Vegas Regal

How can anyone take a bonus and allow the casino to cap the amount you can cashout? When are you (players) going to stop allowing them to this to you? I remember bonuses (Fully cashable) was simple 5X rollout any games count. Next they moved the play thru up to 30X -100X and slots only (Sticky). And you accepted it. Now they give you 30X -100X Slots only with a max cashout (Non cashable). And you accept it. WOW! I see why everyone is trying to open a Rival or RTG casino and get in the USA market. There are fish swimming every where.
 
I has always been my opinion that it is fair for a caisno to put whatever retrictions they like on any free no-deposit bonuses they give me.

However, when Im risking my own funds I do not believe any max cashout is acceptable. By all means increase the WR, make the bonus sticky, limit the bonus amount.....but dont think Im going to be OK with you taking the winnings that I have paid for - bonuses are set up for the casino to win, so if I actually manage to beat it I should be paid in full. If too many people are doing it, then the WR is too low, which isnt the players fault.

Many casinos still offer no max cashout bonuses and have been thriving for many years because they can see the long term benefit. Many of these casinos may offer you less bonuses, but they are of much better quality and dont look like a blatant attempt to force you to lose.

I have to wonder with the sudden banning of players en masse at Rival just how well funded and managed these casinos are.....just this week 3 of my fav Rivals have bonus banned me out of the blue, with only one reversing the decision based on my loyalty (thankyou Linda from Royal Apollo :) ) , and from what Tradition casino has been saying it is because they were losing money. Well I received an interesting email from another Rival the other day revealing the following figures this month for slots payout:

5 Reel Circus - 102.01%
Hobo's Hoard - 112.96%
Money Magic Progressive - 138.98%
Jacques Pot - Gourmet Slot - 138.15%
Spy Game - 105.52%
Western Wildness - 108.15%
Chicken Little - 102.35%
Psychedelic Sixties - 117.21%

Now, wouldnt the above stats be far more likely to be the cause of the casinos loss than some players taking the odd bonus here and there (like me and many others)?? If I were a new operator like Tradition, I would be a bit concerned with those % but in the long run they will ALL pay around 96% (so we are told) so the casino will WIN in the medium to long term.

It just seems too coincidental that the above stats come out at the same time that a huge round of bonus banning starts. Hmmmm....

Sorry if its a bit of a derail, but I think it is relevant to bonuses etc.
 
I has always been my opinion that it is fair for a caisno to put whatever retrictions they like on any free no-deposit bonuses they give me.

However, when Im risking my own funds I do not believe any max cashout is acceptable. By all means increase the WR, make the bonus sticky, limit the bonus amount.....but dont think Im going to be OK with you taking the winnings that I have paid for - bonuses are set up for the casino to win, so if I actually manage to beat it I should be paid in full. If too many people are doing it, then the WR is too low, which isnt the players fault.

Many casinos still offer no max cashout bonuses and have been thriving for many years because they can see the long term benefit. Many of these casinos may offer you less bonuses, but they are of much better quality and dont look like a blatant attempt to force you to lose.

I have to wonder with the sudden banning of players en masse at Rival just how well funded and managed these casinos are.....just this week 3 of my fav Rivals have bonus banned me out of the blue, with only one reversing the decision based on my loyalty (thankyou Linda from Royal Apollo :) ) , and from what Tradition casino has been saying it is because they were losing money. Well I received an interesting email from another Rival the other day revealing the following figures this month for slots payout:



Now, wouldnt the above stats be far more likely to be the cause of the casinos loss than some players taking the odd bonus here and there (like me and many others)?? If I were a new operator like Tradition, I would be a bit concerned with those % but in the long run they will ALL pay around 96% (so we are told) so the casino will WIN in the medium to long term.

It just seems too coincidental that the above stats come out at the same time that a huge round of bonus banning starts. Hmmmm....

Sorry if its a bit of a derail, but I think it is relevant to bonuses etc.


When you used to hear of players being banned from winning too much in a casino, images of wealthy sheiks winning in Monte Carlo would spring to mind.

Reading your posts Nifty I get the impression your an average kind of player, who happens to win now and again. As you point out, if in the long run the odds eventually favour the casino, then there should be no need to ban anybody for winning. Unless they are on a tight budget. The question then is if casinos are running on such tight margins then they are probably doing you a favour letting you go. As you don't want to be in a situation one day where they simply don't have enough funds left to pay you.

Casinos may be not be in a position to lay off bets to reduce exposure, but they do enjoy the luxury of having all the odds heavily stacked in their favour.
A casino who bans someone because they are in profit, is not really a proper casino, they are more like a fairground stall, too many teddys won and thats it they will pack up for the day.

