UK teen banned from US for pricking who? what?

[felicie]

War against truth: UK teenager banned from U.S. for life for calling Obama a prick
September 13, 2010 · 59 comments

Barack Obama’s supporters have called him The Greatest President In History, The Most Intelligent President In History, and now they can add The Most Thin-Skinned President In History.

Luke Angel, a 17-year old British teenager has been banned from America for life for calling President Obama “a prick” in an email to the White House.

The Sun UK has the details:


17-year old Luke Angel is a bad boy. An honest bad boy.
The FBI asked local cops to tell college student Luke Angel, 17, his drunken insult was “unacceptable.”

Angel said he fired off a single email criticizing the U.S. government after seeing a TV program about the 9/11 attacks.

He said, “I don’t remember exactly what I wrote as I was drunk. But I think I called Barack Obama a p***k. It was silly — the sort of thing you do when you’re a teenager and have had a few.”

Angel, of Bedford, in central England, said it was “a bit extreme” for the FBI to act. “The police came and took my picture and told me I was banned from America forever. I don’t really care but my parents aren’t very happy.”

A Bedford Police spokesman confirmed they had spoken to Angel about the email. Officers will take no criminal action.

We say shame on Angel. He should not have called President Obama a prick. The proper terminology is socialist prick.

Just a little advice for young Luke: If you ever change your mind and decide you do want to visit the United States, no problem. Just fly to Mexico first and walk across the border illegally. President Obama will then greet you warmly, offer you free medical care, a job and citizenship.

Source: MyFoxDC

Dont forget the dance lessons.

 

[GrandMaster]

I presume that we will never see the actual text of the e-mail, but it was described as "an email to the White House full of abusive and threatening language". I thought you did not like immigrants, so why are you not pleased he got banned from entering the US?

 

[maphesto]

Of course the boy is a risk factor. Which drunk teenage boy in his right mind would do a thing like this?

A "normal" drunk teenager would have stolen cars, robbed old people, made girls pregnant and puked their inside out.

 

[slotplayer]

I presume that we will never see the actual text of the e-mail, but it was described as "an email to the White House full of abusive and threatening language". I thought you did not like immigrants, so why are you not pleased he got banned from entering the US?

its just a right wing excuse to knock Obama and get a reaction out of the lefties. People forget but the lefties pummeled Bush for 8 years.

Speaking of immigration here is another question for my right wing friends?

What percentage of illegal aliens are visa overstayers?

 

[felicie]

I presume that we will never see the actual text of the e-mail, but it was described as "an email to the White House full of abusive and threatening language". I thought you did not like immigrants, so why are you not pleased he got banned from entering the US?

I beg your pardon, I never said I don't like immigrants. I wouldn't even be here myself if it wasn't for immigrants.

I would simply ask that they follow the rules and come in legally as my grandparents did or just as I would do if I wanted to become a citizen of some other country.

I am also a big fan of personal freedoms which includes speech and privacy to name a few. I am wondering however why this particular email got through to the president when so many other hundreds and thousands haven't in recent months. If I were to want everyone banned from the US for calling our presidents past and future names, I would probably have to include my own father, an ex-Marine fighter pilot WWII and Korea who I believe referred to several as G.D. S.O.B.'s.

 

[kauphy]

awww whats wrong with them a little boy calling him names.

i wonder why they have,nt made me leave yet i,ve called him worse then that in e-mails.

i guess he can,t handle the truth and the truth hurts. poor baby

 

[felicie]

Of course the boy is a risk factor. Which drunk teenage boy in his right mind would do a thing like this?

A "normal" drunk teenager would have stolen cars, robbed old people, made girls pregnant and puked their inside out.

They are worried the young man might actually have a clue.

 

[Tengil]

Heres the story:

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I guess FBI is run by evil socialists

 

[felicie]

its just a right wing excuse to knock Obama and get a reaction out of the lefties. People forget but the lefties pummeled Bush for 8 years.

Speaking of immigration here is another question for my right wing friends?

What percentage of illegal aliens are visa overstayers?

The general concensus seems to be 40-50%


Section 214(b) of the Immigration and Nationality Act states that ''every alien shall be presumed to be an immigrant until he establishes to the satisfaction of the consular officer . . . that he is entitled to nonimmigrant status.'' Individuals who appear likely to overstay their temporary visa are called ''intending immigrants''—that is, they will try to settle permanently in the United States. Consular officers are not to issue ''nonimmigrant'' (i.e., temporary) visas unless the applicant can demonstrate that he has a residence abroad to which he is likely to return (with some exceptions), that the visit to the United States will be temporary, and that the applicant has enough money to finance the visit and return trip. Officers are trained to look for evidence of strong ties to the applicant's home country, such as family, a good job, property, and other things that would increase the likelihood that an applicant will return, and to be skeptical of applicants who fit the profile of a probable overstayer. The criteria vary from country to country, but these individuals are generally young, unemployed or earning a low income, and unmarried. Section 214(b) is by far the most common reason for applications to be refused.

