great success. Within two hours my bankroll is at 6k. The poker cooled off a bit so I go to Texas Tycoon for $6.25 a spin. Within my first 20 spins I hit some crap with the guy in the middle with 10xs for over $2,300.00 dollars which was more then the Random Jackpot. That cooled off quick, so I jumped around playing several different real series slots and eventually I went back to poker that although wasnt hitting big anymore it wasnt taken much money from my bankroll. I decide to call it a night with my bankroll still at 7k and a little more then 10k towards my play through.

    To make a long story longer Wednesday night I sign back in and again I pick up where I lead off, covered my entire 20k play through and cashed the max 2xs plus the bonus for a total of 3k.

    So, after 7 weeks and 7k of endless abuse, I send an e-mail get a free chip and all of a sudden Im king of the casino. Does anyone here find this suspicious??? Can something special in fact be done random for any particular player they choose, in the hopes of keeping me depositing?

    I know no one for sure here could answer that, and many will stand up for the online casino. But for a player like myself in fact having this experience, I will continue even more to smell something is cooking in cyberspace...
     
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  2. Jan 9, 2010
  3. PenDragyn21

    PenDragyn21 Dormant account

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    I just think the pendulum finally swung back in your favor, that's all. The RNG is like the Terminator. When it decides to exterminate your bankroll, it doesn't cares if the credits were from a ND or deposit or if you're up overall against a particular casino or down overall. And it's just as heartless against the casino when it decides to work on your side.
     
  4. Jan 10, 2010
  5. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster SoftSwiss Representative webmeister

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    I have strange feeling like their software "recognized" your bonus, and only because it was no deposit bonus it was allowed you to win...
     
  6. Jan 10, 2010
  7. Stovetopp

    Stovetopp Senior Member MM

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    Retired
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    I bet I know which casino you are referring to!! I have had similar experience
    but on the losing side....i never complained to the casino I will just stop playing there for a while
     
  8. Jan 10, 2010
  9. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    EXECUTIVE
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    I dont know exactly how much you lost 4OAK but the strange thing to me is the $1K bonus as normally if you lost several K they would either tell you to bugger off citing 'variance or bad luck' or throw you $50-$100. The winning streak does not surprise me though as it does happen.
     
  10. Jan 10, 2010
  11. 1366613

    1366613 Senior Member

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    Feel the same. At the end all software are controlable .:eek:
     
  12. Jan 10, 2010
  13. newguy68

    newguy68 Dormant account

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    Saying that they are unable to control RTP on games is just pure lie.
    They can control for even for bet size, for each game.
    In casinos many things are "random" such as these competitions some of them hold.
    But in the end its all framed to go in their favour, better to give it to you since they already have to give, instead of someone who put total 60 bucks in 3 deposits and always ask a free bonus.
     
  14. Jan 10, 2010
  15. TOC

    TOC Dormant account

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    Wow, for being such a High Roller why would you continue if you feel as though something is cooking in cyberspace? Personally I feel unless you can do a simple screen shot showing that you are in fact playing in the 7 K's like you say this sounds like nothing more than another looser thread trying to stir up support. Back it up and I'll listen..::eek:

    I understand this is an open forum but you're just talking and not showing proof, which can be done very easily. I challenge you to show proof of what your stating. . :cool: Waiting...
     
  16. Jan 10, 2010
  17. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Turn right, then right. then right again
    Wow...thats a pretty nice bonus there 4OAK. If you dont want the next one I'll take it :p

    Seriously though, Im surprised you are inferring that the casino is somehow ripping you off (well more than they are supposed to anyway) when you got a nice chunk of change in your pocket without a deposit. Im worried about what you might have posted if you lost the bonus.

    Sounds like a good place to play judging from that example.

    Bryan confirmed with RTG that operators can change the RTP settings within a given range but not without permission from RTG themselves.

    The part the bothers me about that is that the player should be told about it, or if that cant be done the casino should commit publicly to a minimum RTP and abide by it. It isnt fair to get a lower RTP at one RTG compared to another when there is no way for the player to tell.

    Im fairly sure dogboy said something about this being done as well i.e. that RTP can depend on coin size, much in the same way as VP often has different paytables for different coins.

    Well its really a trust thing with all these 'random draws'. I dont take any notice as nobody has even proved they are random and unless they are going to be drawn live then we will never know. IMO dont ever deposit solely based on winning a random draw.

    The problem with 4OAKs theory is, and think its what TOC is getting at, that none of the occurrences you describe are impossible nor are they rare. I have had very very similar experiences with VP at RTG, and I must admit that sometimes I wonder if it doesnt run on a slot RNG....but I do play the high variance VPs like double double bonus and bonus deuces wild so I have to swallow the long dry spells to be able to enjoy the big hits. :) It would interesing to know what VPs you play, as some of them are very streaky.