Mike
 
How can anyone take a bonus and allow the casino to cap the amount you can cashout? When are you (players) going to stop allowing them to this to you? I remember bonuses (Fully cashable) was simple 5X rollout any games count. Next they moved the play thru up to 30X -100X and slots only (Sticky). And you accepted it. Now they give you 30X -100X Slots only with a max cashout (Non cashable). And you accept it. WOW! I see why everyone is trying to open a Rival or RTG casino and get in the USA market. There are fish swimming every where.

Completely agree. As I've said here before, Slotpower's byline is NOT "One Spin Away From A Reasonably Large Amount Of Money", it's "One Spin Away From A Jackpot". I get 300%, 500%, 1000% bonus offers, but then I look at the terms and they put a 2xOfBonus max cashout, and I go no further. I've even begun having second thoughts about bonuses with WR's larger than 20x. Most of my deposits, therefore, are without bonuses.
 
I like to play bonus with no more than 20x, and NO MAX CASHOUT.:thumbsup:
................................................ :lolup: .......... :lolup:

as all know slotocash never add a maxcashout and the max wr that i can see was 30x, normal wr 15x 10x:thumbsup:
 
Yesterday i deposited $100 at Vegas regal... took a 600% bonus....60 times playthrough and 3 times max cash out.... painfully was at around 14k when i had wagered enough.... but hey in the end i cashed out 1900 which was the three times the bonus plus my deposit and that's better to me than a kick in the teeth.... they have paid me in the past and i know il be paid soon for this... the players choice to take the bonus or not......
 
1366613 is right here. Some rivals including slotocash have no max cash out terms on bonuses, which i believe is fair towards the player - casino relationship in the long term. They dont have to offer this on every bonus, as players tend to play without bonuses aswell, but when they do its great. Vegasregal also has some, no max cash out bonuses, and when their other bonuses are well put together and it is a reputable casino, which is the most important!.
 
Yesterday i deposited $100 at Vegas regal... took a 600% bonus....60 times playthrough and 3 times max cash out.... painfully was at around 14k when i had wagered enough.... but hey in the end i cashed out 1900 which was the three times the bonus plus my deposit and that's better to me than a kick in the teeth.... they have paid me in the past and i know il be paid soon for this... the players choice to take the bonus or not......

You had 14K and was happy to settle for $1900? Then you justify losing 12K by saying is better than a kick in the teeth. WOW! Well I guess you paid someone 12k not to kick you in the teeth. I'm glad I don't hang around those type of ppl.
 
Yesterday i deposited $100 at Vegas regal... took a 600% bonus....60 times playthrough and 3 times max cash out.... painfully was at around 14k when i had wagered enough.... but hey in the end i cashed out 1900 which was the three times the bonus plus my deposit and that's better to me than a kick in the teeth.... they have paid me in the past and i know il be paid soon for this... the players choice to take the bonus or not......

Well you won in the end, but I wonder if you took that bonus 20 times in a row how many times you would cashout?

What bothers me is the fact that the casino has kept $12000 in winnings - they dont have to pay that to anyone! Imagine how much winnings players taking these bonuses generate.....and most of it disappears into thin air.

Im beginning to wonder if it is actually a great way to reduce the actual RTP (and therefore increase profits). Remember, they say the slots pay out 96% but that means nothing if the casino isnt actually paying out that 96%. Everyone with me?

Its a personal choice, but i believe that these bonuses are designed for the casino to take even more advantage of you than they already do.
 
Well you won in the end, but I wonder if you took that bonus 20 times in a row how many times you would cashout?

What bothers me is the fact that the casino has kept $12000 in winnings - they dont have to pay that to anyone! Imagine how much winnings players taking these bonuses generate.....and most of it disappears into thin air.

Im beginning to wonder if it is actually a great way to reduce the actual RTP (and therefore increase profits). Remember, they say the slots pay out 96% but that means nothing if the casino isnt actually paying out that 96%. Everyone with me?

Its a personal choice, but i believe that these bonuses are designed for the casino to take even more advantage of you than they already do.

I'm partly with you, but also don't forget that these huge bonuses, when lost, go INTO the slots which at least compensates for a big part.

I took these huge bonuses several times, but found them to be rather useless, because you need to wager much higher stakes than you normally do to make the massive playthrough, so they hardly generate any extra playtime, because the number of bets you can place stays roughly the same.
 
Well you won in the end, but I wonder if you took that bonus 20 times in a row how many times you would cashout?

What bothers me is the fact that the casino has kept $12000 in winnings - they dont have to pay that to anyone! Imagine how much winnings players taking these bonuses generate.....and most of it disappears into thin air.

