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Question Variance?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by rshkrn, Dec 12, 2013.

    Dec 12, 2013
  1. rshkrn

    rshkrn Senior Member

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    Just wondering how to understand the term "Variance" in slots? Let's take 2 30 line slots, 1 HV and one LV, with 30cents per spin. Does this mean I'll be going longer without a payout on the high variance slot or does it mean the payout will be larger?

    Also what HV/LV slots are most popular?

    TIA for helping understand this.
     
  2. Dec 12, 2013
  3. incrediblestuff

    incrediblestuff SearchingForTheHolyGrail! CAG webmeister

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    There's a lot of threads here on the forum discussing this topic, but to put it simple:
    The HV slots are more likely to give you long losing streaks, therefore the potential payout is usually much higher then
    the LV slots at least when you do hit the big one.

    And the LV slots tend to give you more playtime in general.

    Both types of slots, and the MV which is in between have possible huge losing or winning streaks in their palette of possibilities:)

    Just play the games you like is my recommendation, and if you are looking for the popular HV slots, just browse the "winner screenshots"
    thread, and in particular the 1000X bet or higher thread, which will show you a lot of Dead or Alive, Immortal Romance, Playboy and other screenies, that might inspire you.
     
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  5. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    On the HV slots yes you probably will go longer without a payout and the potential payouts (when you hit them) can be many hundreds even thousands times stake. You tend to get many small 2x stake or less wins to keep you ticking over, but on average your bank will run dry far quicker than a LV slot.

    A LV slot has less big-win potential (i.e the maximum win will be 200-500x stake) but often rewards you with frequent 5-50x stake wins to keep you going longer than the HV slot. You usually win on these by getting 'overlapping' wins, i.e. 20x stake, 15 spins then a 30x stake win and so-on so you may build a profit up.

    Lets say we have a slot that pays 95% over a mere 100 spins. It is the ultimate LV slot so EVERY spin gives you 95p for all 100 spins.

    Now say we have the ultimate HV slot - 95% but you get 99 spins at ZERO and one at £95 for your 100 spins.

    So if you come on the slot with £30 you have a 30% chance of getting the 95 win, which means you'll be well in profit.

    Now transpose this model to millions of spins and the win awards are varied in between these extremes above - on a HV slot the spread of wins will be more extreme and nearer the second example, on a LV slot less extreme and nearer the first example.

    Hope you understand my efforts here!
     
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  7. mrmark21

    mrmark21 Meister Member

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    I really recommend the high variance slots by Playtech that includes Penguin Vacation, Great Blue, Irish Luck, and Marilyn Monroe. Microgaming and Netent not so much because I never win anything on them. MG hasn't wanted to spit out anything more than 100x the bet on a decent bet size for the last six months so I stopped playing them some time ago. I'd prefer to play where I have a chance to win and that's on PT. I definitely recommend you give Playtech's high variance slots a shot.
     
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  8. Dec 12, 2013
  9. incrediblestuff

    incrediblestuff SearchingForTheHolyGrail! CAG webmeister

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    Nothing wrong with your recommendations in so far, but you might want to rephrase the bolded part, for s1 might interpret that wrong, either dunover, granting you one of his tin foil hats, or worse, a newbie who would possibly think that there is no chance to win on MG or Netent:) tongue in cheek of course!

    What you meant, i reckon is that personally you have had much more luck on PT, and a real bad run on both Netent and MG? :cool:
     
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  11. rshkrn

    rshkrn Senior Member

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    thanks for the replies....one more question.... is the HV/LV based on only the game or does it include the bonus/feature etc?

    I've played quite a bit of Great blue and I go almost 300 spins without the feature and then when it comes end up selecting the non-multipliers (worst luck with these!!!).... On the other hand the features with BTBA are standard...15 spins of x5....
     
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  13. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    It includes the bonus feature. An example will be Immortal Romance where kktmd (if you look his posts up on the search facility in your CM account) got us statistics over a million spins, and determined the base game paid 79% of the RTP and the bonus rounds were responsible for about 17% of the RTP overall. (IIRC).
     
