UK player done with regulated casinos. How to move to unregulated play?

[dkwyw]

I'm fed up with unwanted restrictions being forced on my accounts.
I'm fed up with casinos abusing GC regulations to withhold balances to ransom.
I'm fed up with constant fear of having my balance frozen.
I'm fed up with feeling the need to leave balances in a casino for fear of reaching a new deposit trigger.
I'm fed up with chasing losses because I'm worried a loss might trigger account suspension.
I'm fed up with RTP increases.
I'm fed up with no bonus buys.
I'm fed up with no auto button.
I'm fed up with aggressive pop-ups interfering with my play.
I'm fed up with feeling unable to set on-site gambling controls for fear of future reprisals.

In short, I'm done with UK regulated casinos.

Advice please... What does one have to do to play unregulated? Is Crypto the way to go? How can I play there with the minimum of risk?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I’m beginning to think myself that the pros of playing unlicensed casinos now outweighs the cons for some people.

There will be many UK players feeling the same way as yourself. The more the UKGC alienate the casual gambler, the bigger audience they’re exposing to unlicensed casino play. Everyone but the UKGC seemingly understand this.

Withholding withdrawals will ultimately be the downfall of some casinos in maintaining a UK customer base. Even if the customer jumps through the hoops it leaves a bitter taste in the mouth and many customers simply won't deposit there again. It's such bad business practice I can't fathom it... in many cases there just isn't reason to do it (thinking of the case on here of someone having £20 frozen).

 

[deleted20230517]

Left or right crypto based casino's are'nt any better. They uphold no KYC and thus a major risk for anyone being a problem gambler. If you decide to use a VPN to play on a crypto casino they already have a foot in between the door from taking your funds and closing your account, since you broke the T&C of the casino. Not that it upholds alot anyway, a rogue casino will be a rogue casino anyway.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Left or right crypto based casino's are'nt any better. They uphold no KYC and thus a major risk for anyone being a problem gambler. If you decide to use a VPN to play on a crypto casino they already have a foot in between the door from taking your funds and closing your account, since you broke the T&C of the casino. Not that it upholds alot anyway, a rogue casino will be a rogue casino anyway.

I guess it's a risk-reward thing for some people. Yes you might not get paid but you can play games without pop ups, can spin the slot how you want to... can use auto play or turbo spin, don't have to offer everything bar a sperm sample to the casino etc etc. Contrast that to what players already have here in the UK...they might not even get paid out and on top of that will have a slotting experience with every last bit of fun zapped out of it. I totally understand why some people would be tempted.

Slotting in the UK at the moment is like trying to fornicate with clothes on in order to prevent pregnancy when all that needed to be used was a condom.

If people have a gambling issue they need to own that shit themselves (there are plenty of tools available for self help) rather than have everyone dragged down to a level whereby a fun pass time is no longer fun at all.

 

[deleted20230517]

I watch Rocknrollah sometimes, even tho some features are missing he still provides some action within it's stream. He's verified yes and things can arrise, but still, its not THAT bad.

Just dont go on the bandwagon now of crypto and complain later. You have bin warned really. Offshore casino's are extremely tricky. I dont mess around with those places. I lost a 500 euro deposit once due to a mistake at my side, but the way they did'nt even bother solving it while it was technically possible, just told pretty much everything about the mindset of such casino's.

I prefer to stick with a place that is just doing proper business.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I prefer to stick with a place that is just doing proper business.

'Proper business' isn't confiscating peoples' own funds from them because they don't agree to have their personal accounts rummaged through. 'Proper business' would follow the correct guidance and seek a resolution rather than taking things to the extreme just because they can, making people wait weeks for a withdrawal that amounts to chump change. A 'proper business' looks after its customers and puts them first as they are the ones making the business viable in the first place.

 

[deleted20230517]

So what withholds you from,

Sending in required documents in order to get "Verified" ?

Thats the terms and conditions you agree on when you signup. Cant be all that bad. Yes a perhaps bit painfull proces, but they have to by law.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

So what withholds you from,

Sending in required documents in order to get "Verified" ?

Thats the terms and conditions you agree on when you signup. Cant be all that bad. Yes a perhaps bit painfull proces, but they have to by law.

Some people aren't comfortable with it, it's as simple as that. Which is fair enough, salary and spending habits are often very personal to an individual. Just because you see it as OK it doesn't mean others will share that view...and that's fine because everyone is different and has their own definition of what is acceptable to them.

