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Untamed series

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by LOOKAWAY, Dec 28, 2012.

    Dec 28, 2012
  1. LOOKAWAY

    LOOKAWAY Senior Wember PABnonaccred

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    You'll be pleased to know that you don't lose wilds when you change your bet.

    I'm guessing that it's for all 3 untamed slot's, only tried Panda so far.
     
  2. Dec 28, 2012
  3. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    That's either a new addition or a bug, because you used to lose your wilds. There's even a warning when you try to change your bet size.
     
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  4. Dec 28, 2012
  5. manuels58

    manuels58 Experienced Member

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    It's definitely a bug or some sort of malfunction, cause I tried Untamed Panda (at 32red) and I immediately lost my wilds when I changed my bet... and I don't believe it's different from casino to casino!
     
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  6. Dec 28, 2012
  7. LOOKAWAY

    LOOKAWAY Senior Wember PABnonaccred

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    I played 30 min's before I posted at Golden Lounge. No warning, didn't lose wilds. (Same group as 32 Red)
     
  8. Dec 28, 2012
  9. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    Was the fact that this slot has to be compensated ever discussed on this forum?
     
  10. Dec 28, 2012
  11. 09237653

    09237653 Meister Member

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    this cant be right, it has always reset them when i tried this (with a warning)
    1, grind all wilds at 30p
    2, change to 4.50
    3, profit?

    *edit* actually you're right changing stake on wolf pack on 32red no loss of wilds, bug maybe?
     
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  12. Dec 28, 2012
  13. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    I don't recall such a debate taking place.

    I'd be interested to hear your thoughts though Balth :)
     
  14. Dec 28, 2012
  15. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Oh we aren't going down this road again. THEY ARE ALL COMPENSATED!!!!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Anyway, the untamed series are, I quote, execrable.
     
  16. Dec 28, 2012
  17. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    Sorry old chap but I really don't agree, unless you're talking about all MG slots rather than all slots?

    I certainly don't believe NetEnt's slots are compensated in any way, or Jackpot Party's for that matter.
     
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  18. Dec 28, 2012
  19. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Especially MG slots........
     
  20. Dec 29, 2012
  21. 09237653

    09237653 Meister Member

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    just tested this properly, it doesnt work
     

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  22. Dec 29, 2012
  23. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    Well it's quite simple: if the slot wasn't compensated it wouldn't remember the previous spins and you'd have an equal chance to win any amount of money on every spin.

    Since the slot keeps the wilds in a bank, and you can't change your bet size without losing them, it means that your chances of winning aren't the same on every spin (ie: the more you play, the more you collect wilds, the greater your chance of winning). Therefore, the slot isn't random but compensated.

    If it was random, the RTP on each spin would stay the same and changing your bet size would be permitted.

    Saying that I'm not a fan of this kind of slot behaviour would be an understatement. Not only it sucks (IMO) to play a compensated slot, but it fuels the conspiracy theorists who believe that all slots "remember" your previous spins.
     
  24. Dec 29, 2012
  25. kktmd

    kktmd Senior Member

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    They have changed this behavior in the Flash version (instant casino)

    1. I get the wild reel at 0.30
    2. I change to 0.60 - looks like I get to keep my wild
    3. When I spin, then wild reel disappears (making me a sad panda)
    4. When I return to 0.30, I have my wild reel back

    It keeps track of my wilds at different bet settings.

    I still believe it changes the RTP to compensate previous wins/losses (but thats just me being paranoid).

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  26. Dec 29, 2012
  27. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Another way of looking at it:
    The slot is completely random (not "compensated"), and Microgaming are basically stealing money from players (in the form of RTP) by not saving the wilds for each bet size.
    Ever since these slots first came out I thought this aspect was grossly unfair to players. :mad:
    Maybe MG have realised now that ripping-off players is a pretty dumb thing to do and have started correcting this error... ?

    KK
     
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  28. Dec 29, 2012
  29. PaaskeDenmark

    PaaskeDenmark Always think positive CAG PABnoaccred webmeister

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    Seems like they have finally realized this yes. As Several playtech slots. Has same if you change coin size then anything saved will go away. But if you return to same coin size then they will be back. So you can switch between coin sizes (bets).
    I can't remember different slots to knackered today no sleep and just home from work hehe.
    But I think you know what I have mentioned. The slots where you can collect up to 4 symbols and then you get 5 free spins.
    Works bout same way :thumbsup:
     
  30. Dec 29, 2012
  31. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    I don't see how saving your wilds when you change your bet size makes this slot not compensated. Remember that your wilds are saved but you cannot "use" them with a different bet size.

    The reason why it's compensated is because you don't have the same chance of winning every time that you spin. If you've got 3 wilds saved on each reel, your RTP for the next few spins becomes a lot higher than if you have no wild saved at all. In other words, you need to "invest" money into collecting wilds in order to win big.

    This isn't pure randomness and this isn't how slots should work.
     
  32. Dec 29, 2012
  33. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    That's not really true either. You can play for a really long time with all those wilds and not hit anything.
    ...or you get four wilds on one wheel at a time that doesn't give anything, and suddenly you have no wilds and no winnings.

    If it's paying it's paying, but I have actually never seen the wilds as anything but eyecandy.
     
  34. Dec 29, 2012
  35. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    Are you saying that you have the exact same chance of winning on every spin regardless of the wilds in the bank? I once got 4 full wild reels in free money mode at the same time. The win that I got in one spin isn't possible to get unless you've got wild reels, and in order to get wild reels you need to invest into collecting wilds.

    Therefore, if you play the slot for the very first time, on your very first spin, you can't possibly get the same win. That's the important part here. That's all you need to know and it's not even open for debate.

    God damn I can't believe such an easy concept is so hard to understand.
     
  36. Dec 29, 2012
  37. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    True, but you can get the free spins on your very first spin on the game, so no matter how many wilds you collect you can both win and lose with them. Just the same as you have no clue if you will win small or big if you get the free spins.
    I see no difference there.

    It's not that I have a hard time understanding things. I maybe just don't see things the way you do:)
     
  38. Dec 29, 2012
  39. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    Ok so if the RNG "decides" that you win 700x stake, and you have no wild in the bank, it will trigger the free spins to give you that 700x stake? KK probably won't like this theory. :D

    The reason why it's not the case with this slot is because wild reels involve many independent paid spins. Say I get lucky and trigger the first 3 or 4 wild reels at the same time, I then get 4 high paid independent spins and each one of them require a return from the RNG. This isn't a "package" of one paid spin like the FS. The RNG have to remember that I have 3 or 4 wild reels triggered from previous spins, so the spin isn't random. I can't win 0.
     

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