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  15. incrediblestuff

    incrediblestuff SearchingForTheHolyGrail! CAG webmeister

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    It absolutely includes the feature, in most HV games this is the only way to get the max hit: inside a feature.
    Take Immortal romance: basically the best chance of a huge payday is a 4-reel or 5-reel Wild Desire feature, although the "normal"
    Free-Spins features can be quite rewarding too, a lot of times you will hit duds in both those features, and once in ever so many spins you will hit the "jackpot"

    The same goes for Dead or Alive: the only way to really win big on it is getting the extra 5 spins if you manage to land a wild on all of the 5 reels in the normal 12 Free-Spins, and hope they form a line before, or soon after, then you are guaranteed a huge return.

    Of course in both the mentioned games there are nice hits possible in normal spins, which might boost your balance, sometimes even a streak of those (more so in IR then DOA) but what you want is the big feature:)

    Your experience on Great Blue, is typical for a HV slot: it can go long before giving a feature, and when it finally does, there's a good chance it pays crap.. that's always a risk.
    But once again, if you then do hit the good multiplier, and just one good 5OAK, your in for some fun!

    If you check the winners screenshot like i said, on the last few pages there was a guy from Holland who posted such an insane win on Great Blue:) I'll try and add it to my post for your comfort.
    And because of such hits, most of the other spins and features will be dead, or award minor prizes...(generally)
    And indeed, on BDBA the spins are always the same, but in the end it does not matter, because 5x (or 25x) zero is still zero, if you catch my drift:)

    Edit: here is the screen: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums...-screenshots-min-1000xbet-199.html#post593711
     
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  16. Dec 12, 2013
  17. mrmark21

    mrmark21 Meister Member

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    Lol yes that one... But just really really really bad ;)

    I don't feel like there's any chance of me hitting anything on MG but I'm just going off my past experience when you lose months and months on end you eventually start to think that your never going to win anything because you haven't won anything. I don't think they are rigged, I know they aren't rigged I won on them a long long long time ago.

    I guess you need to look at it this way as well, I've been playing MG for two years and PT for six months. I've won nearly as much on PT than I've ever won on MG. I've gotten my biggest wins on PT and quite a few as well. MG has been good for playtime with balance preserving smaller hits.

    I mean six months without a big win on MG at a decent bet? Depositing about four times a week, I'd say that's around 96 deposits (with to be fair one decent win of $300). I'd say that's bloody terrible lol! I'm to scared to play MG which is why I stopped, I win something small like 100x the bet and I'm like if I don't take it now it's going to swallow up my entire balance and then a character from one of the reels will reach through the computer and mug me. Slots shouldn't be like that which is why I stopped playing MG. Shame as well because they have some really good games :)
     
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  19. whodatrec

    whodatrec Banned User - multiple accounts

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    Fore me its the other way around.. I cant win for the life of me on playtech. Worst games ever... I prefer WMS,NetEnt and Microgaming. Ive won the most on NetEnt. But then again Im Norwegian and they seam to like scandinavian players :p
     
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  21. mrmark21

    mrmark21 Meister Member

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    I agree with your post :thumbsup: I understand everyone's experience will be different. Your real lucky being able to win on Netent :)
     
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  23. rshkrn

    rshkrn Senior Member

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    obviously there's no "strategy" involved in slots, but wouldn't it make sense to bet smaller (i mean total no. of coins) on the HV slots and higher on the LV slots?

    Going by that great blue spin screenshot it's a massive win for a .50 bet which would never be possible on a LV game.....they may take longer to come but will keep you going within your roll....???
     
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  25. mrmark21

    mrmark21 Meister Member

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    That's a good point. I tend to bet less on the HV slots and more on the LV slots myself. Great Blue is very high variance and I've won a ton on that game but I won't play it without a bonus.
     
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  27. slotplayer

    slotplayer Senior Member webmeister

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    the way I understand it is:

    A HV slot has a low hit frequency, meaning you'll get hits (or winning combinations) less often but the payline wins are usually bigger.

    An LV slot has a high hit frequency meaning you'll get hits (or winning combinations) more often but the payline wins are usually small.

    What players run in to when playing HV is they don't have a big enough bankroll to sustain the dry spells.
     

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