 

[felicie]

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I guess FBI is run by evil socialists

I guess I should not expect someone whose never known anything but Socialism to understand the concerns of someone whose never known anything but freedom. Another thing I don't understand is why you think I should be happy with your form and choice? of govt. shoved down my throat when all I want is for us ALL to have the freedom to choose.

 

[love2winalot]

I don't care who it is, or what country it is in. If you send any type of message, to, "The Powers that be", and every other word is, "(*%#@*^), what do you expect to happen?

When I go back to the philippines, and i send an e mail to president Arroyo, and use the same e mail the kid used, and just change the name, what will happen to me? I will be at the Deportation office, and have, "Banned", stamped on my Visa so fast it would not be funny.

 

[LaurieJim]

I thought we had freedom of speech in the US, this was way too harsh imo, even Ozzy can go back to the Alamo again and he was drunk at the time.

Way to much PC in the world imo, your damned if you do and damed if you dont say just the right thing in the the correct format...........

Well I sure hope they dont send me packing, i call most all of them in Washington pecker heads out in public, a Dick head is a Dick head, sorry if I offended.


For anyone not old enough to remember Ozzy got banned from the State of Texas for taking a whiz on the Alamo, he is now allowed back into the Lone Star State.


Laurie

 

[hitobito2005]

I just find it insane that he's been banned from the USA forever simply for sending a rude email. Someone in the FBI must have been in a bad mood that day.

Btw anyone who calls Obama a Socialist doesn't understand what Socialism is. Obama is very much a free market Capitalist, as are pretty much all USA politicians.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I thought we had freedom of speech in the US, this was way too harsh imo, even Ozzy can go back to the Alamo again and he was drunk at the time.

Way to much PC in the world imo, your damned if you do and damed if you dont say just the right thing in the the correct format...........

Well I sure hope they dont send me packing, i call most all of them in Washington pecker heads out in public, a Dick head is a Dick head, sorry if I offended.


For anyone not old enough to remember Ozzy got banned from the State of Texas for taking a whiz on the Alamo, he is now allowed back into the Lone Star State.


Laurie

This was seen as an insult, and offended many. Yet this was not a LIFE ban, and was only a ban from a single state, not the entire country.

It shows a complete lack of understanding to issue a LIFE BAN for an insulting email sent whilst drunk by an immature TEENAGER. Surely he will mature in time, and thus a LIFE ban is completely over the top. Some form of punishment was necessary, and surely it was enough getting the FBI involved and a visit from the local police to impress upon him that the behaviour was unacceptable.

My niece often calls me a "dickhead", do I ban her from my life FOR life

Obama's office should have thought more about this before firing off a life ban, because now they have a BIG problem, a PR disaster on their hands now that the Sun is running the story.

Had it just been a "stern talking to", and a requirement for him to write a formal letter of apology to the president (whilst sober), there would hve been no story for the Sun to run, and this would have been nothing more than one of the many stupid things that teenagers get up to that go unreported outside of family and friends.

This story makes the USA look like the old USSR, where you could get sent to Siberia for calling Stalin "a prick", even in private, or criticising him in any way, verbal or written.

A ban from the US should NOT be handed out for such minor matters, certainly not a LIFE ban. It should be used when there is a REAL risk, such as terrorist attack, crime, illegal overstaying of visa, etc.

Obama should take the time to look at the TV programme that triggered this teen to react in this way, because this IS a relevant risk factor, and may have triggered others to feel just as stongly, but they have NOT vented their feelings in an email. The risk then is that terrorist organisations will use these feelings as an aid to recruitment, offering a chance for people to express their feelings in a form far more dangerous to national security than calling a US president a "prick", and these people will NOT have come to the attention of the FBI.

There have been a number of "9/11" documentaries on TV recently, and they are stirring up old issues, including the "conspiracy theories". There is far more for the FBI to worry about than a drunken teenager calling Obama a "prick" in an email.

 

[felicie]

I just find it insane that he's been banned from the USA forever simply for sending a rude email. Someone in the FBI must have been in a bad mood that day.

Btw anyone who calls Obama a Socialist doesn't understand what Socialism is. Obama is very much a free market Capitalist, as are pretty much all USA politicians.

Absolutely but for themselves. The rest of us according to the plan can follow the beat of the socialist drummer like so much of the rest of the world.

