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US Player (newbie) Needs your advice!!

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by aainsjen, Apr 11, 2007.

    Apr 11, 2007
  1. aainsjen

    aainsjen Dormant account

    Occupation:
    broker
    Location:
    NEW YORK
    Hi everyone! I just found this site and I absolutely love it! I especially love looking at everyones big wins! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
    But let me get to the point, not only do I live in the US, but in NY which is one of those dreaded states where online gambling in very illegal.
    With that said..I need some loop holes!
    I use to use Neteller for depositing but obviously thats gone, I have tried CC but they dont work.. SO I have read these boards that say maybe Ecocard is my best bet but Im looking to the opinion of my fellow friends here on what are my best options?
    Also I am a big fan of the migrogaming casinos, are any of them a bit better for me (being in NY). I have signed on to a couple of sites where they read my IP address and I am booted off there site. ( They dont want me at all) :mad:

    Thanks to all for the replies!!
     
  2. Apr 11, 2007
  3. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    Welcome Aainsjen :thumbsup:

    This is a bit of a catch22...if there is an answer, and anyone posts it, then it's out in the open and probably won't last long. And if they don't you can't play. And supposing you are from the DoJ masquerading as a player - LOL. Tricky ;)

    The official line might normally be that you are in a state where online gambling is illegal. However, I'm not sure that is actually true in NY - it seems to be covered by the 1961 wire act which is as grey as a winter's day when it comes to gambling online.

    That doesn't help does it? :D
     
  4. Apr 11, 2007
  5. tim5ny

    tim5ny Quit Gambling

    Intertops is your only MG option. And probably Western Union being your only deposit method.... with a $200.00 minimum and $22.00 fee.
     
  6. Apr 11, 2007
  7. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    ...ah well there you go, I'll get you his address ;)

     
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  8. Apr 11, 2007
  9. Da_Gambla

    Da_Gambla Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Code Monkey
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Hi Aainsjen -

    There are quite a few casinos that are still considered 'fair players' that cater to US players. That list shrinks substantially for states like NY (as you're obviously finding out). That kind of leads you into the mouths of the sharks, those casinos which are NOT trusted. You are really putting yourself at risk if you get desperate for a place to deposit. I'd recommend you play for fun, and there are plenty of casinos that allow for this (especially for US players).

    There have been reports that EcoCard is working, but as with anything else in this climate, is subject to change at any time without warning.

    Really, there's not much problem finding a way to get a deposit to a casino. The problems are getting cashouts. If you don't mind waiting through huge transitional periods, almost all of the reputable casinos will -eventually- get your cashout to you. If you don't have the patience of a saint, I'd again recommend you sit this out. Good luck, and welcome to the forums!

    - Keith
     
  10. Apr 12, 2007
  11. Allamericans

    Allamericans Dormant account

    Occupation:
    webmaster / gambler
    Location:
    Europe (Since october)
    NY Gambling laws

    Unfortunately, or luckily it is not as 'grey' as it seems to be:

    New York Consolidated Laws
    Sec. 5-401.

    Illegal wagers, bets and stakes. All wagers, bets or stakes, made to depend upon any race, or upon any gaming by lot or chance, or upon any lot, chance, casualty, or unknown or contingent event whatever, shall be unlawful.

    Sec 225.00 Gambling offenses; definitions of terms.

    The following definitions are applicable to this:

    1. "Contest of chance" means any contest, game, gaming scheme or gaming device in which the outcome depends in a material degree upon an element of chance, notwithstanding that skill of the contestants may also be a factor therein.

    2. "Gambling" A person engages in gambling when he stakes or risks something of value upon the outcome of a contest of chance or a future contingent event not under his control or influence, upon an agreement or understanding that he will receive something of value in the event of a certain outcome.

    3. "Player" means a person who engages in any form of gambling solely as a contestant or bettor, without receiving or becoming entitled to receive any profit therefrom other than personal gambling winnings, and without otherwise rendering any material assistance to the establishment, conduct or operation of the particular gambling activity.


    :mad:

    (Some people might not appreciate the following lines of text:)

    When you think about it, Driving too fast is illegal as well.. Heck, in some states it is illegal to even dance after two at night! And, also in NY! (Even in your own home.)

    This is a quote out of a ruling by the NY Surpreme court:

    Millions of people still decide to dance and drive too fast on a daily basis..

    Please do not get me wrong, I am not saying you should go and break any law.. What I am saying is that there must be ways around this if you wanted to. And, that it is to your own responsibility.

