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UK to block all online porn later this year

Discussion in 'The Attic' started by Balthazar, Jul 22, 2013.

    Jul 22, 2013
  1. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    ...and you pervs will have to "opt in" if you want to have access to porn.

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    UK proves once again that its trying hard to be the biggest nanny state in the Western world. You can't supervise your kids? Don't worry, the government is there for you. You're an adult and want porn? No problem, just ask permission. The more dependent to the State the better.

    Also I wonder what is their definition of "extreme pornography". Seems a bit vague to me, considering that it will be a crime to watch it.
     
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  2. Jul 22, 2013
  3. just play

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    I think it's a good idea if there's children in the home. But if adults have no children at home, then wtf? The reason I say this is, parents always leave their children alone in the home at one time or another, or even everyday for a few hours before they get home from work. When children get to a certain age, supervision gets smaller and smaller, I for one wouldn't want my 11 year old daughter watching some of this porn, or any porn for that matter. I'm far from a prude, but that shouldn't be watched by young children. If she's in her mid to late teens that might be a different story.

    Unless there is a way to block that from the computer, like we can control our tv? Times have changed in the porn industry, there are things that are done that just weren't done 20 years ago (unless I didn't notice, haha) You should see the things young boys talk about these days (according to my 23 yr old daughther) I don't want to write them here cuz they are quite gross.
     
  4. Jul 22, 2013
  5. JackTenOff

    JackTenOff Webmaster webmeister

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    I can almost guarantee that whatever system the government puts inplace to block porn it will be incredibly easy to work around for the average kid, just look at how well the block on piratebay worked.
     
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  6. Jul 22, 2013
  7. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    You can apply those filters in your own home, there's no need for government intervention here. Adults will have to call their ISP: "Hello, this is Mr. Jones, could you please unblock pornography on my account? I feel a little lonely tonight..."

    I wouldn't care to call them, but a fair number of people will be too embarassed to do it.

    I don't know what kind of kool-aid the UK population has been drinking, but it seems that no one over there gives two shits about anything anymore. (Other than some royalty having babies, that is. Because that's important.)

    Oh well, not my fight anyway...
     
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  8. Jul 22, 2013
  9. just play

    just play closed account

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    Ohhhh...ok then wtf is their problem? :laugh:


    Maybe they should tell people (like me who have no idea about technology, lol) they CAN control it, instead of doing what they are doing then. :rolleyes:
     
  10. Jul 22, 2013
  11. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    Why would they do that? So the people would take their own responsibilities instead of giving more power to the State? No way.
     
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  12. Jul 22, 2013
  13. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    That's not how it works over here really: you are able to adjust your settings through your ISP's online account login mostly.

    I am in two minds over this. Firstly I think in principle it's a good idea because I am one of those who believes there is a normalisation process going on which isn't right. The press are partly to blame because sex/nudity etc sells units. So it's not about banning pron and stopping people getting at it (as you say, if people really want something they can find it anyway) , it's about ensuring sexual imagery, most notably violent and subversive sexual imagery, doesn't get normalised (I also think the gambling industry need to be careful with social stuff for that matter too or they could find themselves under the same levels of scrutiny some day)

    Conversely I think it's a bit like using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut and I agree that the minute you start censorship, you've set the ball rolling. Look at the USA and in particular Kentucky - if they can't censor your website they confiscate it! I'd hope that level of nannyism won't happen over here.

    There's probably no ideal answer that will keep everyone happy. It's a brave decision by the Government, one I'm not entirely sure right now, but I think when people look back they will realise that in fact it wasn't actually that bad an idea, as long as they don't abuse the precedent it's setting.


    PS. Don't forget that Google already does this..."safe search" is defaulted to "on".
     
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  14. Jul 22, 2013
  15. Redbet-Andy

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    I'm very much a libertarian in almost all ways but as long as the definition of "extreme" is a good one then I'm all for this.
    The fact is that there are some forms of pornography that just have no right to exist, and can not exist without causing extreme mental or physical harm to their subjects. If they are banned and people can't get their fix of those types of images/videos then boohoo I'm gutted for them.

    If, and it's a big if, the government can stop people being exposed to that kind of stuff (even if they choose to be) then for once you can put me down for a bit of Nannying from the state.
     
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  16. Jul 22, 2013
  17. mrmark21

    mrmark21 Meister Member

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    Blocking porn will just give the officials a key whole to start censoring all sorts of content on the internet. Anything. A nannied country is an uninformed country.

    Wouldnt a concern be that blocking certain types of porn (simulated rape) could mean an increase in the real thing as sickos wouldnt have another outlet?
     
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  18. Jul 22, 2013
  19. HIGHIQ

    HIGHIQ Banned User : misrepresentation and PAB abuse PABnoaccred2 PABnoaccred

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    now u can focus on the gambling :)

    and the pokergames will be played faster now...
     
