UK Mechanical Slots - A must read!

[dunover]

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This makes me so glad I haven't put a coin in one for nearly 4 years......

 

[Simmo!]

The author of the piece - either through ignorance or a deliberate ploy - rattles on about casinos and pubs and the machines they provide in the same breath when they are totally different design classes. Pub slots are "Amusements with Prizes" - not slots at all. They are just made to look like slots because it's more appealing than getting someone to stuff in a coin to see 3 numbers come up on a screen. They have always paid low afaik. But casinos here, in Europe and the US use actual slot machines which pay a lot higher. Just cos they both look similar doesn't mean they are. They are totally different games.

To be fair to him, that blurs the lines so it's easy to see and think they are the same thing. But you'd expect a journalist to research this sort of thing properly and realise the differences at least. If writing yet another piece about the negatives of gambling still sells papers, then the article should be about how the manufacturers dupe the pub player into thinking they are playing a random slot machine.

He even says: "A slot machine set at a relatively high 90 per cent offers the casino a whopping ten per cent edge". Being kind, I'd call that misleading: 90% isn't high for a casino slot machine - it's at the low end. Most UK casinos, you walk up to a Gaminator machine for example it tells you it's set in the range from 92% - 96% .

Play in a pub and you pretty much know you need a streak to win. VWM has explained over and over how AWP's work so I won't go over old ground, not least because he knows way more about it than I ever will

 

[dunover]

Yes, and it's the same in every press article; journos have no understanding of AWP/Random differences and of how much just a small variation in %age makes to gameplay. Actually this at one time had grave consequences for professional AWP players. They were ejected, barred and even arrested for winning perfectly legitimately. They had OUR knowledge but the Police/Legal Aid didn't. I actually offered on a couple of occasions my services as a professional witness in cases on old forums whereby members had been arrested, bailed and had pound coins confiscated solely because in the words of bar staff/arcade staff "they had won too much so must be stealing."
The person arrested would have found himself p!ssing into a gale when it came to explaining that AWP's are predictable and forceable and that he had done nothing wrong. In both cases the arrestee wasn't charged but one accepted a caution for nothing and had his coins confiscated just to get out of the Police station! In both cases I believe a statement from a reasonably intelligent, coherent and knowledgeable person like myself or others on here would have fully ensured the case was dropped if it went as far as the CPS.
To be honest I'll welcome the day (except those who still have humptiers lol) when AWP's only exist in the 5p section of holiday-park amusements with cobwebs blowing off them.

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

This made me chuckle;

"Players do not continuously lose. They continuously nearly win"

So continuously lose then

 

[dunover]

This made me chuckle;

"Players do not continuously lose. They continuously nearly win"

So continuously lose then

Yes, but we know what he means.....

 

[ChopleyIOM]

What Simmo said really, that's a truly dreadful and wildly inaccurate piece of 'journalism' - he's conflating many different things into one amorphous mass of 'slot based gambling' and picking out the worst things from all of them, but presenting them as universal.

He even rattles on about JPM's Crystal Maze and WWTBAM games in the same piece, and yet they are Skill With Prizes machines, with low stakes and low prizes and not a slot machine at all.

The headline itself '70p back for every pound' will ONLY apply to UK AWPs set to their lowest possible percentage, and yet he uses it as a cover-all then blathers on about randomness when if there's one thing that UK AWPs are not, it's random.

And then they've got a pic of an EU export JPM slot which wouldn't even be legal in the UK!

Awful, execrable rubbish, the likes of which you'd expect from the Daily Mail TBH.

 

[RikkiGT-R]

This:

Awful, execrable rubbish, the likes of which you'd expect from the Daily Mail TBH.

Which is why this site was created:

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it's actually hilarious and pretty accurate

 

[vinylweatherman]

Yes, and it's the same in every press article; journos have no understanding of AWP/Random differences and of how much just a small variation in %age makes to gameplay. Actually this at one time had grave consequences for professional AWP players. They were ejected, barred and even arrested for winning perfectly legitimately. They had OUR knowledge but the Police/Legal Aid didn't. I actually offered on a couple of occasions my services as a professional witness in cases on old forums whereby members had been arrested, bailed and had pound coins confiscated solely because in the words of bar staff/arcade staff "they had won too much so must be stealing."
The person arrested would have found himself p!ssing into a gale when it came to explaining that AWP's are predictable and forceable and that he had done nothing wrong. In both cases the arrestee wasn't charged but one accepted a caution for nothing and had his coins confiscated just to get out of the Police station! In both cases I believe a statement from a reasonably intelligent, coherent and knowledgeable person like myself or others on here would have fully ensured the case was dropped if it went as far as the CPS.
To be honest I'll welcome the day (except those who still have humptiers lol) when AWP's only exist in the 5p section of holiday-park amusements with cobwebs blowing off them.

No manufacturer would want such a case to come to court as it could reveal too much about the inner workings of the machines. Also "must have been stealing" is not good enough for a criminal court, they would have to PROVE it. It could also be grounds for a false arrest complaint against the police, a nice additional jackpot payout, as there are so many innocent explanations for having loads of coins (it's also prudent to ditch some in the car, or try to change them up, rather than carry too many around). With the £500 jackpot machines we have now, it is reasonable to have £500 or more coins on one, having just won the jackpot.

I do hope the services will be full of daily mail readers who believe that I am deluded for jumping on their machine just because it hasn't paid out for them, and who will refrain from leaping on mine if I have to go for change

 

[ecopac]

According to Bluejay, a player on a one-dollar slot machine will on average lose $800 in a ten-hour session. This is money ground away by the machine as winnings are fed back into the machine. The same player over the same time period will lose only an average of a tenth of that ($79) playing a low-intensity game such as roulette. You still lose money at roulette, blackjack and baccarat, but you lose it more slowly; so you enjoy a longer night out.

I particularly enjoyed this bit. Low intensity? This guys obviously never been in a casino or a UK bookmakers watching people do their giro's on one spin.

You lose money at roulette a damn sight quicker! They don't call it the devil wheel for nothing.