    I know it would be the most ethical way to tell you that you should not dance to fast, drive after two at night and not to gamble online since it is illegal where you live. Or was it the other way??

    I live in Europe now, and am Eager to help any American to continue with gambling online if they feel like it, whatever way possible :thumbsup:
     
  12. Apr 12, 2007
  13. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming

    Occupation:
    I do nothing productive
    Location:
    Hell on Earth
    Its illegal.

    Move out of the United States and give up your US citizenship if you want to gamble online legally.

    or

    You and your friends at the DOJ could start voting out of office all the politicos that have made this great past time activity illegal.
     
  14. Apr 12, 2007
  15. Allamericans

    Allamericans Dormant account

    Occupation:
    webmaster / gambler
    Location:
    Europe (Since october)
    And, dance at home after certain hours.. :)

    But, hey, it is ok to legally buy and own any leathal weapon you can find! Guns are fine in some parts of the USA as long as you do not dance and gamble.

    Well, Gambling is ok, as long as it is organized by the State. So, one could conclude that all is well as long as the State profits from it.

    I call it discrimination and a whole lot more nasty words. But justice or common sense does not come to my mind.

    :eek2:
     
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  16. Apr 12, 2007
  17. lojo

    lojo Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

    Occupation:
    Tradesman
    Location:
    USA
    Hey, in my state it's still not legal to hang a man with a wooden leg... they have to use a rope :D

    On the dire side there are still many puritanical victorian laws on the books, like blue sundays, etc. (illegal to buy or sell on sunday) and any sex act not intended for procreation is a felony... :what: but there are no state laws here against gambling; city codes and county ordinances only. And frankly I wouldn't care if there were. It ain't nobody's bidness but my own.
     
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  18. Apr 13, 2007
  19. aainsjen

    aainsjen Dormant account

    Occupation:
    broker
    Location:
    NEW YORK
    thanks

    Well thanks for all the replies. I was hoping to find out how to play again, not all the law crap. But some people have Pm'd me and I appreciate all the opinions and advice. I think this board is awesome and I wish I would of come upon it sooner!
     
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  20. Apr 13, 2007
  21. happygobrokey

    happygobrokey Dormant account

    Occupation:
    student of life
    Location:
    canada
    GROUP HUG!!!:D
     
  22. Apr 13, 2007
  23. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    Lol. That's what the police say when they need to handcuff multiple suspects at once - busted, HappyGo...it was you all along :D
     
  24. Apr 13, 2007
  25. happygobrokey

    happygobrokey Dormant account

    Occupation:
    student of life
    Location:
    canada
    one time on punk'd, they got napoleon dynamite and in real life he has a twin brother, them and some other people are out at a restaurant, and the punk'd boys stage a bust and they made everyone at the table hold hands, pretended they found drugs on somebody, and napoleon jon heder was like totally frightened, it was classic!
     
  26. Apr 13, 2007
  27. Pinababy69

    Pinababy69 RIP Lisa

    Occupation:
    Crusader
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario - Canada
    Sorry...I don't "do" group anything. One at a time. :D

    Gawd, I'm twisted.....sorry.
     
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  28. Apr 14, 2007
  29. footdr

    footdr Banned User: PITA violations of the Forum Rules

    Occupation:
    management
    Location:
    cyberspace
    N.Y. HAS A STATUTE BANNING INTERNET GAMBLING

    Since you live in a State with specific legislation making it illegal to gamble over the internet. I would advise that you do not Gamble over the internet.

    There have been cases in Louisiana, which also has such a law, were citizens have been arrested for gambling online.

    You would definately be breaking the law for Gambling online. This is a different law than the Federal Law, which prohibits banks, etc. from transfering funds to gambling sites.

    But obviously it is up to you,

    however, the DOJ in New York State seems to be hitting this hard and I would certainly not risk it if I lived in New York State.
     
  30. Apr 14, 2007
  31. silkprint

    silkprint Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Yup ...I work
    Location:
    Mass
    Good advice .
     
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  32. Apr 14, 2007
  33. Mousey

    Mousey Ueber Meister Mouse CAG

    Occupation:
    Pencil Pusher
    Location:
    Up$hitCreek
    I second that. Even for those who live outside the 11 'banned' states, deposits and payouts are such mazes of difficulty and uncertainty, that I advise any newbie to online gambling to just forget about it till (if) things settle down.

    By all means, visit with us here. Read the Complaints sections. Read the Industry News section. Go to the main website and read about the rogues, and read the
    recommended casinos section and FAQ so you can spot the good casinos and the iffy ones. Read, read, read, till your eyes bleed...
     
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