Then there's the cases where third parties are involved...someone sent you £100 and then the casino wants their bank info too. Being serious here, how many of these third party individuals (especially ones who don't gamble) will willingly hand over bank statements because a casino their friend plays at has requested them?? I can confidently say that I don't know many people who would even entertain that idea...and neither should they because it's ludicrous.

Also FYI I don't own crypto, nor have a crypto wallet and thus won't play at crypto casinos. I'm saying I can see why it's an attractive proposition to some people.

The fact that these threads pop up on the daily should tell you that there is an issue and a lot of people simply do not like the direction this has all veered towards.

 

[deleted20230517]

I do licences for company's in a different business. And in order to get green stamped as in Approved a major role or part of that is the source of funds. If you take a loan to start or invest in a company, it's completely normal to determine where the source of funds is coming from. So if someone lends you 5 grand to fund something, the proof of income has to appear as well. Completely normal. From a casino standpoint they are obligated by law and i dont understand that if you dont want it, simply move to a different place. Or start heading to landbased casino's again where your ID at the door is all it takes to enter.

If you want to risk it at casino's overseas or offshore based type of things, go ahead. I assure you that you'll be in quite alot more trouble if it ever happens to you. They are tagged rogue for a reason. Second the course of BTC is falling hard, so i'd hold your horses with even getting aboard to any crypto based casino at this point. You think the RTP's are better over there? Or you think watching streamers gets you the same enticement or luck? Well i cant stop you from doing the obvious right?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I do licences for company's in a different business. And in order to get green stamped as in Approved a major role or part of that is the source of funds. If you take a loan to start or invest in a company, it's completely normal to determine where the source of funds is coming from. So if someone lends you 5 grand to fund something, the proof of income has to appear as well. Completely normal. From a casino standpoint they are obligated by law and i dont understand that if you dont want it, simply move to a different place. Or start heading to landbased casino's again where your ID at the door is all it takes to enter.

If you want to risk it at casino's overseas or offshore based type of things, go ahead. I assure you that you'll be in quite alot more trouble if it ever happens to you. They are tagged rogue for a reason. Second the course of BTC is falling hard, so i'd hold your horses with even getting aboard to any crypto based casino at this point. You think the RTP's are better over there? Or you think watching streamers gets you the same enticement or luck? Well i cant stop you from doing the obvious right?

So many things to pick up on here-

Firstly the legitimacy of the checks weren't being questioned. We're all well versed of the directive on this forum as the issue has been done to death. However, the issue surrounds some casinos withholding funds where a customer has explicitly said they will not provide the documentation. In my eyes this is where the casino either pays up or reports the player...not keep the money dangling like a carrot for weeks on end in the vain hope the player will do a U-turn, supply the docs and continue their custom. with the casino.

Secondly, you're still missing the point with regards to some people not feeling comfortable supplying personal documentation to a CASINO based in Malta or some other country. It's a bit different to having your account analysed for a loan or mortgage by professionals at a UK bank that do this sort of thing for a living.

Thirdly, as I just said above, I don't own crypto, nor have a crypto wallet so I've no idea why you're lecturing me personally about the negatives of cryptocurrency. I'm not interested in it.

 

[deleted20230517]

Why would you even bother going against the Terms and conditions of any casino you signup to? Thats just stupid. If they require you to send in documents, just send it. You can outmask certain "private" details, or hey you can file in a job/working contract with the boss your working for or if it's independent you give 'm your subscription as a independent. Whats so difficult about it?

My casino asked me for bank details too. Sure. Here's the last invoice from the bank to me in original PDF with my name and details on it. And here's a screenshot with the last payment i made using credit card to the casino. A clear Reference number with the payment made. Case closed. Ive submitted docs in the past too to casino's in Malta. Never i can say my details where abused in anway so far. Those places still have a duty, and most of the personal stuff is usually in a digital vault.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Why would you even bother going against the Terms and conditions of any casino you signup to? Thats just stupid. If they require you to send in documents, just send it. You can outmask certain "private" details, or hey you can file in a job/working contract with the boss your working for or if it's independent you give 'm your subscription as a independent. Whats so difficult about it?

