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US Players and Casinomeister

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Casinomeister, Oct 16, 2006.

    Oct 16, 2006
  1. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
    Bierland
    Last week was a tough week. Tough but informative.

    As many of you know, I was attending the European Interactive Gaming conference in Barcelona. It was the largest European gathering of casino operators and software developers yet. An excellent show which I will discus more in this week's newsletter.

    One thing for sure, there is a very big problem in the US when it comes to dealing with online casinos and poker rooms. It's a mess and no one has any answers on how to deal with this. There is also a definite risk to anyone who is continuing to accept US bets. A number of casinos have decided to block players from certain jurisdictions in the States - but even this is not clear. I spoke to one individual who mentioned that there are only two states that don't have some law concerning online gaming - Montana and Wyoming I believe (not 100% sure). Nevertheless, there are risks - especially when there are so many Americans suing each other for ridiculous reasons, and Bible thumping prosecutors who will tout their misguided morals on whomever they chose.

    So, a command decision was made while I was there at the conference: Casinos that accept bets from US based players will not be listed at Casinomeister.

    So what does this mean for Casinomeister members who reside in the US? Not too much if you are playing at Casinos not listed here. Unfortunately, you won't have that sense of protection while playing at a "Casinomeister Accredited Casino" since there won't be any at your disposal. :(

    You may need to venture out of your house and check out the local poker room dives in your neighborhood, or anticipate a freaky road-trip to Vegas or some nearby Indian reservation. But if you're looking to join casinos from here, sorry - I can't help you out.

    Everything else is business as usual - PAB is open to anyone (except fraudsters). US players are encouraged to join the forum and contribute their experiences, observations, bitches and moans, etc. The newsletter should still be just as informative and vibrant to anyone who likes to read - the webcast is still funny ha ha. And Skill Games may be joining the landscape here as well - you may find this just as enjoyable as casino games.

    Sorry that it has to be this way, but this is a command decision that had to be made. I hope you understand.
     
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  2. Oct 16, 2006
  3. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    :(

    So the US politicians and the moralists have managed to ensure the American gambling public get less help and advice rather than more. One big step for "American Values", one giant leap for Criminals :rolleyes:

    That said I think you are right to work within the law CM. I hope people come to their senses in the future once they have their votes in the bag and common sense prevails over money.
     
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  4. Oct 16, 2006
  5. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    Software Developer
    Location:
    Denmark
    Very well put!


    WHAAAT?

    I understand why you can not redirect US citizens to casinos, but why enforce this stupid 'US only rule' to the rest of the world?

    Could you just not simply list the casinos as you always have and just write that it is illegal for US cititzens to play there? Or you could sniff the IP adress and simply not show this list to US surfers. Or one time pop-up question (then store in cookie) where surfers has to confirm they are not US citizens?

    By not listing the good reliable casinos on your site, you are hurting all non-US players as well. They will end up at rogued casinos and get cheated the hell out of them.

    Zoozie
     
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  7. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    Nice idea. I have a geo-targetting PHP script I use if that helps CM.
     
  8. Oct 16, 2006
  9. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
    Bierland
    Actually, there is a solution to this. A number of the casino groups/casinos that were removed are putting together casino sites that will accept all non-US players, and then they will be readmitted to the section. This just won't happen overnight.
     
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  11. Westland Bowl

    Westland Bowl Tin Foil Hat Club Member CAG PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    not applicable
    Location:
    America
    Maybe I'll just MOVE out of the US instead.
     
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  13. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

    Occupation:
    IT Director of Operations
    Location:
    Left Hungary
    Knew this was coming, hence the question in another post....this is a sad day!
     
  14. Oct 16, 2006
  15. cheekymonkey

    cheekymonkey Ueber Meister

    Occupation:
    Loser
    Location:
    Back at my mums
    Would the last person to leave, please turn out the lights.
     
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  17. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
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    Yes, I agree - this sucks. But it's necessary.
     
  18. Oct 16, 2006
  19. amatrine

    amatrine Crazy Cat Lady webmeister

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    Retired
    Location:
    Arizona City, Az
    Re

    Won't this just encourage more casinos to no longer take US players?

    **sigh**

    Ama
     
  20. Oct 16, 2006
  21. JudyMT

    JudyMT Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Medical transcriptionist
    Location:
    Sodus, NY
    I have not posted here much, but have been an avid reader of the forum for awhile and have gained alot of useful information. I just wanted to say thanks for this site and while it does suck, I do understand the stand you have to take. Hopefully, someday all this mess will be straightend out and we will (US players) once again be allowed to do with our free time what we damn well please. One good thing, on my last day of playing at Splendido, I had a nice cashout, which was a nice way to say farewell. Again, thanks Brian and everyone here.
     
