Ultimate Bet - superuser false alarm

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Hey, this is trambopoline from twoplustwo. I was the the one who made all of the original accusations. I got to say, I dont like that you labeled this as a 'false alarm.' This is anything but a false alarm. Just because I was tricked into believing that several of the emails were from Phil, that does not mean that this is not a case of several players clearly cheating on UB. If possible, please delete the emails that were confirmed to be fake and please change the title containing the words 'false alarm'. If you read all of the evidence against him and truly know all the facts of the case, its quite clear this is NOT a false alarm.
 
If you see any website advertising either one of these two cheating poker rooms... Don't support them, don't buy anything from them and don't use their links to register at any casinos....

Exactly. It is disgusting to see large affiliate portals still allowing this rogue group to be certified. One poker portal even tries to act like AP has completely fixed the situation and praises them for how they handled it. It is obviously pure greed and shows the only thing these groups care about is picking up sub affiliates. The only other excuse would be having little if any knowledge of the poker industry and thus being unable to comprehend how much the entire industry's reputation was hurt by AP/UB.

BonusWhores, Pokerlistings and family, Pocket 5's, 2+2 and of course CM are all portals that refuse AP advertising. These are among the bigger and more respected names in the industry.
 
I notice at CAP 121 of the last 127 Absolute Poker threads have been deleted. It is quite common for affiliates to take a loss on theses sites also.

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AP & UB present themselves as two different programs on CAP but they struggle to respond to the same questions, people keep asking for months.

Both sites have major tracking issues & its certainly no error. Its a scam, all the way through their business model. They will keep scamming until they fade out. Its a shame. They could have probably been up there with Stars if they hadnt just gone for the quick buck instead.

Some larger sites still push them (even after they knew about the internal cheating). Im sure they are getting paid a little extra but hopefully in the long run, karma will kick them in the ass.

Cheating mode

1) Player
2) Charity
3) Affiliate
4) Cheap shills
5) Failing to pay advertizers

I wonder if they have a mass of lower stake bots. I dont see why they wouldnt have thought of it. Blackjack, now that could be a great earner for them.


This managed to work its way into a clean thread


corpfan1 - Thread : Nice Gifts
I guess it was just for affiliates with high signups at AP...cause I know UB affiliates with lots of signups didn't get them...

But to the point of the previous 2 posts...I understand your pain, there should be an alternate method rather than player accounts.

We are workers, not players, and we shouldn't have to pay an $8 fee to get our payCHEQUE.

Plus, I know many affiliates with subs are still owed 4 months of backpay and counting.
 
I think CAP uses the prune function. Any thread w/o a post over a certain period of time (prob 30 days) is pruned. CAP was one of the sites I was talking about.

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Originally Posted by Professor
Trust me if its proven that they allowed a past or present employee to rig games or tournaments we WILL BARBECUE THEIR ASS.

The last thing our industry needs is a scandal like this to make players uncomfortable about playing. We are taking this VERY seriously.

Now they don't seem to care after AP finally admitted it. AP is still certified and pushed on their site and PAP.
 
Lol, nice barbecue. I hope they didnt mean they would share a meal at their members expense.


It must be selective pruning

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Looking at 32Red, they dont have any threads deleted. It seems to only be AP who chose this option
 
Lol, nice barbecue. I hope they didnt mean they would share a meal at their members expense.


It must be selective pruning

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Looking at 32Red, they dont have any threads deleted. It seems to only be AP who chose this option

Pretty interesting....I think 2005 is over the 30 day mark...which kills the idea that they auto-prune.
 
Once more it's the players who uncovered this.
It was determined and diligent individuals (some of whom are on this site) who did the detective work to expose the AP cheating scandal, what the hell are the AP and UB security departments doing? (Answer: not much), particularly considering they have direct access to the servers and raw data. It beggers belief that they couldn't spot something untoward going on.
I wonder what action the KGC would have taken against any operation other than AP or UB who use the reservation servers? Probably a lot more than a financial slap on the wrist.
I think enough really is enough this time.
If this were a Vegas casino under NGC federal juristiction the doors would now be locked until a FULL, open and transparent investigation were completed. From the owners, to the KGC, to the offices of AP and UB in Costa Rica, this whole thing stinks...again.
 
I wonder what action the KGC would have taken against any operation other than AP or UB who use the reservation servers? Probably a lot more than a financial slap on the wrist.

I wonder if Kahnawake has any powers other than collect a $15,000 application fee and $10,000 annual license. They appear to do nothing other than hand out recomendations. Their ability to do so is in question.

