UK Conservative Party Leadership Election

[ChopleyIOM]

So the final match result is:
TOFU-EATING LEFTY LIBERAL SNOWFLAKE WOKERATI - 4 : 0 - OUTRAGED TORIES WHO BELIEVE IN FREE SPEECH SOMETIMES

Just goes to show what workers standing in solidarity with each other and taking collective action can achieve. No apology or climbdown from Gary, BBC has done a complete reverse ferret and apologised for stuffing it up, and will review its social media guidelines. (i.e. A sports presenter can express personal political views on a platform with no connection whatsoever to the BBC, is I suspect where we'll end up.)

And the whole thing could have been completely avoided if those who purported to be outraged had even remotely upheld their own supposed values of not being all snowflakey and cancel culturey about things. (Wahhhh, the football presenter said a mean thing.)

To stick with the football theme, it has been an absolutely spectacular own goal.

As a final kicker (pun intended), the fiasco can ultimately be traced back to Boris Johnson's shameful decision to parachute a mate of his, who personally helped secure an £800K loan for him, into the role of BBC Chairman as a kickback. There is nothing that man touches that doesn't turn to shit.

 

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...."doesn't compare to the plight of those fleeing your home from persecution or war to seek refuge in a land far away..."

Now let's remember - the UK has sponsored and welcomed tens of thousands of GENUINE refugees from the Ukraine war as well as donating more to the country than anyone bar the USA. So what the fuck is the odious tw*t rattling on about?

OH! I see! Any chancer from a safe country like Pakistan, Albania, China, Vietnam criminally trespassing into UK territory from safe EU countries now counts as a 'refugee', without question or inquiry.

Sadly for luggy, 71% of the UK populace are in favour of the actions to stop the bogus asylum seeker crisis, but we won't let that poll get in the way of the scoial media 'experts' shall we?

Perhaps St. Gary will now reveal this mysterious 'Abdul' to us, who he allegedly took into his home.

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"It's heartwarming to have seen the empathy towards their plight from so many of you."

Again, the arrogance! - the majority of those who stand up for him (aside from fellow BBC drones and acolytes) DON'T agree with his views, but support his right to voice them. Most people (a fact this bloke cannot seem to pick up via his two attached satellite dishes) want an end to this undocumented chancer invasion and failure to protect our borders.

 

[goatwack]

Again, the only cozen rhetoric that's being espoused by the 'just' champagne Socialists of the Gary Lineker strain is that the UK is some fascistic, immigrant-loathing floating demesne that 'revels' in keeping 'them bloody forinurs aht innit', when that couldn't be further from the truth.

As long as I've known it, it's been the epicentre of acceptance, tolerance, and welcoming people of all creeds and ethnicities, all the while integrating communities and being a beacon of generosity for those in need, where housing, education and healthcare are all but granted without hesitation.

I challenge any other country to have shown the societal and cultural acceptance the UK has. Clue: there isn't one

So when the likes of Lineker promulgate their linear, insular world views as truths, it's nothing but a falsehood, given his knowing seemingly nothing about the country he purports to represent in his parochial hot takes.

Now if he were to champion causes that are seemingly overlooked on a whim, say, homelessness/ mental health/ schooling etc, wouldn't that be a thing? And wouldn't his paying his taxes not go some way towards helping the UK?

Yet no, people like him will continue to believe that every unchecked boat arrival is genuine, every one a cruel victim fleeing persecution, and that the UK has no right in vetting.....anyone.

And it's that sort of blinkered thinking that has pretty much worn out Brits' acceptance, tolerance & welcoming of all people, given that 'anything goes' in lefties' Unicorn Land. Not that they'd ever acknowledge any of it from their ivory towers, mind

 

[mack341]

"I would like to thank my millionaire football mates for going on strike and helping me keep the bbc over a barrel. I hope the packed boats keep arriving and the govt is forced to spend a fortune keeping the bogus asylum seekers housed, warm and fed. I will also continue to try and avoid paying as much into the uk tax pot as possible. Thank you for being so generous, warm and gullible."

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The whole thing's worth it just to watch Farage look like a slapped toddler's arse for three minutes.

Bonus points to him for getting the word 'woke' in there too. On the other hand I deduct a couple of points for him getting 'licence' and 'license' mixed up (noun/verb), but it's Farage so we'll let him off for that.

