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UK General Election - anything but red!

Discussion in 'Political Rants' started by KasinoKing, Apr 30, 2015.

    Apr 30, 2015
  1. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I'm getting really nervous about next week's election; the thought of Labour forming a government with the SNP pulling the strings is really scary :eek:
    So I would say to everyone, C&C have done a pretty good job over the last 5-years of clearing up Labour's last mess - please give them another 5 years to see if they really can make this country great again :thumbsup:

    KK
     
  2. Apr 30, 2015
  3. mimi26

    mimi26 Meister Member

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    Honestly I would rather poke my own eyes out than vote for Cameron, Gideon and his Eton chums. Just who on earth do they represent? go and look at Iain Duncan Smith and Esther (a more grating voice than Micheal Owen) Mcvey's record and the untold misery they have caused in this country!

    They should rename themselves the un compassionate party. The lies that are spun to 'prove' how well this country is doing is a joke, the way statistics are re shuffled to 'prove' how many people are coming of benefits and finding work :rolleyes:.

    Imagine a coalition with The tories and UKIP, god I think I would sleep with one eye open for the rest of my life.

    SAVE OUR NHS :D
     
  4. Apr 30, 2015
  5. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    I'm in agreement there - not my cup of tea but better than most alternatives. Leave things as they are. Grommet is so witless it frightens me. Him and the SNP (Sturgeon and Salmond - why are they both named after slippery slithery fish?) are a recipe for revolution, disaster.

    If I thought we could have an outright UKIP win I'd vote for them. Why can't people see the reality - we are in DEBT and defence and the especially the NHS are facing limitless demands due to the exploding population down to having uncontrolled immigration due to the E-USSR. The more people we cram into the UK results in social problems and demands the taxpayer can't afford on all our services. The simpletons will say it's down to money but it's not; demands are spiralling out of control.

    Added to that we pay £17bn foreign aid each year which should be spent HERE - and considering we are running a deficit this is insane! It's like a charity collector knocking on the door of an indebted household, and the resident saying "I'll take out another credit card, get a cash-advance so come back next week and I'll drop it in your tin." Insane. Think of the money we could spend on our armed forces, expensive medicines and infrastructure saving that 17bn per year plus the billions we pour into the E-USSR to subsidize Spanish tomato and Greek tobacco growers.

    Yet whoever gets in you can be sure the lunacy will continue.....:mad:
     
  6. Apr 30, 2015
  7. dontknowtobet

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    You know you can't bet on it? :D

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  8. May 1, 2015
  9. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Despite saying they are cutting spending, there is a ridiculous amount of waste that would seem to be completely immune to these cuts.

    One example is "bed blocking" in hospitals, which is actually MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE per person than swiftly removing them with a care package into the community, yet the "cuts" mean that they stay in hospital for weeks and months at £2000 per DAY because "we can't afford the care package". This kind of BS has been immune from all the various schemes designed to bring down reckless spending by ALL flavours of government for decades.

    Another example is the PFI where a hospital that should cost the NHS 1 Billion pounds ends up costing them 10 Billion pounds "in order to save money".

    Far from "being in it together", the various government departments and statutory bodies are vigorously defending their own empires and their bosses feathering their own nests. This is where a monumental quantity of waste is to be found, yet all we have it a little light tinkering at the edges.

    Even those measures that one might think will save money will actually COST money overall. For example, the welfare cuts will save money, but they will drive people into deeper levels of poverty, which will significantly increase levels of ill health, and this will COST various services like the NHS a fortune, more money than is saved from the welfare budget.

    We also have contradicting arguments over immigration. On the one hand, immigrants "pay more in tax than they cost in benefits", yet on the other "immigration is a drain on the country's finances". We are also told that "health tourism" costs the NHS £300 million per year, and is the cause of the NHS being unable to manage. Now, if this cost is ONLY £300 Million, then it means that "health tourism" is NOT the main reason for NHS failures.

    The SNP are gaining seats mostly at the expense of Labour, so overall this should not lead to an increase in the total quantity of MPs available to them as a coalition. UKIP are not going to get an overall majority, but they could well hold the balance of power, and any party wanting to form a government will have to cut a deal with them. Lib Dem is a dying force it seems, but does not come with the negative "baggage" that still haunts UKIP, even though they have expelled the more obvious "nutters" from the ranks.

    The main redeeming feature for me with the current government is that they did follow through with the promise to substantially raise the personal allowance, making this the first year EVER since starting my first full time job that my tax has been zero. It is zero now because I was retired on medical grounds in 2000, but until now the pension that came with it was higher than the personal allowance. The other reason is that gambling wins are not taxed here in the UK:p
     
  10. May 1, 2015
  11. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    First let me say that I am very wary of all politicians, especially when they are trying to get re-elected!

    I have absolutely no dog in this fight, but I have always followed the UK political scene with interest and I have to say the Conservative Party approach makes more sense to me in a campaign environment in which future pledges and statistics are being thrown around like confetti, with just as many interpretations of the numbers.