    Earlier in the week I had a nice win at Jackpot Capital (no bonus) and cashed out a nice sum, and then received an email stating I had gone up to diamond status and got a $200 ND bonus as a result. The playthru was 60x :eek: with a 5x max, and I actually made it and cashed out the max. I made another 2 deposits yesterday and couldnt even hit a boat. Do I think they 'turned my account down' - nup. Why? Ive seen this kind of thing over and over and Ive been there and done that, AND Ive thought like you do at times....but I now know that losing is part of the deal and, just the same as I have hit some real monsters, I have had some hard times and this has always been the case.

    Im not saying you're right or wrong. All Im saying is that I havent seen anything posted here about RTG or MG or 3Dice that makes me seriously think "these guys are taking me, or someone else, for a ride".

    I agree with TOC insofar as no evidence has been presented to support cheating (and that is what it would be) by RTG software or any accredited operators. A single experience or bad loss or unusual run of luck is not, unfortunately, evidence. If someone finds something concrete, Im there with bells on!

    Of course, the ultimate choice is a personal one - if you really think it isnt above board then dont give them your money. I know I wouldnt.
     
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  18. Jan 10, 2010
  19. Wildfire7

    Wildfire7 Dormant account

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    I don't think there is anything in this. No casino in the world dishes out a free 1k chip and then lets you purposely win another 2k.

    Your luck changed and so did your mindset. They unexpectedly gave you a free 1K chip, so all the pressures off you and you can start betting freely again. If people are playing feeling upset, feeling this, that and the other is rigged, then it can feel that no matter what you do, you will lose.

    A happy gambler is in much more control, sure he might still lose, but he hasn't got the weight of the world on his shoulders.

    In this business state of mind is everything, money can't buy that. So I have found it best only to play when you are feeling totally relaxed and all is well with the world. Otherwise do something less stressful, like taking the dog for a walk!

    Mike
     
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  20. Jan 10, 2010
  21. 4 of a kind

    4 of a kind Repeated violations of forum rule 1.16 - troll

    Occupation:
    Trans. Tech
    Location:
    New York

    Don't know how to do a screen shot but copied from the history transaction page from Jan 4 to Jan 10 and this is how it came out.

    From:




    To:



    Date Transaction Amount
    1/7/2010 9:24:52 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Requested ($500.00)
    1/7/2010 9:24:31 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Requested ($500.00)
    1/7/2010 9:24:05 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Requested ($500.00)
    1/7/2010 9:23:46 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Requested ($500.00)
    1/7/2010 9:23:28 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Requested ($500.00)
    1/7/2010 9:23:15 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Requested ($500.00)
    1/5/2010 1:20:27 PM Promo Credit Deposit Approved! $1000.00
    1/5/2010 1:20:24 PM Promo Credit Deposit Requested $1000.00
     
  22. Jan 11, 2010
  23. funeral979

    funeral979 Senior Member PABaccred

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    retail
    Location:
    Texas
    I had a very similar experience to yours, 4OAK.

    About a year ago I had had just about enough of a particular accredited RTG casino. Over the course of 4 years or so I had about 200 deposits and 3 withdrawals, and the casino was well ahead obviously(probably around 15K). Well they had a few emails from me in the past complaining about how tight they were, and I was always compensated with a free bonus. Well this time I told them I appreciated the bonuses and all but I was about ready to have my account closed. They responded back with another free bonus ($75) and said how they really hated to see me go. Less than an hour into playing that free chip I hit a random jackpot, for about $1500 I think.

    I think it is very plausible that the casino would "hand over a win" in such instances to keep a good customer. So yes I do think a casino would dish out a free chip and then purposely let a player win. Why not? The player will probably give it back and then some within good time.

    Now I don't know for sure if this was the case in my situation. or 4OAKs, but it does make one wonder...
     
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  24. Jan 11, 2010
  25. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Thanks for sharing your experience funeral.

    I have a couple of questions from the above statement:

    1. Do you really think that the casino can make your individual account lose at their leisure or 'tag' a bonus they issue to make you win? It would have to mean that you were playing 'clones' of the real games, otherwise any changes they make to the games (which they would have to do to make you lose) would affect other players too.

    2. If you do believe that the above it true, why would they issue you with a whole lot of 'lose' bonuses beforehand (you indicated they had done many times previously) and then suddenly give you a 'winner' one?

    If you consider all the above to be true, and it would have to be for your theory or 4OAKs theory to work, then why would you keep playing at RTG? You are inferring they are cheating and conning you, so why give them your money?