I didn't post this to bring out all the wolves I just thought it was kind of interesting and a little humorous. It's similar to the Dixie Chicks 'situation' in the Bush Admin. I wonder why 3 girls from Texas weren't bannished or better yet Jane Fonda OMG! Some called that total treason. It was then and still is freedom of speech, to express one's own opinion just like we do in here. And God help us if there comes a time when we cannot. Maybe I should say 'and God help ME' since I don't know who will help some of you as that too should be your choice.

I sure would love to hear from someone living in Communist China or one of these countries that don't allow women to show their face let alone their voice on all of this.

 

[felicie]

This was seen as an insult, and offended many. Yet this was not a LIFE ban, and was only a ban from a single state, not the entire country.

It shows a complete lack of understanding to issue a LIFE BAN for an insulting email sent whilst drunk by an immature TEENAGER. Surely he will mature in time, and thus a LIFE ban is completely over the top. Some form of punishment was necessary, and surely it was enough getting the FBI involved and a visit from the local police to impress upon him that the behaviour was unacceptable.

My niece often calls me a "dickhead", do I ban her from my life FOR life

Obama's office should have thought more about this before firing off a life ban, because now they have a BIG problem, a PR disaster on their hands now that the Sun is running the story.

Had it just been a "stern talking to", and a requirement for him to write a formal letter of apology to the president (whilst sober), there would hve been no story for the Sun to run, and this would have been nothing more than one of the many stupid things that teenagers get up to that go unreported outside of family and friends.

This story makes the USA look like the old USSR, where you could get sent to Siberia for calling Stalin "a prick", even in private, or criticising him in any way, verbal or written.

A ban from the US should NOT be handed out for such minor matters, certainly not a LIFE ban. It should be used when there is a REAL risk, such as terrorist attack, crime, illegal overstaying of visa, etc.

Obama should take the time to look at the TV programme that triggered this teen to react in this way, because this IS a relevant risk factor, and may have triggered others to feel just as stongly, but they have NOT vented their feelings in an email. The risk then is that terrorist organisations will use these feelings as an aid to recruitment, offering a chance for people to express their feelings in a form far more dangerous to national security than calling a US president a "prick", and these people will NOT have come to the attention of the FBI.

There have been a number of "9/11" documentaries on TV recently, and they are stirring up old issues, including the "conspiracy theories". There is far more for the FBI to worry about than a drunken teenager calling Obama a "prick" in an email.

Yes they maybe should be worrying about your niece. What a pistol she is. LOL I'm sorry and no disrespect intended here but that is so funny and probably because I'd still be hesitant to sit down had I ever called my uncle a dickhead.:smilewink:

 

[oldtrvlagt]

OMG...this is so ridiculous...what I want to know is what happens if Mr. Angel grows up, goes in to politics and becomes the Prime Minister? Is the "Life Ban" still in effect?

 

[felicie]

With a name like Mr. Angel I doubt if he'd have any problem getting a Pardon and I'll tell you what. I personally am very tired of Obama apologizing to so many for America's behavior as if he's ashamed to be an American so Mr. Angel - I stand here right now and with great humblility (I like that) do appologize to you for the recent silly behavior of our president and his FBI and we want you to know just one thing: when his terms up - your ban is over. (due to possible bureaucratic red tape and I mean like a train wreck, please do your traveling by bus)

 

[slotplayer]

My guess it was the "threatening" part that got him banned not the "abusive" especially after 9/11. Come on think a little bit. Without the full text it is only speculation, for all we know he said if he ever gets to the usa he's gonna plug the "prick."

I didn't post this to bring out all the wolves I just thought it was kind of interesting and a little humorous.

my guess is you posted it because its anti obama.

When I do something no matter what it is I like to look inside and admit my true intentions. For me its important that I'm honest with myself inside.

I heard 43% of illegals are visa overstayers. So spot on. Didn't know about section 214(b) but that is before they're granted a temporary visa, the overstayers are those that met the criteria before arriving. Wonder how soft that screening is? I would imagine the people that do it are overwhelmed and end up cutting corners.

Btw anyone who calls Obama a Socialist doesn't understand what Socialism is. Obama is very much a free market Capitalist, as are pretty much all USA politicians

agree, he is a capitalist but also believes in social justice not socialism as the right claim that is why he feels everyone is entitled to affordable healthcare.

 

[jetset]

First off, thanks to VWM for highlighting the true nature and conditions of this ridiculous over-reaction in his post #14.

My personal view is similar to his in that I think the authorities, by going OTT in their response, have succeeded only in making this incident a widely-distributed story.

And accepting the foibles of human nature and the manner in which the anonymity of the internet brings out the worst in some people, I surmise that there must be thousands of abusive emails sent to world leaders every week, not to mention satirical lampooning and public demonstrators.

I also think that if it was necessary at all to respond to this youth's drunken electronic outburst, the way to do so would have been a request to local cops to hand out a strong verbal warning, perhaps in front of his parents, seeing as he appears to live at home.