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The KGC ( Kahnawake Gaming Commission ) have have screwed themselves.

Their lack of enforcement of even the most basic rules and their excessive greed have marked them as untrustworthy in the gambling world.

Everyone was watching how the KGC handled the Absolute Poker cheating scandal and no one was happy with the outcome... (Except for Absolute Poker)

The KGC has proven by their actions they can not be trusted after giving Absolute Poker a free pass for cheating and helping Absolute Poker to cover up the cheating. (OK the KGC fined Absolute Poker $500K, but all they really did was move the money from one pocket to another, if they were being real they should have given the fine money to gamblersanonymous.org )

If the KGC would have handled the Absolute Poker issue with resolve, openness and honesty, they would likely have been allowed to advertise in the UK and the legal beagles would not be prosecuting their licensee's right now.

But the KGC's own actions have shown them to be greedy and dishonest.

And now the KGC is ignoring strong evidence that Ultimate Bet is cheating in the exact same way that Absolute Poker was cheating.

As far as this latest cheating accusation against Ultimate Bet.....Don't expect anything but more cover up from the KGC.
 
Are you kidding me UB?

Want to see some further UB sick stuff? Head over and read this thread at 2+2. The opening post is really all you need to know:

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Found an interesting quote of Phil Hellmuth in his book "Play Poker like the pros" page 339:
"The next Step UltimateBet.com
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Finding a steady source of income sounded pretty good to me, since I knew that I could potentially lose all my money on any given day. The swings can drive a person toward insanity! As the old pros say: "Poker is a tough way to make an easy living."
 
I think CAP uses the prune function. Any thread w/o a post over a certain period of time (prob 30 days) is pruned. CAP was one of the sites I was talking about.

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Now they don't seem to care after AP finally admitted it. AP is still certified and pushed on their site and PAP.

For some reason that thread was locked with some serious misinformation in it. :rolleyes:
 
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It would seem it was not a false alarm.

"Following complaints from players, UltimateBet has confirmed that it has found evidence of abnormal playing activity at its online poker site.
UltimateBet and its licensing authority, the Kahnawake Gaming Commission (KGC), were alerted on January 12th to allegations that a player with the online handle NioNio exhibited abnormally high winning statistics, resulting in accusations that the player had an unfair advantage during play.

The allegations also included reports of suspicious activity concerning the deletion of the NioNio account and other accounts that may have been related to the cheating.

UltimateBet says it immediately called in an independent third-party expert to review hundreds of thousands of hand histories, all of which were promptly locked down and made available to the expert.

The company went on to say: The initial findings of our third-party expert confirm that the NioNio accounts winning statistics were indeed abnormal, and we have expanded the investigation to look into whether an unfair advantage existed, how such a scheme might have been perpetrated, and whether additional accounts beyond those of NioNio were involved.

The investigation has proven to be extremely complex and, therefore, has been more extensive and taken much longer than initially expected. We continue to aggressively pursue the matter and will communicate the findings of our full investigation to our regulatory authority and to our customer base as soon as practicable.

UltimateBet is owned by Tokwiro Enterprises enrg. and headed by the former Grand Chief of the Mohawk Territory of Kahnawake, Jo Norton. The company also owns AbsolutePoker.

Earlier this year the KGC fined AbsolutePoker $500,000 following an investigation into similar cheating allegations. In that case, the perpetrator(s) were found to have used a backdoor in the poker software which enabled them to view other players hole cards.

The fact that Tokwiro Enterprises is again at the centre of cheating allegations will come as a significant blow to the company as well as the Kahnawake Gaming Commission, whos investigation of AbsolutePoker was labelled a whitewash due to its lack of detail and limited financial penalty.

If these latest allegations are substantiated, the KGC will have little option but to impose a significant enough penalty to deter such activity in the future and to maintain its authority as a credible licensing jurisdiction"
 
This looks like a long-running cover-up to me (please see Post # 1 in this thread) and I am surprised that 911 has not reported it as the main channel for Absolute in the previous mess - especially in light of the current info from Gambling Compliance.

So closely associated with the Absolute Poker debacle it must surely embarrass the KGC as well as Tokwiro.

As the word spreads it will certainly impact business at Ultimate and whatever Absolute has managed to claw back.

I can't find any press release reference to this on the UB website or the KGC website, and I can't locate a Tokwiro website. So presumably the company comments in the GC article were made direct and exclusively to that medium - more evidence of a less-than-open approach.

