UK Fruit Machines Discussion

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EDIT: Simmo! I've split this thread from the Casino Affiliations poll thread (https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/casino-affiliation.12717/) as it's diversified. Just in case you wonder whythe first post doesn't make 100% sense :D



I have some casinos on my "Motorway Fruitmachines" website.

I have made the princely sum of ......... £22.50!!!!!!!!!!

This was just to test the waters really, I did not expect to make a fortune, but just make Fruitmachine players aware that an alternative does exist.

I expect that affiliates make money either by having a popular and trusted website, or by spamming everyone to death!

If I am spammed, but it turns out to be a casino I would have joined eventually, I join through Casinomeister, or Mutual.net if they have it (They do a shareback on the sign-up, usually worth £25 or so).

I have Casino Action, 32red and Intercasino UK, along with their poker operations. I have selected these as I have played there, and they have not screwed me over! These are all accredited Casinomeister casinos, and should be joined through here if you link to my site from a thread in casinomeister, as those are Bryans rules about promoting our own affiliations.

I have at least been spared the effort of adding Jackpot Factory:D :D Something I have been considering for a little while - just waiting for the fruit machine industry here to finally be put out of it's misery (it could change of course!).

The Fruitmachine Players are more keen on online Poker, they see casinos as a rip off. I have sometimes been asked questions about online casinos, and I have tried to encourage them to visit Casinomeister.
I now understand Texas Hold-em, but playing it well is a different matter!
It's mainy the etiquette.
 
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vinylweatherman said:
The Fruitmachine Players are more keen on online Poker, they see casinos as a rip off.

:lolup: Excellent. Someone needs to tell them that the 95% ER from an online slot is slightly better than the 75% from the fruities :D
 

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Simmo! said:
:lolup: Excellent. Someone needs to tell them that the 95% ER from an online slot is slightly better than the 75%:what: from the fruities :D

Not been up the Motorway for a while then!. 70% to 74% is now the norm, BUT they have cottoned on, and are bringing in "Aussie" style games just like the online slots that pay 90% for 50p a go rising to 94% to 2 a go. (This is because they are Keno machines with the results of the 20 "picks" displayed as a slot machine win). There are some that sem to be true slots though, where the prizes are scaled to your stake.

The Fruit Machine forum is full of chat prophecying the end of the industry, but online casinos are seen as a rip off because even the 90% "Keno slots" seem to just take and take and never pay. Poker is seen as a game of skill, and some mention "chess rooms" where chess is played for money.

I think if they played online, they would see that the likes of Ladies Nite will give 400 to 500 from a 2 spin more often than the "Aussie style" Keno games pretending to be slots.

I have just had a set of 5 Owls on Witches Wealth for 450 from a 1.80 spin, so I can vouch for it!

I put Casino Action on my site, having played there, due mainly to the fact that they allow extremely LOW stakes on pretty much everything, as well as catering for high rollers who like to lump in with 500 a hand! I have not seen 5 Reel Drive on a 1p coin at ANY other MG.
 

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vinylweatherman said:
I have some casinos on my "Motorway Fruitmachines" website.

I have made the princely sum of ......... £22.50!!!!!!!!!!
Well that's more than me so far!! :oops:

Although it’s nice, I’m not really sure what the point of your site is. I’ve looked (albeit briefly) at a few ‘Fruit Machine’ websites, but have yet to find any which tell us sad fruity addicts what we really want to know:-
How can you empty the blinking things without having the keys???
Are there really ways to play them to guarantee making a profit? :confused:

I’ve tried the play 'til it pays method a few times (do not take any wins except the jackpot), but this has always taken £30-50 investment to finally release the £25 payout.
All it seems to do is reduce the payout from 80% to 50%! :eek:
 

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vinylweatherman said:
The Fruitmachine Players are more keen on online Poker, they see casinos as a rip off...
That's really funny! :lolup:
They see casino's as a rip off yet they play rigged machines all the time! :eek:
Poker may well be 100% fair, but it's 1000% harder to win at than casinos!

BTW, being a fruity expert do you know of any websites which give reel strips and descriptions of what the features do on various UK machines?
I find it very frustrating when playing that I dont know what most of the features do! (Some of them have totally obscure names which mean nothing to the player).