My casino asked me for bank details too. Sure. Here's the last invoice from the bank to me in original PDF with my name and details on it. And here's a screenshot with the last payment i made using credit card to the casino. A clear Reference number with the payment made. Case closed. Ive submitted docs in the past too to casino's in Malta. Never i can say my details where abused in anway so far. Those places still have a duty, and most of the personal stuff is usually in a digital vault.

What have terms and conditions ultimately got to do with things. Everyone knows casino can ask for these things but there is no law that says a customer MUST provide these things and that's the crux. If a person doesn't want to send these documents then they are under zero obligation to do so and, provided there is no actual fraud being committed, the customer (by law) has the right to their winnings. You can pontificate around the issue all you like but that's the long and short of it.

 

[deleted20230517]

Show me the terms and conditions, of that casino, in where you say you encounter these issues. I think they have the right to ask for such details. It has never bin anything else.


All casino's and esp the one in the UK are under a phat magnifying glass due to the risk of Money Laundring. It's simple as that. If they fail to detect cases or things slip through they might get fined or have their licence revoked. As a business i woud'nt want to take that risk to be honest. Then i'll lose the few players who dont oblidge to a few simple stupid things.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Show me the terms and conditions, of that casino, in where you say you encounter these issues. I think they have the right to ask for such details. It has never bin anything else.

I've personally not encountered any issues. I'm merely playing devil's advocate, not speaking from my own personal experiences.

Take a look around the forum and check the myriad of threads that have raised issues over the past couple of years. It's a massively hot topic and something that does affect a lot of forum members.

 

[deleted20230517]

Yes,

So are players who signup to these vague casino's because there was a link coming from this forums, and getting duped or sacked because of weird ass rules.

Point being is: your making a problem out of something that is a normal business. They or casino's are simply not risking fines or their license because they where ignoring perhaps signs of problem gamblers or gamblers who use their casino as a money laundry establishment.

Banks have the same responsibility. Hell even in my business a client made a payment of approx 450 euro to me. That took weeks to arrive. But not without the bank calling me first and pretty much saying where that payment is for. I'm like i have a business it's none of your concern? They wanted to have the clients details on which i agreed, but bottom line is, that client happend to RECIEVE a payment once from a suspected terrorist and everything around him got suspicious at that point. After i enclared on why it was for the payment was released.

I did however filed a complaint; they have me as a client and enterpreneur for over 14 years. It's not in my interest to money launder or finance terrorism or any of that shit. But the bank is at the end of the day responsible for activity on their bank accounts. Same applies to casino's. Dont like it? Go to another bank or casino then. Just dont be crying here when you seem to lost your big win on a crypto based casino.

There are nummerous cases of players getting duped, sacked, and there is no official to represent you. Good luck filing a lawsuit too in Curacao, malta for that matter. They just say hey the player used a VPN and breached our terms, thats it. Byebye.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

You've still somehow managed to miss the point.

With that I'm off to take a paracetamol and go to bed. Goodnight my friend.

 

[deleted20230517]

Well, this is the new world we live in today. Banks, casino's, even Paypal and all that can be "fined" for issues like "Money laundring" or "Problem gamblers". If you wanna risk it on crypto because you have your autospin or bonus buy button GO AHEAD. Ill be watching future topics of you in where you have a problem suddenly with withdrawl. That'll be funny.

 

[bamberfishcake]

I bought crypto recently. Partly because I finally had a little spare and have been meaning to do it for ages, and also because if the UKGC keep babysitting, I have another option.

A year ago, I would never have considered going to Curacao licenced casinos, but now that market has evolved to include a few names that I would put some faith in.

The O.P. raised some really strong points as to the repercussions of the UKGC's blanket approach:

I'm fed up with casinos abusing GC regulations to withhold balances to ransom.

I'm fed up with constant fear of having my balance frozen.

I'm fed up with feeling unable to set on-site gambling controls for fear of future reprisals.

Hardly the environment I think the UKGC wanted to create, but a very real mindset for many players. I daren't put a deposit limit on my account for fear of future reprisals - the o.p. sums it up very well.

Crypto casinos are looking like a decent proposition in many ways. Sure, it's still the wild west, with shoddy control, but there's always a gem in the rough who just wants to serve customers well so they return and keep spending.

