Question Using a Relatives account

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If someone was to use a relatives details to sign up to a bingo/slot site and use there own funds to play on that site to get the bonus offer ect, Would that be an criminal offensive even if the relative knew what was going on? Or would they simply just close the accounts and ban you. How far would it go ?
 

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If someone was to use a relatives details to sign up to a bingo/slot site and use there own funds to play on that site to get the bonus offer ect, Would that be an criminal offensive even if the relative knew what was going on? Or would they simply just close the accounts and ban you. How far would it go ?


It would just be plain dumb and utterly pointless as they'd find out if the blagger tried to withdraw and no winnings would be paid.
 

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It would just be plain dumb and utterly pointless as they'd find out if the blagger tried to withdraw and no winnings would be paid.
But wouldn't they pass it on the local authorities as its fraud no ?
 

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It would depend on the level of fraud I would guess... I.e how much was spent. It would likely be seen as a civil matter unless you were talking large amounts...
 

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But wouldn't they pass it on the local authorities as its fraud no ?
Probably pass it onto ‘action Fraud’ if a complaint was made.
The police rarely bother with anything like this unless someone is at a substantial loss or a hate crime was committed on a fake Facebook acc.
Idiotic thing to do anyhow
 

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But wouldn't they pass it on the local authorities as its fraud no ?


No, because the person paying the deposits can only lose their own money and not somebody else's. I'm sure there's some technicality about using someone else's ID as an instrument but when there's no intent or possibility to financially disadvantage the person, nothing would come of it.
 

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No, because the person paying the deposits can only lose their own money and not somebody else's. I'm sure there's some technicality about using someone else's ID as an instrument but when there's no intent or possibility to financially disadvantage the person, nothing would come of it.

It would come under the fraud act 2006, previous to that it would have been obtain a pecuniary advantage by deception.

It would be fraud by false representation - saying he was someone else

The basic requirements are:

the behaviour of the defendant must be dishonest - clearly saying he is someone else is dishonest
it must also be his intention to make a gain, or cause a loss to another - signing up to take a bonus they are not entitled to is a gain for a player and a loss to the casino

There is no need to prove that a gain or loss has been made, or that any victim was deceived by the defendant’s behaviour.

In practice it would most likely have to be a pretty long term and lucrative fraud to get a criminal investigation going, the police barely come out now if you are burgled, so trying to get them to do something like this would be practically impossible, the casino wouldn't have the expertise to prosecute themselves, and the cost of paying a solicitor to do it for them would far outweigh the loss so would be no point.
 
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