If there arent any sites with this information maybe youd consider researching and adding it to yours?
This is something I would 100% definitely pay money for! :thumbsup:
 

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vinylweatherman said:
The Fruitmachine Players are more keen on online Poker, they see casinos as a rip off.

...And how did you come across this observation VWM?

I personally think that every now and then the fruit machine player will only turn to poker, just to play a 'fair' game of gambling.

This, as far as I can tell, is the ONLY reason a fruit machine player will turn to online poker.

The other 98% of the time, they want the self-punishment.

Fruit machine players do not see online casinos as a rip off! Why? Your statement does not make any sense at all.
 

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vinylweatherman said:
...BUT they have cottoned on, and are bringing in "Aussie" style games just like the online slots that pay 90% for 50p a go rising to 94% to £2 a go.

Hmm thats interesting. Will the jackpot payouts be larger than £25 or whatever they are these days as a result? Or is the law still holding firm on that?
 

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Simmo! said:
Hmm thats interesting. Will the jackpot payouts be larger than £25 or whatever they are these days as a result? Or is the law still holding firm on that?
I think he's talking about the new £500 jackpot machines.
Have you not seen them?
They seem to be in all the arcades now (open to all over 18's - no restrictions! :eek: )
 

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I think he's talking about the new 500 jackpot machines.
Have you not seen them?
They seem to be in all the arcades now (open to all over 18's - no restrictions! :eek: )

Ah wow! Looking forward to my next trip to Brighton already :D
 

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Fruit Machines

The traditional UK "Fruit Machine" is nothing like a Vegas or Aussie slot (until recently).

While 85% or more was the norm when the first 20p stakes were allowed, this has been steadily cut back to the minimun 70% in many places. The main reason that players with the right skill, and nowdays more the right contacts and information, can win on them is for one reason, THEY ARE RIGGED, NOT RANDOM!

One method is "the Force", this involves playing ONLY for the top win or feature, and gambling everything on a "boom or bust" basis.

Other methods exploit loopholes in the software that is used in the "Cheating". Sometimes, the complications in the game allow a very specific event, or train of events, to be taken that leads to an "unrecorded payout". The machine pays the win, but does not deduct it from the cheating part of the software. In effect, it is a "Free Win". If this is the only win ever collected, the machine will become increasingly "loose", and be willing to pay more and more. With a suitably disciplined approach, the entire contents of the hopper can be extracted, around 125 to 250. Doing it is simple, finding out about the method in time, and using it before it is patched is the big problem, and has been partly caused by the internet.

The fruit machine players who see online casinos as a "rip off" are mainly those who have played the "casino games" on offer in the betting shops, and have been severly stung on the 500 Jackpot machines. I believe the problem is that they expect to be able to manipulate or force these games for the top payoff, just as with fruit machines. Clearly, some on this forum do not hold this view, as they play online and can see for themselves.

I certainly had plans for my site, and it costs only 30 per year to have, so I probably will do some more research on Fruit Machines, and expand on casinos. I HAVE posted some methods, but they are on a hidden link, just click away and you will hit it!!! They have most likely all been patched to death now though.

There are many forums for UK Fruit Machines, the most basic is superarcadia.co.uk - expect a good deal of "potty language" though, as well as bragging, lewd posts about "sex", including pictures, an awful lot of spam, personal abuse, etc. School holidays are the most fun, when all the kids who are too young to play post about all the methods they know, and the piles they have won.

I DID post a "certain" Royal Flush from Phoenician last year, and they seemed to have little to outbrag me on that, so resorted to personal abuse of me and my website!

Posting is anonymous, and one can have several aliases.

For a more civilised experience, try www.gambling-guide.co.uk this will have links toother sites.
Possibly of interest are the "fruit-emu" sites, where emulators and ROM's can be obtained for many past UK Fruit Machines, and run on the PC!
These are not "official", but put together by a group of players and are FREE, I said FREE - Do NOT pay for the CD compilation on eBay!

I am sure many casino players from the UK started with Fruit Machines, just like I did, and expanded as the internet grew. Getting paid from an online casinos is probably easier that getting paid from a Welcome Break service station, whose staff will "refund your initial deposit" of a 1 coin and expect you to fill in a form for the rest. A problem when machines are poorly maintained and incidents keep on happening. My site will also list known faults with individual machines on the Motorways too, but I have not uploaded many of these lists as I am wrestling with table design on a "teach myself" basis.
 

