UKGC vs UK Gambling - "New rules boosting safety and consumer choice"

[09237653]

150 a month? can do that in a day even as a minimum stake player.

 

[Jono777]

150 a month? can do that in a day even as a minimum stake player.

So kind of fits perfectly with their other useless and absurd decisions and rules

 

[TheAddict]

It's ok guys. btg released that 1p minimum stake game to cater to UK bonanza addicts who are worried they will now not get enough time in their life to witness their peice of potential.

 

[jasonuk]

150 a month? can do that in a day even as a minimum stake player.

I don't think that's unreasonable for a soft credit check though - when recent surveys suggest a third of the adult population have less than £1000 in savings. As long as your credit rating hasn't been trashed then you would hope there is little friction, and if it has then the questions are understandable. It's the lowest level check and intended to be minimal, the higher limits will be where the traditional paperwork chases come in - although those will be adjusted after the review period.

Alternatively, do a Boris Becker and be a bankrupt celebrity promoting poker sites - no conflict of interest there, nope, no-sir, none at all...

I'm sure many people would prefer no checks at all, but even if the UKGC didn't implement them, other regulations like AML would. The big win here is hopefully clarity - no spurious paperwork checks, no slow-pay of withdrawals due to "regulations" that aren't applicable. Obviously we have to see this in practice, and there could be unintended consequences even at this level.

 

[09237653]

one problem is casinos only ever assume you will lose, the concept of winning is never a factor, sure i deposited £300 in three days but I won £900 last week so I'm still up 600.

 

[Reelsoffun]

one problem is casinos only ever assume you will lose, the concept of winning is never a factor, sure i deposited £300 in three days but I won £900 last week so I'm still up 600.

But that’s where net deposits comes into play, in that case you would still be able to deposit after the 300.

 

[09237653]

But that’s where net deposits comes into play, in that case you would still be able to deposit after the 300.

do any casinos factor that into their limits then? when i win big my limits remain the same.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Some do, some don’t, but the wording from UKGC is net so that’s what I expect all casinos will star to use or it would actually cost them more custom in the long run, if players can’t spend their winnings back in the same month.

 

[jasonuk]

do any casinos factor that into their limits then? when i win big my limits remain the same.

Yes, net deposit limits are quite common. Some will offer net (includes withdrawals), some will offer gross (excludes withdrawals) and some will offer both net and gross.

I was fortunate enough to have a decent withdrawal last month at a casino that uses net deposit calculations, and thus the full amount was included in my limit for the next 30 days - I have the restraint, I can understand that some would not.

Some do, some don’t, but the wording from UKGC is net so that’s what I expect all casinos will star to use or it would actually cost them more custom in the long run, if players can’t spend their winnings back in the same month.

Indeed, and it works both ways.

Gross deposit limits give you a rigid control of deposits, but can introduce a perverse incentive to leave funds in the account for another day because you can't "replace them".

Net deposit limits are more flexible, but at a higher responsibility because you can potentially deposit (and lose) all of the winnings back without question. Additionally, if using a rolling window you can get "deposit shocks" where a large withdrawal drops out and then you can't deposit at all for a period of time - which can be particularly annoying if it impedes a time-sensitive promotion (remember those? good times).

 

[bamberfishcake]

Because of this low limit coming into play, I feel compelled to deposit and play way above my pay grade.

Feel like time is running out for me to score a max win and I am tempted to go all in each month before the deadline passes.

I've stopped paying bills and already cut back on shopping to compensate. I visit the shops at 5 each day and buy all the stuff that's going out of date - we don't eat like we used to but what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, right?

If I develop a gambling problem as a result of stress and unexpected pressure imposed by the UKGC, do you think they could be held responsible? After all, I need looking after, and am not smart enough to make my own decisions so, therefore, cannot be held accountable for my actions when I am not pulling the strings.

They have sure made me anxious. For those that don't know, 'anxiety' is an incurable viral disease that you can catch from others that take you outside of your comfort zone - if you catch anxiety, it's really hard to get rid of, they can only treat not cure, and you can get PIP payments that pay more than minimum wage in the UK.

I may need to visit the doctor to see if I can get some kind of disability allowance to compensate for UKGC pressures, which I can totally gamble on scratchcards at the local shop without fear of catching the anxiety virus.