    Its OK to complain if you think you are being stiffed, but IMO it loses a lot of credibility if you just keep on going back.

    The plain truth is that you got lucky with that chip. If they give you enough freebies, you are going to hit something eventually....just like if you make enough deposits. I think someone else also said (Wildfire?) that we tend to play differently with freebies also, which can be a big factor.

    Its interesting to note that one never sees posts from players complaining that the 'software isnt random' when they cashout 3 times in a row or hit 2 RJs in a week.....its only when they lose. Yes, 4OAK is talking about winning from a free chip, but his real issue is that they lost almost every time with their own money, so its still about losing in the end.

    Nothing personal, just my 2 cents.
     
  26. Jan 11, 2010
  27. felicie

    felicie Ueber Meister PABnononaccred

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    Proof proof schmoof! It's just a feeling some of us get and some of us don't from playing so long on a regular basis at the same casinos. I have had a few wins that I felt were obviously loyalty wins or just because I'm a good depositor and hadn't won for some time. I felt I was being led to certain slot games that were hot right then, the lines were set different as was the bet and sure enough if I hit spin instead of max bet, it started jumpin. On bonus games, certain things were brighter as if to say choose me. And it went on and on from slot to slot till I got to a certain amount and then I could not get any higher. No matter what I did it was as if a limit had been set and that is why I suddenly began to feel I was being given that win.
    As nice as it might have been, it's the last thing I personally want to find happening because then it isn't random and the funs over. ;)
     
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  28. Jan 11, 2010
  29. funeral979

    funeral979 Senior Member PABaccred

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    Texas
    Thanks for your feedback!

    Well to answer your first question, of course I cannot say for certain if that is possible. It sure SEEMS like this is the case though in certain situations. And do we really know for sure that operators cannot fiddle with JUST your games (and not everyone else)?? I believe this was brought up recently and we were told that the RTP could not be changed for an individual. But again we have to just accept this as truth from the same folks that still allow the likes of the Virtual family to prosper.

    And to your second question, I got that "winning" free chip after I hinted that I would like my account closed. The other chips were given due to my poor sessions, just to appease me....coincidence?...

    I don't really complain alot when I lose. You can look at my posts and you wont find very many (except in extreme circumstances-23 BJ losses in a row...same casino, btw). As far as keep going back? Well I really dont anymore. Across all RTG casinos, I used to deposit between $1,000-$2,000 a month on average. Since last February, I now deposit between $25-$50 a month at RTG. At that price, at least losing can be fun sometimes:thumbsup:
     
  30. Jan 11, 2010
  31. DogBoy001

    DogBoy001 Senior Member webmeister

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    Heya,

    No, that's not the case, since RTP is constant across all bet levels.

    What I said was in relation to the random jackpots, with proportional chance of triggering based on level of bet, which is necessary to have an unvarying RTP per bet.

    Woooof
     
  32. Jan 11, 2010
  33. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    PAID CASINO SHILL
    Location:
    Turn right, then right. then right again
    Cool thanks dogboy for clearing that up - I knew you said something to do with bet levels :thumbsup:

    How about the happy ox, 3 stooges etc....they dont seem to go off anywhere - are they expected to get very high before they go off?
     
  34. Jan 12, 2010
  35. WonderingSpirit

    WonderingSpirit Casino critic

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    Scandinavia
    Last year I made a shitload of deposits. 2 times did I complain to casino support about my bad luck, 20-30 deposits nowhere close to winning. Both Accredited casinos.

    One was at live chat with the casino boss himself. He gave me 50$ and wrote: "Try now ;) " ( with the smiley face ) Sure enough I hit a winning streak that was good enough for a cash out.

    One was a request for a free chip in a PM here at the forum. I was given 32$ and guess what. I hit 1200$ on free spins with 0,75$ bet.


    A couple of years ago i moaned about a MG casino. ( not sure if it was accredited. Dont remember the name of the casino. I was given 20$ free chip.
    I told my fiancee to come to the computer, and I told her: "Look Im gonna hit a bonusgame". On the very first spin I won the bonus feature. I never played at that casino again.

    Makes you wonder...:rolleyes:
     
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  36. Jan 12, 2010
  37. WonderingSpirit

    WonderingSpirit Casino critic

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    Another good reason to "hand over a win" is if the casino rep knows your active at forums.
     
  38. Jan 13, 2010
  39. pmhcfc

    pmhcfc Experienced Member

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    UK
    Just one other interesting thought to add...

    If you had deposited $1000 and not had the free chip- I wonder if your luck would have been as good....That's to say, you would have been cashing out much more than the $2k because of no playthrough... Hmmm
     

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