Unauthorised Withdrawal from My Neteller Account

[Lestec]

Thats what I do if I leave the country, give them a bell and they take the IP lock off, when ya get back give them a bell and they put it back on.

However I have had a couple of "your account is closed" issues and its always been an IP issue (them being wrong)

They have assured me and I have had this happen, if your account is "closed" payments in do go in, however I cant speak for all other possibilities

Just my 2 cents worth

 

[spearmaster]

They know I travel. They know me personally, for that matter... LOL...

Anyhow, the block was lifted - with no explanation. Not very professional in my opinion. I shall see to it that their management is asked WTF that was all about.

 

[maxlevine]

A good part of the thread was about Neteller lack of security or questionable transactions. I'm happy to see they were zealous with someone they even know personally.

When I opened my account, I made sure they were going to give me a call if there was any doubt. Of course, I never leave money anywhere so it could be a useless precaution.

Max

 

[Casinomeister]

At this time, to ensure I receive unbiased comments, I will not nake the casino but this happened to me over the week.

At the weekend, I opened a casino account. Deposited via Neteller and received my bonus.

I withdrew a profit of 800. 3 days later, they paid me 200 (Dep) and 800.

The next day, and this is my gripe, they, without my consent, withdrew the 800 back from my neteller account. I was away until the weekend and had no email or anything from them. I wrote to them and they said that the payment was cancelled, please note the word CANCELLED.

I then phoned Neteller Security and spoke with them. They said it was not cancelled but was a Authorised Withdrawal that had come through with my Secure ID as well. They gave me a transaction number and everything about the transaction.

They have now asked me for ID. This is not the issue as it is no problem.

I am grossly concerend about this for a number of reasons.

The casino seem to feel they can charge my Neteller without my authorisation. If it was a credit card, I would demand a charge back, but apparrently Neteller do not.

The casino have stored my secure ID. This also causes concern regarding rogue members of staff/rogue casinos.

I look forward all comments

See what I miss out on when I go on vacation??

Haviton should have known better than to use this forum to post a knowingly false claim which in essence could be damaging to both Neteller and King Neptunes. I will investigate this. And as far as I know, Havington has not produced his "brother-in-law's" ID to the casino.

Havington has by the end of the business day to have this resolved. No, I take that back - I'll give you until lunchtime.

 

[Freudian]

See what I miss out on when I go on vacation??

Haviton should have known better than to use this forum to post a knowingly false claim which in essence could be damaging to both Neteller and King Neptunes. I will investigate this. And as far as I know, Havington has not produced his "brother-in-law's" ID to the casino.

Havington has by the end of the business day to have this resolved. No, I take that back - I'll give you until lunchtime.

Something good has come out of this thread for me. I mailed Neteller to have my secure ID changed. There are probably 50 casinos that may or may not have my secure ID stored. I have no intention of going back to play at these casinos since I am happy with poker and there is thus no reason these casinos (that for the most part I have no complaints about) should be able to do any transfers with my Neteller account.

So some basic online housecleaning was a good idea for me.

 

[Casinomeister]

Something good has come out of this thread for me. I mailed Neteller to have my secure ID changed. There are probably 50 casinos that may or may not have my secure ID stored. I have no intention of going back to play at these casinos since I am happy with poker and there is thus no reason these casinos (that for the most part I have no complaints about) should be able to do any transfers with my Neteller account.

So some basic online housecleaning was a good idea for me.

Good going, in fact everyone should request to change either their password or security number or both periodically.

As for Haviton...no response to my inquiries.

 

[Tdoggy]

don't think he will

Casinmeister looks like you will not get a response. He's been caught and was trying to fraud the casino. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a reply.

Changing your security code is always a good idea. I still have not done it, but will soon. Thanks for the reminder

 

[Simmo!]

This thread makes me feel like i'm standing outside a bar having a quiet drink when a fight spills out of the bar onto the pavement. Police arrive, everyone disperses, and thats the last you ever see of the guys throwing punches

 

[Vesuvio]

This thread makes me feel like i'm standing outside a bar having a quiet drink when a fight spills out of the bar onto the pavement. Police arrive, everyone disperses, and thats the last you ever see of the guys throwing punches

I think it's more a case of mutually assured destruction Neteller and on-line casinos can't be keen on having their relationship under too much of a spotlight.