Im beginning to wonder if it is actually a great way to reduce the actual RTP (and therefore increase profits). Remember, they say the slots pay out 96% but that means nothing if the casino isn't actually paying out that 96%. Everyone with me?

Its a personal choice, but i believe that these bonuses are designed for the casino to take even more advantage of you than they already do.

I've not yet taken one of those bonuses. I could not stand to win a large sum and be tied to such a low payout. Nd bonuses yes but deposit with a bonus no. A restriction on a 200% bonus is ludicrous. I like VR but there is something not right with all of these huge bonuses and max cashouts. restrictions
 
I have won on these bonuses a few times...also....i would never of won as much on the last one as i was able to bet huge and was down to the last couple hundred before i got it....

Each to their own.....

i deposit over and over at some casinos without cashing out a damn thing so this to me is just fine... i knew the terms before i chose to take the bonus...

im not stupid by any means if thats whats being implied...
 
I'm partly with you, but also don't forget that these huge bonuses, when lost, go INTO the slots which at least compensates for a big part.
That is a VERY good point which is very easy to forget. :thumbsup:

Personally I would be ecstatic, not just delighted, to cash out 5 x my bonus at any casino!
So I don't have any objection to some places putting limits on. I always read the T&Cs first, and if I wasn't happy, I wouldn't take the bonus.
No-one is forcing anyone to play with a restricted bonus if they don't want to.

KK
 
Well you won in the end, but I wonder if you took that bonus 20 times in a row how many times you would cashout?

What bothers me is the fact that the casino has kept $12000 in winnings - they dont have to pay that to anyone! Imagine how much winnings players taking these bonuses generate.....and most of it disappears into thin air.

Im beginning to wonder if it is actually a great way to reduce the actual RTP (and therefore increase profits). Remember, they say the slots pay out 96% but that means nothing if the casino isnt actually paying out that 96%. Everyone with me?

Its a personal choice, but i believe that these bonuses are designed for the casino to take even more advantage of you than they already do.
I would like to add to that, when the casinos say their "payout percentage" does that include bonus funds removed at cashout? It would be a very complicated forumula, and besides would work against them, if they were to say, we have a 76.6% payout :notworthy

Its probably just worked out on a bet/win formula, and everything else goes into the casinos pocket. But the bonuses are there to add extra play, not for the player to be able to win more.

I very very rarely take maximum withdrawal limits, even free chips, as you lose the thrill of the big wins.
 
1366613 is right here. Some rivals including slotocash have no max cash out terms on bonuses, which i believe is fair towards the player - casino relationship in the long term. They dont have to offer this on every bonus, as players tend to play without bonuses aswell, but when they do its great. Vegasregal also has some, no max cash out bonuses, and when their other bonuses are well put together and it is a reputable casino, which is the most important!.

Hi there, never see one no max cashout bonus on vegas regal. The max i can see was 5x.
 
i have request withdraw on 5 january got reply on 8 january that want documents sent them in 5 minutes after i got the email that they want the documents today was 5 business day have pass and i have ask support which time i will get my withdraw they told me that it will take 2-5 business days after my withdraw is approved so the first withdraw takes around 10 business days ?
 
shehevo my first withdrawal experience was the same... but it will get better... i am also hoping to be paid very soon and i wish you do also.....i am sure the hold up is only to do with it being a first one for you.... best of luck...
 
One positive of the max cash out on the bonuses is that it creates a sort of safety net, at least for me. For those who cant always find the cashout button, I think these large bonuses with max cashout are a blessing! If you are lucky enough to meet the WR, you wont be tempted to keep trying to press your luck. At least you can say you won the most possible, and probably would have busted out had you not had the extra funds to play with.

If more casinos had a max cashout with large bonuses I probably would have had a few extra thousand in my pocket last year.

Not to say I would always play with these, but its nice to have a variety to choose from.
 
Thursday night I took there 300% bonus. I won off of it... still yet to see an e-mail request credit card docs and all. I wonder if there going to be a bit slower now that they've been hit at all or not. Also has anyone used the eCheck option? Whats the standard turn around on those?
 
Vegas Regal Warning!

I m a new poster but i have played long time different casinos and used other forums but not casino meister.

I have not got any troubles in any other casinos before but this is first time when I got troubles.

Vegas Regal is not paying my winnings which I won 30.5.

3440071722 1,000.00 NETeller PROCESSING May 30, 11:37:31 PM


It has been over 2 weeks in "processing statement". I have got three approved withdrawls without problems but this was first time when they have not paid to me.


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