Great find, PA :thumbsup:
 
I can't find any press release reference to this on the UB website or the KGC website, and I can't locate a Tokwiro website. So presumably the company comments in the GC article were made direct and exclusively to that medium - more evidence of a less-than-open approach.

They did send a statement to Two Plus Two Publishing, which posted it
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"UltimateBet is owned by Tokwiro Enterprises enrg. and headed by the former Grand Chief of the Mohawk Territory of Kahnawake, Jo Norton."

I find it amazing that GIG and others apparently believe that. And they didn't even get the claim right: he actually claimed to be owner (not just head) of Tokwiro, owner Absolute/UB.
 
I have to wonder if the AP/UB mess has anything to do with KGC getting turned down for whitelisting.

I hope so - it would be a welcome indication that the Brit authorities are watching what's happening in the industry and applying that knowledge to ensure better safety.

@ Self Made - thanks for the info on UB posting on 2+2 - that's probably where GC got it, and I missed it.

Still, you would think in a big deal like this UB-Tokwiro would have felt obliged to issue a more public press release....if they are on the up-and-up!
 
Will UltimateBet also feature in upcoming "60 Minutes" expose?

ANOTHER 60 MINUTES SHOW ON INTERNET GAMBLING IN PROSPECT

Popular investigative television program asking questions regarding the Absolute Poker scandal

Top online poker bloggers, posters and writers are predicting that the popular US television investigative program "60 Minutes" could be about to launch an expose on the Absolute Poker cheating scandal (see previous InfoPowa reports). The program, which has a viewership in the millions, has previously covered online gambling in 2001, 2005 and 2006...and not always in the most positive terms.

Top blogger and 2+2 contributor Nat Arem, who made a major contribution in investigating and exposing the Absolute Poker.com affair which resulted in the company paying a $500 000 fine to the Kahnawake Ga,ming Commission that regulates the company, wrote on his blog Nat Arem.com that he has known about the new story for some weeks but had respected the confidentiality requested by the 60 Minutes producer. However, as several other poker information websites had picked up on approaches to industry personalities made by the producers, he would reveal what he knew.

"A few weeks ago, I was contacted by 60 Minutes in conjunction with a reporter from the Washington Post regarding a story about the Absolute Poker scandal from last fall," Arem wrote. "I was told that they wanted Adanthar (another 2+2 investigator) and myself for on-camera interviews with Steve Kroft. I later found out they were also interested in interviewing Michael Josem and Marco Johnson.

"Basically, I spent a little while on the phone with the producer and the Washington Post reporter and recapped the whole story as well as I could from memory. I talked about my involvement and contribution, along with all the other people who were involved.

"After that conversation, I found out that 60 Minutes plans on going to a number of different locations. Ive heard that Canada, Costa Rica and Las Vegas are all possible travel locations. I may or may not be meeting up with 60 Minutes in Costa Rica, if and when they come down. Theres also the possibility that I will end up on-camera in Atlanta.

"In terms of agenda, Ive been told that the goal is to tell the story from soup to nuts. I dont really know if that means a negative agenda for online poker, but I get the feeling that it might.

"That means that this story is unlikely to be a good thing for online poker on the whole. I wish that programs like 60 Minutes would always tell the whole story (ie, get PokerStars involved, explain why some sites are secure and clean, etc), but I cant really be sure that will happen.

"If I do end up on-camera, I will be sure to explain that this scandal was online pokers Enron ie, the biggest and worst scandal in the history of the industry. It is not a commonplace occurrence and people should not take it as such.

In terms of the certainty that this will get on the air Im not sure. Ive been told that its definitely happening. But, considering that it has not been shot yet, anything is possible. And if it does end up on the air, I have no idea when that will be or what the 60 Minutes airing schedule looks like."

Several other poker writers have been approached by 60 Minutes, Tom Somach reported, observing that with another online poker cheating scandal breaking this time the allegations against Absolute sister poker website Ultimate Bet its a sure bet the 60 Minutes piece wont just address the Absolute Poker situation.

Infopowa has covered the Ultimate Bet story, which appears to have gone very quiet in recent weeks.

The story about the Absolute Poker debacle, initially denied and then confirmed as an "insider issue" involving a "consultant" alleged by other sources to be one Alan John Grimaud, a Canadian citizen who disappeared from public view in the wake of the issue, is likely to make fascinating television. It has all the elements for a penetrating expose; big money, high technology, Internet gambling, mysterious figures in the background, unresolved questions and some expert detective work by the poker-playing community.
 
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