 

[steven_wright]

i can't help but wondering if this is the same "haviton" who has admitted to advertising his "services" on betfair and other forums...a kind of service where he visits the houses of interested people, does casino sign-up bonuses under their names and then splits the profits...?

i wouldn't dream of accusing the "haviton" on this forum as been the "haviton" that i know about but that's one heck of a coincidence...

I'm just wondering if this is the same scooooot & dirk diggler i know from the Rpoints PRIVATE casino forum, yes guys apart from the main Rpoints where most of you get your bonus abusing info from, we have a private forum section. this is so we dont upset our affiliates, because we have to abide by certain guidelines to make sure we get our payments. But the private forums are no holds barred and we make a lot of money, especially through multiple accounts.

i wouldn't dream of accusing you two of being the same people that i know, but it's one heck of a conincidence.....

 

[linda7]

To Steven Wright:

In all actuality, your last name should be WRONG. I cannot believe that you, and those like you, are so desperate for money that you would have to corrupt this industry worse than it already is. I, PERSONALLY, HOPE EVERY DAMN CASINO TAKES AWAY THE BONUSES, OR MAKES THE WAGERING REQUIREMENTS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO MEET. Trust me casinos, gamblers are just that, gamblers. At first they will throw a hissy fit, but then they will come back and continue as if nothing happened.

THE ONLY THING WORSE THAN A FRAUDULENT CASINO, IS A FRAUDULENT PLAYER! YOU MAKE ME SICK! :icon_evil

 

[Casinomeister]

....this is so we dont upset our affiliates, because we have to abide by certain guidelines to make sure we get our payments. But the private forums are no holds barred and we make a lot of money, especially through multiple accounts...

DD a fraudster and multiple account holder?? Please say it ain't so!!!

I, PERSONALLY, HOPE EVERY DAMN CASINO TAKES AWAY THE BONUSES, OR MAKES THE WAGERING REQUIREMENTS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO MEET.

Well, the Casino Action group will fulfill your wishes.

By the way, Haviton is permanently banned from here for player fraud. This forum is not to be used as a tool to blackmail casinos or to cause harm to other businesses like Neteller. This player's "brother-in-law" failed to produce the requested documents, and Haviton has become mysteriously silent about the whole deal even though he's logging into the forum to check out this thread. Bye!

 

[blankley]

'THE ONLY THING WORSE THAN A FRAUDULENT CASINO, IS A FRAUDULENT PLAYER! YOU MAKE ME SICK!'

Maybe Steven Wright, Dirk Diggler & Scoooot don't agree with you and see themselves as freedom fighters against the evil dudes.

 

[Casinomeister]

'THE ONLY THING WORSE THAN A FRAUDULENT CASINO, IS A FRAUDULENT PLAYER! YOU MAKE ME SICK!'

Maybe Steven Wright, Dirk Diggler & Scoooot don't agree with you and see themselves as freedom fighters against the evil dudes.

Freedom fighters???! My ass! King Neptunes and Neteller are "evil dudes"?

I'm not pointing fingers here (except at Haviton) but fraudulent play is a serious issue, and fraudsters deserve every bit of condemnation a rogue casino would get. Linda7 has a point, fraudsters are just as bad as casino scum - they are part of the scum.

But a fraudster and a bonus whore are not the same thing. (still no fingers pointed ) A fraudster is one who commits "fraud". Whoring a bonus is a different animal. Haviton is a fraudster - DD, Scooooot, etc., haven't committed fraud as far as I know.

But its not like I dont keep track of things

 

[Tdoggy]

you may be right

You may be right but what about the player who is in the right "100%" like me who gets screwed by the casino??????? What about them????? Who just get left in the dark because some scumbag customer rep lies to them and tells them it's ok to play at the casino and everything will be fine?????

Yeah not fair at all.....Oh I got my deposit back but what about my 900 in winnings????? Just forget about it right.......

After this I got to say you know what.....For all those bonus hunters out there I hope they take casinos that "screw people" like me get taken for as much cash as possible!!!!!

 

[Casinomeister]

You may be right but what about the player who is in the right "100%" like me who gets screwed by the casino??????? What about them????? Who just get left in the dark because some scumbag customer rep lies to them and tells them it's ok to play at the casino and everything will be fine?????

Yeah not fair at all.....Oh I got my deposit back but what about my 900 in winnings????? Just forget about it right.......

After this I got to say you know what.....For all those bonus hunters out there I hope they take casinos that "screw people" like me get taken for as much cash as possible!!!!!

You're comparing apples to oranges. What happened in your case didn't involve player fraud. It's two different things.