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vinylweatherman said:
For a more civilised experience, try www.gambling-guide.co.uk this will have links toother sites.

jeez that forum is in a foreign language :D Well to me anyway. I'm getting the gist, but what's with the "red" thing? Red is obviously good...but what the hell is it? :D

And when you're forcing, do you play to bust or jackpot every time? Very Martingale :)
 

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The fruit machines sound similar to our "hot spot" machines

When I lived in Georgia we had some pretty good machines at some gas and convenience stores called "Hot Spots". You gambled with money but you couldn't win money because gambling was illegal. Instead, you were supposed to take your winnings in gas and items from the convenience stores. Few wanted to do that, so the stores also offered gift certificates for the bigger wins, a minimum of a $50 cashout. Those were what you wanted as they were for WalMart, Target, Home Depot, etc.
I did quite nicely on these, but then the government took them away.:mad: Gambling still isn't legal in that state. But of course they DO have the state run lottery......
 

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As a "retiree" from UK machines I can attest that the best players out there EASILY made 20000 a year and some over 50000. If you were lucky enough to discover a trick (Faault or other way of emptying a machine) you could make even more.

My best year was over 50000 and that was the year of ACE's hidden treasures machines. Happy days!!!!
 

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nafanny29 said:
As a "retiree" from UK machines I can attest that the best players out there EASILY made 20000 a year and some over 50000. If you were lucky enough to discover a trick (Faault or other way of emptying a machine) you could make even more.

My best year was over 50000 and that was the year of ACE's hidden treasures machines. Happy days!!!!

Those treasures were great. Pity I had a job and didn't have them locally to analyse. I fould out the first method just as the patch went in, but I caught the last month or so of the "Payrise" method. At 1000+ in a week up the motorway, with much competition as well, 50,000 from someone with this method early on could be considered to LOW, rather than an exaggeration!
This was before the net though, but nowdays the methods burn out very quickly once out in the open. I have been unable to make consistent profit since the abolition of Tokens, and the removal of the skill based features and the introduction of software 3 blocks on all the features however high up the ladder they are. the "force" is the only way to overcome this, it breaks down each software block in turn till the machine streaks. If caught right, the streak pays more than is put in to force it out. At the now ubiquitous 70%, even this method is hard. if they were set to the payouts of the 500 games (90% to 94%), the skilled players could still win easily.

UK Fruit Machines do NOT offer deposit bonuses, nor do they give comp points for play. In mitigation, the software is not up to the standard of the online casino, as only 200 or so per machine is ever at risk from a bug, and lifespan is short.
 

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vinylweatherman said:
Those treasures were great. Pity I had a job and didn't have them locally to analyse. I fould out the first method just as the patch went in, but I caught the last month or so of the "Payrise" method. At 1000+ in a week up the motorway, with much competition as well, 50,000 from someone with this method early on could be considered to LOW, rather than an exaggeration!

After payrise spot the pea it was the "switch off" method (You get a win on the payline and just switch the machine off. You get the win but the machine didnt update its memory!! And that worked on ALL aces, maygays and JPMs for 6 months!!! I found it late but still did ok:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

That takes me back, good years indeed. More money than sense then but it did help pulling the ladies back then:D
 

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I don't know much about fruit machines. I knew they were rigged, but I never understood why they were rigged in a way that allowed skilled players could win.
 

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GrandMaster said:
I don't know much about fruit machines. I knew they were rigged, but I never understood why they were rigged in a way that allowed skilled players could win.

I think a lot of the 'backdoors' tend to be put in deliberately by the coders so they can exploit them personally, or sell them to those who will.
 

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nafanny29 said:
That takes me back, good years indeed. More money than sense then but it did help pulling the ladies back then:D


Nafanny/Vinyl

Do you know how this thread makes me feel?

F*CKING JEALOUS! :)

Why was I never aware of what was going on? (well done mates :thumbsup: )

Not that I ever lost money on these machines I never played them because I knew they were rigged.