  20. Jul 22, 2013
  21. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    "Good one" is extremely subjective. Rape simulation could be a "good one" today and simple nudity could become a "good one" tomorrow. Just remember that you are opening the door.


    If the subjects are physically or mentally tortured, I'm confident that you guys already have laws against that.

    It's another one of those useless "feels good" law to add on top of the pile. Don't you have enough laws and restrictions already?
     
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  22. Jul 22, 2013
  23. Redbet-Andy

    Redbet-Andy Dormant account - New account: AndyB-MrGreen

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    Yeah, we can be pretty bad at times.
    We do let people gamble online though! ;) Sorry cousins!
     
  24. Jul 22, 2013
  25. mrmark21

    mrmark21 Meister Member

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    Jones town kool aid at least that's what the officials are selling. Packaged in recycled plastic ;)

    The more power you give to these officials, the less freedom you have. Exactly what they want. But thats just my opinion.
     
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  26. Jul 22, 2013
  27. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    Rest assured that I wasn't saying that because I thought we were great! We aren't. We also have citizens constantly asking for more laws so they can feel more secure.

    That said, internet censorship is the worst censorship and I hope we won't go down that path anytime soon. I'm not feeling too confident, though.

    Spied on and censored "for our own good", like young children, because us peasants can't use the internet without supervision.

    It really saddens me when I read or hear people supporting internet censorship. :(
     
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  28. Jul 22, 2013
  29. bsilva028

    bsilva028 Banned : multi-account fraudster PABnoaccred PABaccred

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    i am not in the UK
    but an opinion? i think people should be responsable for what they let the kids do, see, etc or not

    may be any day the UK government will say "we will put cams in people´s houses to check if they watch pornography to we can watch together with them" lol
     
  30. Jul 22, 2013
  31. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    We already have internet censorship because of powerful commercial interests. Many websites that are visible to US citizens are blocked here in the UK. It has nothing to do with protecting us, and all to do with pandering to powerful interests who want to give something away free to US citizens, but don't want UK citizens to have any kind of access, even if they are willing to pay.

    All this is doing is extending censorship into the realm of protecting people from content deemed dangerous by the state. It's not much different to the US censorship of information about gambling, started by the governor of Kentucky, and the Chinese censorship of anything that might trigger discontent among the masses over the current single party state system of government. Each state sees a danger in the content they censor, but each state sees danger in different types of content.

    It won't work in the long term, as for the average teenager, this will be seen as authority laying down a challenge that has to be met. The blocks on sites like Pirate Bay were easy to overcome, and if teenagers want to watch porn, they will simply do what they are already doing about Pirate Bay.

    It could lead to a situation where parents supervise even less in the belief that their ISP is doing the filtering.

    What SHOULD be done is to produce filter software designed with an interface that is easy to use for parents, and make it compulsory for ISPs to include it as part of even the lowest tier of internet. The current situation is that whilst such filters are available, they are a "premium service" that is often not included in the basic packages, or they have artificial restrictions like my ISP, where only 3 devices are permitted to run the software in any one household, which means having to choose which 3 of all the devices connected will be protected, ensuring that the average teenager merely has to count past three to determine whether an unfiltered device might be available to them. It's likely to be something a parent overlooks, such as a games console, rather than the family PC and the one in their kids bedroom.
     
  32. Jul 22, 2013
  33. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    I can't watch most videos on BBC.uk but I don't call that censorship because it's not. You pay big bucks for the BBC, I don't. Therefore you can watch them and I can't. Same with the US, except that it's advertisers' money instead of public money. Can't compare that with government censorship. At all.


    Why why why why whyyyyy? Why do you want to involve the state? That's such a weird auto-destructive mentality. How about letting the parents deal with their children? Like your mom did with you when you were young? If you can afford a computer and the internet, surely you can afford to buy a filter if you feel like you need one? Your child isn't everyone's responsability, it's YOUR responsability.
     
  34. Jul 22, 2013
  35. bsilva028

    bsilva028 Banned : multi-account fraudster PABnoaccred PABaccred

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    strange things there

    here in portugal if you want to block some kind of sites you must contact your isp or do it manually in "modem / router" configurations
     
  36. Jul 22, 2013
  37. elrudo

    elrudo Experienced Member

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    Great idea to block online porn, back to magazines just like we had when we were young :cool:
     
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  38. Jul 22, 2013
  39. mathsboy1975

    mathsboy1975 Senior Member webmeister

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    To be honest this is probably just a stunt to attempt to win votes but to be fair I think it is not a bad thing. IMO it is not a bad thing to change the law to make it more difficult for individuals to access really sick pornographic imagery. I am not old and I am not young but I do feel that in this country has been in moral decline for some years now. For all the good things that the internet provides, there are still many bad things and attempts to stamp on the dark and negative aspects of the net should be applauded if you ask me.
     
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