Unshuffled deck pays big.

[IanO]

Hi all,

I was just sent this by a colleague and wondered what you would make of it . Should the players get to keep their money?

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And am I reading it wrong... or did a dealer deal 41 hands where the cards came up 'IN SEQUENTIAL ORDER' without figuring out why the players kept winning.

 

[anniemac]

Yes, and now the Golden Nugget wants their money back. LOL!

Seriously? Where was the pit boss when all this was going on? Security should have seen something. You know these folks were carrying on when they won.

 

[KotDaVinci]

Casinos always win!(?)

Like Robert has posted earlier at yahoo.eurosport : "Perhaps a one in a 1,000,000 billion
weird event took place and the cards were shuffled into perfect order !" And that would be the strongest point for the players' lawyer defence story - mathematical probability of such event. However, the advocate admits that the house "failed to provide shuffled cards". Now, if the casino proves that they must provide shuffled cards with undeterminate sequence they will put the lawyer in a hard-to-solve situation.
We all realize that the punters at the table in question took advantage from someone's blunder and tried to appropriate casino's (other people's) money. 'Casino always win' - the way we think and we never feel sorry for billioneers.
A spontaneous desire of 10-dollar players to accidentally get rich, to be able to pay the bills, buy a new house or car and go to Vegas to try another piece of luck is understandable. But if they win the case in the court will they still consider themselves honest people? Maybe, "in a 1.000.000 billion..."
The whole story stinks. As a former casino manager I can tell you some basic procedures that casinos normally stick to:
1) New cards are ALWAYS checked. Back side - for defects that can be noticable for players and used like natural marks when game will be in progress. Face side - for defects that make cards look untidy, or misprints, etc.
2) After inspection new cards are spread on the table in front of player(s). Both dealer and supervisor (or pitboss) should be present. The survey should be informed and get everything recorded. After dealer and inspector agree that all 52 cards in each deck with correct suits and face value are on the table the dealer turns the cards face down and begins to shuffle. After hand shuffle, the cards are put into the shoe (or shuffle-machine).
Casino must fulfill these simple rules to protect itself from possible accusation from players in missing (extra) cards etc.
On top of the story the deal between the casino and thier card supplier sounds absolutely unprofessional. Why should casino ask supplier to shuffle the cards before they rap em in cellophane? How can they trust the randomness in each deck? How come the card supplier accepted the deal knowing that since that time on they will never remain above suspicion in case of a big casino loss?
They are all ivolved in big money business, and I for one, do not believe in naive boys in there.

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

Security woke one of the guys and restrained him whilst searching his room?

Are they allowed to do that?

 

[cpdnd31]

OK I see a couple of red flags with this. I was Pit supervisor especially for Baccarat.

1. If i got a deck of preshuffled cards from supplier by law I would not be able to use. Each deck has to be broken open under surveillance video. Laid out in order, gone through physically for imperfections. Then they are washed( meaning spread out on the table and mixed in with each other then they are allowed to go into shuffler.

2. If cards were not being shuffled by machine- the minute the machine stops working a red light will light up. It informs surveillance and floor/pit/dealer something is up.

3. Why were they not watching this game? By law the minute a customer hits 7000 in winnings on any game you must call to surveillance and have them snap photo of said player. One penny over10,000 and they need to get and verify id of player-- this is federal income tax law. Casinos can receive big fines if this is not done.

This sounds like it was a inside job. I bet someone hit the reset switch on the deal machine and yes they have them. That or they put cards in machine when it closed it powered down and reopened the same cards just put in and the dealer did not catch it.

There are some really strange things to this story- especially pre-shuffled cards that one blows my mind.

 

[Pocketdiggers77]

The guy that was held in his room for 8 hours is about to double down and win. Am I reading this correctly? How did the dealer not notice the sequential cards? Perhaps they get in zombie mode from dealing cards all day and night. I know I would.

Bottom line, casino needs to pay everyone and pay the person they held prisoner in his room double. Settle it with the card supplier, and better yet, have your dealers shuffle the "pre-shuffled" cards.

 

[jetset]

OK I see a couple of red flags with this. I was Pit supervisor especially for Baccarat.

1. If i got a deck of preshuffled cards from supplier by law I would not be able to use. Each deck has to be broken open under surveillance video. Laid out in order, gone through physically for imperfections. Then they are washed( meaning spread out on the table and mixed in with each other then they are allowed to go into shuffler.

2. If cards were not being shuffled by machine- the minute the machine stops working a red light will light up. It informs surveillance and floor/pit/dealer something is up.

3. Why were they not watching this game? By law the minute a customer hits 7000 in winnings on any game you must call to surveillance and have them snap photo of said player. One penny over10,000 and they need to get and verify id of player-- this is federal income tax law. Casinos can receive big fines if this is not done.

This sounds like it was a inside job. I bet someone hit the reset switch on the deal machine and yes they have them. That or they put cards in machine when it closed it powered down and reopened the same cards just put in and the dealer did not catch it.

There are some really strange things to this story- especially pre-shuffled cards that one blows my mind.

This is a really interesting and informative post, for which many thanks cpdnd

 

[jstrike]

Thanks for the article. Amazing.

By far the biggest loss for the casino here will be the unlawful detention of an innocent player for 8 hours in his room. This isn't Vegas in the '50s or Nam. You can't just hold a guy incommunicado because he won at your casino. My bet is that settles out of court for a cool $2-3M, making that fella the big winner of the night. What an unbelievably stupid response.