Quite liked the quiz machines though, but that is a different story. ;)

Mitch
 

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I think a lot of the 'backdoors' tend to be put in deliberately by the coders so they can exploit them personally, or sell them to those who will.
That sounds like a complete lack of quality control.
 

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So what you 'experts' are saying is, there are no ways to exploit the machines these days, and therefore any slim hope I had of ever recovering the 10,000's I've lost on the darned things has flown out the window? :mad:

Well thanks a bunch!

nafanny29 said:
That takes me back, good years indeed. More money than sense then but it did help pulling the ladies back then:D
At least my money went to a good cause! :thumbsup: ;)
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KasinoKing said:
So what you 'experts' are saying is, there are no ways to exploit the machines these days, and therefore any slim hope I had of ever recovering the £10,000's I've lost on the darned things has flown out the window? :mad:

Well thanks a bunch!


At least my money went to a good cause! :thumbsup: ;)
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Get down the pier and feel The Force KK :)


VinylWeatherMan: You skipped my "red" question above? My curiosity is peaked???
 

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Answers.

Simmo! said:
Get down the pier and feel The Force KK :)


VinylWeatherMan: You skipped my "red" question above? My curiosity is peaked???

I will answer two here.

KK - There are just as many methods as before, the thing is getting hold of them in the first place, you need to know people, and they will often want a sizeable "bung" (5000 not unheard of) to tell, you have no way of telling if the investment will pay. Methods only last a matter of weeks once too many players are doing it. Advances in technology have made it easier for operators to spot atypical behaviour, and they know all about these methods.
The "switch off" still works, but is hardly discreet, and you will likely be manhandled off the premises and barred the first atempt (I've seen this happen when someone was seen trying it on internal CCTV).
The best methods are those that involve playing game sequences, as in the "spot the pea" example. The player appears to be doing nothing "odd", and if they ensure they do NOT totally empty the machine they can come back again and again ad nauseum for several months before the operator smells the proverbial rat.

I regularly was able to "do" 3 machines on the motorway that had somehow escaped getting the "patch" until the end of 2004! Even last year, one of these remained!

The latest methods involve compromising the notechangers and confusing them into giving the credits without having taken the relevant currency. This has been the big scam of late, and has received the most attention from the operators.

There is a thin line between "advantage play" and simple theft. Some "players" have been arrested for methods that do not involve actually playing the games, such as fiddling the notechangers, dud coins etc.
 

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vinylweatherman said:
The best methods are those that involve playing game sequences, as in the "spot the pea" example. The player appears to be doing nothing "odd", and if they ensure they do NOT totally empty the machine they can come back again and again ad nauseum for several months before the operator smells the proverbial rat.
Could you possibly expain that in English for those who don't speak Fruitish?

What has peeing got to do with winning? :confused:
 

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The forum, in it's wisdom, ditched my paragraph about the "red". Even using the browser "back" button I was unable to retrieve it!

Red = Invincible mode.

In this mode, any play on the feature trail will end up with at least the jackpot in all but extreme cases. The machine will often indicate that this is a very special feature play by having many of the lighting turn red, from the normal colours which are normally yellow, green or blue based. The lamps may also pulse, or "Flash". Sometimes this is called the "Red Flash".

There is another mode called the "Silent Invincible". Unless you are a "fruitist" you had better leave that one to the experts:D

Spot the Pea, this was a feature on a machine made by ACE in the early 90's. Due to their third software screw-up in as many years, this feature, while mostly "piss-poor" in the size of prizes it awarded, said prizes were not recorded, so were "free wins". Emptying the machine was possible due to it being non random as well as the wins not being recorded. Eventually the machine became so loose that EVERY SPIN was capable of delivering "spot the pea", and the prizes were then enough. Once the machine was nearly empty, players would start taking all the other features, which were recorded wins, and the machine would tighten enough to not actually empty. It was then refilled by "Mug Punters" (and in some cases the operator!), and could be revisited and done over again.

Since then, there are still such bugs in the games, and once one is found it is a scramble to take it for all it's worth before the patch. Because of the internet, players in the know will often take the machine empty, as the patch could be along by the Monday morning. When the game is popular, the takings can be good. One day, I hope to discover one of these myself, one that no-one really knows, and use it in full over several months. It would make a great trip for me and my van:D
 
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