    It can get confusing, but international and independent financial organisations have all applauded the present UK government for its responsibility and determination in turning the country away from a financial precipice to which it was led by a previous Labour government that was in power for (I think) around 13 years.

    The raw data on GDP growth and a declining unemployment rate, along with the UK's recovery performance in comparison with most of the European nations, suggests to me that although it has been a painful process, the austerity and other measures taken by the present government are working.

    To me as an outsider with no axe to grind here, that would suggest they are a better bet than Milliband, Balls and company, and it would be a pity to risk the recovery achieved in the last five years to an outfit with dangerously leftist intentions and a not-so-good record of financial management.

    I have to agree with Dunover on foreign aid; when the country is battling to come right it seems to me that a possibly temporary suspension of foreign aid until it does so would be fair enough, and all those billions could be so well deployed at home.

    The NHS appears to be a bottomless pit into which vast sums of money have been, and are about to be, thrown. With an ageing and growing population it seems destined to be under pressure no matter which government is running things.

    After several weeks of almost wall to wall media coverage in the UK of election issues and politicians posturing I imagine everyone will be glad to finalise matters next week.

    Good luck but choose carefully - there's a lot at risk, and five years is a long time!
     
  12. May 1, 2015
  13. conker

    conker Super Moderator CAG MM webmeister

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    Couldn't agree less I am afraid KK. For the likes of me and you it works perfectly well to strip the poorest in society of any dignity and assistance as it doesn't effect us. I never thought in my lifetime we would actually see a return of child poverty in our country, nor the rise and rise of food banks.

    This defecit is a debt, it will remain a debt until it is paid. But to take everything away from the people that need it most in some cavelier effort to reduce this deficit is shambolic in my opinon.

    We don't need more of the same.
     
  14. May 1, 2015
  15. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    The well off have largely escaped the austerity, in fact a report claims the rich have become much richer during this time. Despite being the root cause, the bankers are still enjoying lavish bonuses as a reward for fixing the problem they caused.

    We see a rise in poverty and food banks because those in charge are out of touch with the reality of being poor, and think the poor themselves are to blame and only suffer through laziness on their part to better themselves, and the cuts are therefore designed to bully them out of being so lazy.

    The oddest thing of all is that the headline grabbing "scroungers" often remain unaffected because they have successfully "gamed the system", and the authorities CANNOT cut their benefits. One family with a dozen kids is "demanding" a bigger council house, and has so much money pouring in through benefits that they have managed to book a £10,000 lavish wedding, yet they are completely untouchable. The husband works as a van driver, thus escaping the benefits cap, and having "endless children" is a way to "game" the system as each one attracts a benefit that is not means tested nor subject to any kind of sanction. Economies of scale also means that it's possible to run a dozen kids at a fraction of the cost of running a single kid in 12 different households.

    It's because of these headlines that the ordinary poor, the ones who are too honest to "game the system", have to suffer food banks, evictions, etc.
     
  16. May 9, 2015
  17. JackTenOff

    JackTenOff Webmaster webmeister

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    I'm not over the moon about the conservative majority but at least I got something out of it (will probably end up putting it towards my healthcare in a few years :lolup: )
    UK General Election - anything but red!: 2015-05-09 00_09_15.jpg,May 9, 2015
     
  18. May 9, 2015
  19. sigothx1

    sigothx1 Experienced Member

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    While watching the result the only disappointment was farage not winning his seat, i dont want a ukip government, but i want a threat to the "big 2" namely cons and lab, lib dems are finished, they learnt first hand you cannot be a political party that stands for something if you will kneel to another party that offers you a slim chance at some power. And i felt if a fringe party were to gain some momentum it might shake the big 2.

    that said, i got the result i wanted, the second hottest topic to me is employment, ive worked since 4 days after i left schooling, and unemployment figures are at historical lows, something you cannot argue against, i hate welfare. There is jobs in this country and if your willing to search for them, there is no need to be unemployed, under labour we created a welfare state which unfortunately isn't going to dissapear, so for that reason, ill happily except another 5 years with the cons leading.

    if it wasnt for the SNP id have been gutted that the cons were back in power, but i do not under any circumstance want to see the snp deciding what laws will and wont pass as an Englishman, 45% of Scotland want to be independent, i say let them that way when it comes to an election we dont have to pander to them, there so much better off being in the UK and it annoys me they feel entitled to more.
     
  20. May 9, 2015
  21. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    One problem is that the current jobs, when taken, tend to totally bugger up the in-work benefits system because this system cannot handle the kinds of variable weekly hour and short term contract jobs on offer, and one can be offered 20 hours one week, but only 4 the next, and it can cause benefits to be stopped completely, and then it takes weeks to get them restarted.

    Universal Credit was supposed to produce an in-work benefits system that could handle the modern type of flexible work, and ensure that being in work would always mean being better off. Sadly, it has been one cock-up after another, and people are too afraid to take the risk of the knock on effects of having large swings in weekly hours when taking such jobs. Despite still being better off in the long term, the delays mean that bills don't get paid for weeks, and this can cause problems with bailiffs that would not happen with a lower, but steady, income on benefits. The screw-ups have left a feeling of mistrust of Universal Credit as a workable solution for modern employment practices.