This situation dealt with a player who committed fraud against a casino, got caught, and tried to blackmail the casino and damage Neteller's business with a load of crap posted here.

 

[Tdoggy]

ok but???

ok true but what happens to the casino that does wrong to the player???? This is my point....And the answer NOTHING! Once screwed by a casino you can't but help they get screwed! Who can blame me.....900 in winnings is a lot.....


I see your point Casinomeister. But what about my point? Not fair at all.....


Lets jump all over the player but not the casino????

 

[blankley]

Freedom fighters???! My ass! King Neptunes and Neteller are "evil dudes"?

I was certainly not referring to King Neptunes as evil but the 'online casino complaints' section here is never short of postings.

I'm just trying to understand scoot etc's point of view. Having both a public and private forum does make you think though

 

[Casinomeister]

I was certainly not referring to King Neptunes as evil but the 'online casino complaints' section here is never short of postings.

Evilness noted.

 

[Vesuvio]

For all those bonus hunters out there I hope they take casinos that "screw people" like me get taken for as much cash as possible!!!!!

I feel same even about the good on-line casinos - in fact in a way they're more dangerous as you're much more tempted to keep going back. When I'm losing the urge to "bonus whore" it just takes reading something like this morning's story on the BBC website to restore my sense of mission (to whore, not defraud!)

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Seriously, I'd be happy to see the on-line casino industry shut down, despite the fact it provides me with an income. The misery it spreads totally outweighs any pleasure it gives to a few people.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Just to clarify - no I'm not a multiple accounts holder of any sort and have NEVER comitted fraud at ANY online casino. I challenge ANYONE who says so to offer even the smallest amount of evidence.

All this is is a blatent attempt to discredit myself and Scoooot simply because WE ACTUALLY ARE AGAINST FRAUD and posted in this thread AGAINST HAVITON.

I must admit this is all a bit upsetting, to see someone sign up to purely make a single post to try to discredit yourself purely because you actually believe in the casinos right to not have to pay out fraudulant players isn't nice I can tell you.

 

[greedygirl]

The misery it spreads totally outweighs any pleasure it gives to a few people.

The misery is not spread by online gaming nor any gambling for that matter. The misery is created by the player, his/herself. As in any addiction, no one is force feeding the "drug of choice" (be it narcotics, nicotine, sex, food, liquor, etc.) into the addict's "mouth."

Should all casinos be shut down, land-based included? What about liquor? Prohibition? Perhaps we close down all McDonalds, as this will help prevent those prone to food addictions from further temptation?

At the end of the day, we are all responsible for ourselves. Addiction may or may not be a "disease"--this will always make for a debate. What I DO know, however, is that an addict can either get help or sink into the great abyss. Whichever way, it all comes down to choice and personal responsibility.

 

[Vesuvio]

All this is is a blatent attempt to discredit myself and Scoooot simply because WE ACTUALLY ARE AGAINST FRAUD and posted in this thread AGAINST HAVITON.

Fair enough, but just out of curiosity could you confirm or deny there's a private Rpoints casino forum where the posting restrictions aren't the same as those on the public forum?

 

[Dirk Diggler]

I can confirm there is NOT a private Rpoints casino forum where the posting restrictions aren't the same as those on the public forum - at least not that I'm aware of.

I'm a moderator at Rpoints and all the forums have the same restrictions about not posting about fraud of any kind.

 

[Vesuvio]

The misery is not spread by online gaming nor any gambling for that matter. The misery is created by the player, his/herself. As in any addiction, no one is force feeding the "drug of choice" (be it narcotics, nicotine, sex, food, liquor, etc.) into the addict's "mouth."

Should all casinos be shut down, land-based included? What about liquor? Prohibition? Perhaps we close down all McDonalds, as this will help prevent those prone to food addictions from further temptation?

I agree with what you say about responsibility, but with all of these things it's a cost-benefit analysis. Land-based casinos aren't as dangerous as on-line casinos because it takes that bit more time and effort to lose your money, and the player at least usually has a tangible experience to show for it. If you surveyed players leaving Las Vegas who lost I'm sure most would still have enjoyed their trip. If you surveyed players who lost at an on-line casino you'd find the opposite. Land-based casinos also employ a large number of people in themselves and related industries (food & accommodation etc.), so you can see some social benefits. You could still make a case for closing them, but not nearly as strong as for on-line casinos.

I know it comes down to personal choice and they're going to be around for a long time yet, but I'd personally rather live in a world without them