I'm surprised some of the TV shows haven't latched on to this - it's great ridicule material.

 

[Tengil]

Well what if they (FBI) would take a lax stance on every threat? What if he would have been a whacko?
And I have a hard time to think that Obama would of even known of this case.

IMO the guy got what he deserved. He is 17 and should be fully aware what his actions could lead to. Saying you were drunk is quite irrelevant, you are still responsible of your actions. He didnt just call him a prick as the email "was full of abusive and threatening language".

 

[GrandMaster]

OMG...this is so ridiculous...what I want to know is what happens if Mr. Angel grows up, goes in to politics and becomes the Prime Minister? Is the "Life Ban" still in effect?

The same agency that banned him can also lift the ban, but I think their attitude is "We'll cross that bridge when we come to it". If it were on a purely random basis, the chance of becoming prime minister would be around 1 in 5000000. However, if I had to guess, writing abusive e-mails to foreign heads of state while drunk at the age of 17 is negative correlated with becoming PM. For example, William Pitt the Younger graduated from Cambridge at the age of 17, and there is no record of him sending abusive letters to King Charles or Emperor Leopold II whilke drunk.

 

[GrandMaster]

I heard 43% of illegals are visa overstayers. So spot on. Didn't know about section 214(b) but that is before they're granted a temporary visa, the overstayers are those that met the criteria before arriving. Wonder how soft that screening is? I would imagine the people that do it are overwhelmed and end up cutting corners.

Are you sure you are not misinterpreting the statistics? That 43% means that 43% of illegals are overstayers, as opposed to the other 57% who must have entered illegally. It does not means that 43% of visitors with a visa overstay.

 

[slotplayer]

Are you sure you are not misinterpreting the statistics? That 43% means that 43% of illegals are overstayers, as opposed to the other 57% who must have entered illegally. It does not means that 43% of visitors with a visa overstay.

The way I understood it and in the context it was reported by multiple news sources at different times, was out of the estimated 12-20 million illegals in the US, 43% were those that came through legal channels but overstayed.

So I guess the other 57% are undocumented illegals.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Yes they maybe should be worrying about your niece. What a pistol she is. LOL I'm sorry and no disrespect intended here but that is so funny and probably because I'd still be hesitant to sit down had I ever called my uncle a dickhead.:smilewink:

Well, she is almost 21 and has a family. She got married last Friday! She was more subtle when she was small enough for slapped legs
I STILL haven't "busted" her for everything she got past me when she was little, as in many cases she covered her tracks too well, and put the blame onto others. I am now a "dickhead" because she finds it much harder to "get one over" on me

First off, thanks to VWM for highlighting the true nature and conditions of this ridiculous over-reaction in his post #14.

My personal view is similar to his in that I think the authorities, by going OTT in their response, have succeeded only in making this incident a widely-distributed story.

And accepting the foibles of human nature and the manner in which the anonymity of the internet brings out the worst in some people, I surmise that there must be thousands of abusive emails sent to world leaders every week, not to mention satirical lampooning and public demonstrators.

I also think that if it was necessary at all to respond to this youth's drunken electronic outburst, the way to do so would have been a request to local cops to hand out a strong verbal warning, perhaps in front of his parents, seeing as he appears to live at home.

I'm surprised some of the TV shows haven't latched on to this - it's great ridicule material.

Give them time

Bremner, Bird & Fortune are not on at present, but maybe they are already writing material based on this

Well what if they (FBI) would take a lax stance on every threat? What if he would have been a whacko?
And I have a hard time to think that Obama would of even known of this case.

IMO the guy got what he deserved. He is 17 and should be fully aware what his actions could lead to. Saying you were drunk is quite irrelevant, you are still responsible of your actions. He didnt just call him a prick as the email "was full of abusive and threatening language".

Yes, he deserved some "comeback", but he cannot have had any idea of how SEVERE this would be. The usual penalty in the UK for doing this would be an £80 fine for "public order", similar to what Ozzy would have got had he been caught "taking a whizz" on Nelson's Column.
A single incident would NEVER result in a banning order, such as an order banning him from the town where the offence took place.

When sober, he may have worried that someone might actually READ the email, but probably thought it would end up in Obama's "trash folder", a bit like going to the top of Everest and shouting insults about someone - you don't expect anybody to actually be LISTENING, let alone taking notes and bringing in the FBI and local Police.

What made THIS teenager so damn SPECIAL given that there must be THOUSANDS of similar insulting emails going to Obama. To be fair, the Sun should publish the actual text of the email (censorship permitting), so we can see what might have made this stand out from the rest. It HAS to be available somewhere, including on the PC from which it was sent.