    Then we have the headline grabbing, brazen, blatant scroungers who seem Teflon coated when it comes to welfare reform. They exploit a glaring loophole in the system - kids. Kids are passports to every benefit under the sun, they also produce that "Teflon coating" to one's claim such that the normal rules no longer apply. This isn't about those who just happen to have kids, it's about those who brazenly set out a plan to have kids specifically in order to hit certain criteria for further advancement along the benefit scale. If they just get that "token job" to get rid of the "benefits cap", they are laughing all the way to the bank.
     
  22. May 9, 2015
  23. thebigs

    thebigs Senior Member

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    There is only one thing we can do.For the next election we will form the Casinomeister Party and Nate can be the sponsor with all his winnings he will have accumulated by then.
     
  24. May 9, 2015
  25. ugaboga

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    Disappointing electoral system, first past the post is designed to benefit the large parties but does nothing for fair representation.

    Ukip 12% of the vote - 1 seat (4m or so votes)
    SNP 5% of the vote - 56 seats (1.5m or so votes)

    Makes no sense to me.

    Hopefully Nigel Farage will return to party leadership after his sabbatical. He comes across as the one genuine politician out there who doesn't pander and calls it like it is.
     
  26. May 9, 2015
  27. Mnx42

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    I dont normally respond to Political threads on forums but I wanted to today, to give my view on two things within this thread.
    1) I am happy with the result (I know some wont be) for many of the reasons stated in the thread.
    2) I agree entirely with the above. Proportionate representation, please.
     
  28. May 9, 2015
  29. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    The argument against PR has been that it will create perpetual "hung parliaments", and the chaotic Italian government was often cited as an example of the folly of such a system.

    The Lib Dems have tried to get PR considered, but have never managed to get into power, nor persuade the major parties to make the change. Why would they?, they would be signing away the end of absolute majorities in favour of always having to form coalitions Last session would have been their chance, but I expect the idea got slapped down by the Tories, so Lib Dem ideas more likely to succeed were pursued.

    Maybe the stats for UKIP vs SNP will reignite the debate over PR as it is a stark example of how the system penalises parties with broad support, but at a similar level throughout the country rather than polarised by region as is the support for the Tories and Labour, and indeed the SNP, which is why they managed to get 56 seats with a mere 5% of the vote.
     
  30. May 9, 2015
  31. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I have tried to think of a 100% fair proportional representation system which would give the party with the biggest number of votes the majority control in parliament (which is what we really need)... but after half-an-hour my brain-cells started to melt... :oops:

    I will think on that again, but in the meantime I am so happy that we DIDN'T end up with a hung parliament this time.
    I don't agree with everything the Conservatives do - but having read the key points of both manifestos last week, I think they have a much better plan than Labour did. Only time will tell. 5 years is not that long in politics, and with no-one to hold them back - we will soon see if theirs is the right plan or not...

    KK
     
  32. May 9, 2015
  33. Matti

    Matti Senior Member MM

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    I guess this result means that there will be a referendum about UK leaving the EU.

    Are their any polls showing how the result would be if they referendum were held today?
     
  34. May 9, 2015
  35. Casino2014man

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    This worries me a lot..

    The eu is a great thing and a lot of people in the UK have been brainwashed over years by people claiming this is the reason for all the 'immigrants' illegal or otherwise which just isn't true.

    I am from the UK and I like the eu, I like that I can up and work wherever I want, live wherever I want, and I am quite worried about all this
     
  36. May 9, 2015
  37. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    On balance I think the Conservatives have a better, more practical plan, but I take encouragement once again from the British system which always seems to deliver checks and balances on any one political party that rises to power.

    The Conservatives may have achieved a majority, but there is plenty of opposition in the new parliament to keep them on their toes, and that's always a good thing imo.

    Lots of political heads rolled this week, that's for sure.

    Edited to add that I believe Cameron specifically mentioned a referendum on EU membership at one point in his first speech outside No. 10 after he had presented himself to the Queen.
     
  38. May 9, 2015
  39. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    I am chuffed with the result - not a great Cameron fan but stability was needed and the current budgetary path needed following. Low interest rates, low inflation with pay increases above is a good combination for me at present and many others. Feel sorry for the LibDems as they did the right thing 5 years ago by providing a stable coalition. We'll get our referendum to leave the E-USSR which will settle the matter once and for all.
    The nightmare scenario of incompetent Marxist Millipede being led by the insane Sturgeon of the SNP has been avoided. I think outside Scotland many dreaded that so voted tactically.
    Don't read too much into the SNP success - they lost their referendum and it is not a reflection on the independence issue, but the Scots were told that no party in the UK would win an outright majority therefore a big SNP presence would likely yield them holding the balance of power. That is probably why we have a Conservative majority now....:D
    Sturgeon's face could barely conceal her dismay at the outcome, being expected to smile about the SNP success in Scotland, but behind the eyes she looked gutted as her success became irrelevant to the UK as a whole.
     

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