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  22. Oct 16, 2006
  23. frufrugirl

    frufrugirl Senior Member

    Occupation:
    retired
    Location:
    NorthWest USA
    I would much rather have "CasinoMeister" around to protect as many people as possible from rouge casinos than have him be taken down because of this USA thing. Its kind of like sacrafice a few for the good of the whole. It must be done to keep this site around. It has done me so much good..I hope someday this will be over, but right now the US policy is dangerous to the sites that protect John and Joanne Doe from preditor Casinos. So, do what you gotta do Meister, Ill be here anyway!:)
     
  24. Oct 16, 2006
  25. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    American members at Casinomeister may not be able to connect with casinos taking the risk of accepting US bets here any longer, but don't lose sight of the other valuable facilities here, as Bryan has outlined:

    Bailey goes on to assure his many American members that whilst his accredited online casino links will shrink in the short term, players will remain welcome on the site.

    "Everything else is business as usual," he says, highlighting the site's popular dispute resolution facility, active forum, current industry news pages, webcast and newsletter. He also hints that Skill Games [which are unaffected by the US law] may be joining the Casinomeister landscape."

    I hope that our American friends will continue to make full use of all the great benefits that this site offers, and that we will continue to enjoy their news and views.
     
  26. Oct 16, 2006
  27. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

    Occupation:
    webmistress
    Location:
    The Boonies
    These are tough times and decisions by everyone, casinos, webmasters and players need to be made individually and based on local and world situations. There is no cookie cutter solution, unfortunately.

    The new owners of GamesandCasino decided for now to continue with an information section for US players, listing the individual casino's decisions as found.

    Personally I am worried that this law will cause a surge of irreputable casinos preying on US players. I have already received spam from such places, offering the sky to get you to play there.

    I am at a loss for words to express the way I feel about the situation the industry finds itself in. Please all US players, watch yourselves and don't start dealing with shady places. No one will be able to help you there.
     
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  29. Slotster!

    Slotster! I predict a riot. CAG

    Occupation:
    al Hazard
    Location:
    Location, Location!
    Sad day CM... Thanks for the eloquent explanation and rationale behind your decision.

    I hope all the lively and interesting US folks stick around, and continue to ensure this discussion forum remains far and away the best on the web.

    Crazy times...
     
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  30. Oct 16, 2006
  31. Cynthia777

    Cynthia777 Senior Member

    Occupation:
    working
    Location:
    My house
    Thank you for your informative response to this, Bryan. I cannot say that I blame you for this decision because of all of the vagueness and hoopla surrounding this, and you are correct about how so many people are "sue-happy".

    I don't expect you to answer and/or comment on this, because I know this seems like you have been "put in the middle" when you have had to remove casinos and casino groups that were (aside from this issue) considered and found to be excellent, reputable ones with a history of awards. I suppose the ones that still accept U.S. players, even the ones that accept only certain states, have been put in the middle as well because of their vast and loyal group of U.S. players and trying to find a way for them to continue their business with them.

    As far as I am concerned (and a gambler at heart), I will continue to play only at the ones that were once listed because of their reputation, and if they will still have me. Not saying that I am intentionally breaking the law, but my interpretation of it is that this Frist provision mainly outlines the billing and finance transactions involved and enforcing statutory laws that already exist, not banning online gambling altogether (at worst at least for now).

    My main concern, and hopefully this will not become fact, is that groups that may have once been listed here do not take advantage of that fact and turn "shady" out of bitterness or just pure greed. I know I am taking a risk.

    I hope that one day this can all turn around and this industry someday becomes a booming one, including within the U.S. Maybe it is just wishful thinking, but one never knows...
     
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  32. Oct 16, 2006
  33. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    Here here. Don't go peeps! We'd miss you :thumbsup: Even Macguyver adds something :D
     
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  35. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
    Bierland
    One thing I need to reiterate: this does NOT affect US players in a negative way. Obviously US players are welcome to participate in the forum, and they can PAB all they want - and they'll get the same attention as everyone else. Some people are already misinterpreting what I have said (not here) as if I'm abandoning the US player. This is just total silly nonsense.

    If US players haven't a clue as to which casino to play at - even though it is not listed on this site - they can apply the "Before you join a casino" and "Never ever ever" advice given here:
    http://www.casinomeister.com/casinos.php

    Lest we forget "How to Spot a Rogue"
    http://www.casinomeister.com/casino_pick.php

    Or post their questions in the forum - or email/PM me. It's not rocket science :D
     
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  37. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    God, let's just hope they never ban Pinababy's area! :rolleyes:
     
  38. Oct 16, 2006
  39. Mousey

    Mousey Ueber Meister Mouse CAG

    Occupation:
    Pencil Pusher
    Location:
    Up$hitCreek

    I suppose I understand....


    But why do I feel like I did when I was 5 and my parakeet died?
     

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