 

[justdoit]

I play 80% of my gambling on Crypto casino first you need to open Crypto wallet to deposit and withdraw, next you need to buy some Crypto like
bitcoin ethereum or other crypto,
3 popular casino on VPN
Rollbit
Stake
cloudbet
etc etc
P.S
Avoid
Russian casino or big bonus offer (300x 500x 1000x) casinos

 

[deleted20230517]

But why do you want to play on Stake or Rollbit if they have to have proven lower RTPs?

we're looking at 92% for some games.

 

[justdoit]

Yes,

So are players who signup to these vague casino's because there was a link coming from this forums, and getting duped or sacked because of weird ass rules.

Point being is: your making a problem out of something that is a normal business. They or casino's are simply not risking fines or their license because they where ignoring perhaps signs of problem gamblers or gamblers who use their casino as a money laundry establishment.

Banks have the same responsibility. Hell even in my business a client made a payment of approx 450 euro to me. That took weeks to arrive. But not without the bank calling me first and pretty much saying where that payment is for. I'm like i have a business it's none of your concern? They wanted to have the clients details on which i agreed, but bottom line is, that client happend to RECIEVE a payment once from a suspected terrorist and everything around him got suspicious at that point. After i enclared on why it was for the payment was released.

I did however filed a complaint; they have me as a client and enterpreneur for over 14 years. It's not in my interest to money launder or finance terrorism or any of that shit. But the bank is at the end of the day responsible for activity on their bank accounts. Same applies to casino's. Dont like it? Go to another bank or casino then. Just dont be crying here when you seem to lost your big win on a crypto based casino.

There are nummerous cases of players getting duped, sacked, and there is no official to represent you. Good luck filing a lawsuit too in Curacao, malta for that matter. They just say hey the player used a VPN and breached our terms, thats it. Byebye.

money laundering by casino check is biggest BS ever... you cant go to the bank and deposit 1000s everyday, every bank with check are account for money laundering, if my bank account get check by bank way de we need to proof casinos with 1000s of docs where my money come from? I dont trust casinos to share my bank statement...Casinos they not Financial services they gambling side nothing more,

 

[justdoit]

But why do you want to play on Stake or Rollbit if they have to have proven lower RTPs?

we're looking at 92% for some games.

I dont play on 92% i just check what RTP I play... Rollbit they do send me 50x 80x 100x offers so all good in the end

 

[deleted20230517]

money laundering by casino check is biggest BS ever... you cant go to the bank and deposit 1000s everyday, every bank with check are account for money laundering, if my bank account get check by bank way de we need to proof casinos with 1000s of docs where my money come from? I dont trust casinos to share my bank statement...Casinos they not Financial services they gambling side nothing more,

So hypotheticly, i make money with the selling of weed. We're talking cash. With that cash i'm buying repeated paysafe at most common gas stations. I now start deposit onto my casino account. When i win i hit the withdrawl button. This is where the initial You deposit with method Y you withdrawl with method Y came from. Now i succesfully laundred money online.

That is what this comes down to. Obviously if i'm a contracted employee with a 2000 a month salary you understand that i coud'nt deposit over 80k a year could i ? Unless i'm tapping into for example my savings or some shit. Point being is casino's are mandatory to perform checks. They can get fined and in worst case have their license taken.

for that 5% that appears to cheat i woud'nt risk that, really.

 

[deleted20230517]

I dont play on 92% i just check what RTP I play... Rollbit they do send me 50x 80x 100x offers so all good in the end

Well, video speaks for itself i think. It's proven to have lower RTP's. And it was such a populair brand. Why would it?

More money.

 

[Scott1baird]

I'm fed up with unwanted restrictions being forced on my accounts.
I'm fed up with casinos abusing GC regulations to withhold balances to ransom.
I'm fed up with constant fear of having my balance frozen.
I'm fed up with feeling the need to leave balances in a casino for fear of reaching a new deposit trigger.
I'm fed up with chasing losses because I'm worried a loss might trigger account suspension.
I'm fed up with RTP increases.
I'm fed up with no bonus buys.
I'm fed up with no auto button.
I'm fed up with aggressive pop-ups interfering with my play.
I'm fed up with feeling unable to set on-site gambling controls for fear of future reprisals.

In short, I'm done with UK regulated casinos.

Advice please... What does one have to do to play unregulated? Is Crypto the way to go? How can I play there with the minimum of risk?

there are a couple of accredited casinoes from this forum bitstarz to mention one, also I remember @L&L-Jan saying to one player he could play at there casinos using a VPN could a UK player do the same? but atleast try to use a credited casino from here.