 

[Ant1975]

What else can we expect from a country that spent decades forbidding people from buying a drink after 10:30pm on a Sunday, (and using undercover cops to enforce it,) and one that practically turns a blind eye to shoplifting and burglary but threatens it's citizens with hefty fines and imprisonment should they dare to watch a 3pm football match on the Internet.
I moved to over to crypto 3 years ago now because of the inability to make my own choices when gambling, and should that fall through, then I won't be going back to regulated. I'll just quit completely.

 

[satchnz]

Because of this low limit coming into play, I feel compelled to deposit and play way above my pay grade.

Feel like time is running out for me to score a max win and I am tempted to go all in each month before the deadline passes.

I've stopped paying bills and already cut back on shopping to compensate. I visit the shops at 5 each day and buy all the stuff that's going out of date - we don't eat like we used to but what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, right?

If I develop a gambling problem as a result of stress and unexpected pressure imposed by the UKGC, do you think they could be held responsible? After all, I need looking after, and am not smart enough to make my own decisions so, therefore, cannot be held accountable for my actions when I am not pulling the strings.

They have sure made me anxious. For those that don't know, 'anxiety' is an incurable viral disease that you can catch from others that take you outside of your comfort zone - if you catch anxiety, it's really hard to get rid of, they can only treat not cure, and you can get PIP payments that pay more than minimum wage in the UK.

I may need to visit the doctor to see if I can get some kind of disability allowance to compensate for UKGC pressures, which I can totally gamble on scratchcards at the local shop without fear of catching the anxiety virus.

You had me going there for a bit until I came across a sentence you wrote which contained both the words “UKGC” and “responsible”… ?

 

[slot_zombie]

For all the excessive hand wringing and nannying over online gaming, there was a video uploaded this week on the K9 Fruits channel, the bloke lost 3 grand in a couple of hours playing FOBT purple bags on Action Bank in an Admiral arcade.

No member of staff intervened.

No-one from the UKGC seems to care about the Light & Wonder 'bags' costing up to £50 (on average) for a set of 5 base game spins and skirting merrily around the £2 max stake. But seen many horror stories of players putting in up to £800 and not even getting a spin of the reels if the bags go on a mental losing run.

 

[bamberfishcake]

No-one from the UKGC seems to care about the Light & Wonder 'bags'

To say 'I wonder why'? is not only thought-provoking but also a Dad-joke pun

 

[Bryan Llewellyn]

Bamb. I know what you mean, they really should leave the kids alone. But they will never do that. The shit that goes on behind classroom doors is frightening, some of the stories I've read and the pictures I've unfortunately seen of classrooms, well, I wouldn't send my child to a public school if I had one, no sir.
Just make sure your kids go with their gut feeling, and, show them this (below) if they ars still unsure of how to think due to the bombardment of nose peirced pink haired teachers forcing such bullshit down their throats behind closed doors

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all thats missing here is the big club.

 

[jasonuk]

No-one from the UKGC seems to care about the Light & Wonder 'bags' costing up to £50 (on average) for a set of 5 base game spins and skirting merrily around the £2 max stake. But seen many horror stories of players putting in up to £800 and not even getting a spin of the reels if the bags go on a mental losing run.

They're not skirting around the rules, pre-gambles have been in the regulations for at least a couple of decades (section 6.6 of the legacy technical standard refers to a "pre-game gamble", as does section 5.13 of the FOBT technical standard), and impose a number of additional regulations. One of which is that:

5.13d) pre-gambles must be transparent in that they must be at natural odds, the player must get what he sees, and there must be no form of compensation or payment or retention of winnings in the event that a short or long series of game outcomes falls outside that which might be normally expected;

Obviously they were introduced as a way to continue enhanced "big bets" spins by the back door, although a 1 in 25 shot - much like roulette - can have a horrendous tail to the curve and go hundreds and hundreds of spins without landing. Additionally, plenty of stories of people waiting ages to get one, and then win peanuts.

Just to give some idea of the binomial distribution (p=0.04):

	Zero Sets	One Set	Two Sets	Three Sets	Four+ Sets
25 spins / £50	36.0%	37.5%	18.8%	6.0%	1.7%
50 spins / £100	13.0%	27.1%	27.6%	18.4%	13.9%
100 spins / £200	1.7%	7.0%	14.5%	19.7%	57.1%

Given how quickly they can go wrong... it's one way to increase the tilt-o-meter...

 

[Guntis]

If i was the UKGC, i would ban all those so called pre-gambles for good. They are extremely bad, in my opinion, and seem like pure scams. Once, i was playing roulette in those arcades, and before having a normal spin, just after placing a bet, i had to gamble to have a spin. So, i lost £70 in a few gambles and never saw even one normal roulette spin.