Speaking as a licence fee payer myself, I'm delighted by the whole thing, but then again, I am woke.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Again, the only cozen rhetoric that's being espoused by the 'just' champagne Socialists of the Gary Lineker strain is that the UK is some fascistic, immigrant-loathing floating demesne that 'revels' in keeping 'them bloody forinurs aht innit', when that couldn't be further from the truth.

As long as I've known it, it's been the epicentre of acceptance, tolerance, and welcoming people of all creeds and ethnicities, all the while integrating communities and being a beacon of generosity for those in need, where housing, education and healthcare are all but granted without hesitation.

I challenge any other country to have shown the societal and cultural acceptance the UK has. Clue: there isn't one

So when the likes of Lineker promulgate their linear, insular world views as truths, it's nothing but a falsehood, given his knowing seemingly nothing about the country he purports to represent in his parochial hot takes.

Now if he were to champion causes that are seemingly overlooked on a whim, say, homelessness/ mental health/ schooling etc, wouldn't that be a thing? And wouldn't his paying his taxes not go some way towards helping the UK?

Yet no, people like him will continue to believe that every unchecked boat arrival is genuine, every one a cruel victim fleeing persecution, and that the UK has no right in vetting.....anyone.

And it's that sort of blinkered thinking that has pretty much worn out Brits' acceptance, tolerance & welcoming of all people, given that 'anything goes' in lefties' Unicorn Land. Not that they'd ever acknowledge any of it from their ivory towers, mind

But that's literally just British exceptionalism, you first establish the UK as being 'the best' -

I challenge any other country to have shown the societal and cultural acceptance the UK has. Clue: there isn't one

And having determined that the UK is 'the best', any criticism of it is therefore invalid, unjust, unpatriotic, 'wokey libs' or whatever else. However, you also need to explain away the UK government's brutally inhumane proposed refugee policy, but it can't be wrong because you've already decided that the UK is 'the best', so you then have to point the finger at all the wokey libs who through their overly permissive attitudes have forced the hand of 'sensible Brits' to endorse something that is truly dreadful.

But it's OK, because that would never have happened if the likes of Lineker hadn't opened their big mouths, because deep down even those Brits who are championing a policy so vile it's drawn criticism from all around the world (and is almost certainly illegal under international law), are incredibly tolerant and welcoming really, except they can't be right now because of all those pesky woketard libs.

It's an incredible display of mental gymnastics, I'll give you that!

The other problem here is that the plan won't even remotely stop the boats, at all, there is nothing in the plan to stop the boats coming here, just indefinite detention and endlessly trying to deport people here, there and everywhere, it's not so much stop the boats as keep the people here once they arrive, without trying to process them properly.

What we need is a functional asylum system that provides safe and legitimate means for people to get here and claim asylum (like we managed with great ease for Ukrainians, how many of them turned up here in small boats? Precisely zero because we had a proper process to facilitate them), which also, by definition, gives us the means to vet them properly and assess their claims in an efficient manner.

I absolutely and 100% promise you that whatever horseshit bill the government eventually ends up getting onto the statute books at the end of this process, it will do precisely naff all to 'stop the boats', I guarantee it - let's see where they're up to with it by the time of the next general election.

(Brexit was supposed to be the big thing to fix this remember, we've been properly out of the EU for over three years now, and it's worse than ever, Dublin III Regulation, shame we lost that eh?)

 

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Oh good. At least we agree on something!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

This is certainly a take from the Daily Mail.

The Tories have had thirteen years in power, five Prime Ministers, almost all of the print and commercial broadcast media cheerleading for them, four general election victories, 80 seat majority at the last one, Brexit ‘victory’, they can get anything they want through the Commons (witness last night's vote), and all the rest of it.

And who's to blame for the current shitshow? Anti-Tory groupthink, of course. Lol.

Always. Someone. Else's. Fault.

 

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Pre-Budget announcements looking spicy, with pensioners being propped up to work the fields longer, whilst Energy prices are being 'frozen', albeit at a level most can still ill afford!

Bad news for winos everywhere though, as a hike of 45p is expected

 

[mack341]

This is certainly a take from the Daily Mail.

The Tories have had thirteen years in power, five Prime Ministers, almost all of the print and commercial broadcast media cheerleading for them, four general election victories, 80 seat majority at the last one, Brexit ‘victory’, they can get anything they want through the Commons (witness last night's vote), and all the rest of it.

And who's to blame for the current shitshow? Anti-Tory groupthink, of course. Lol.

Always. Someone. Else's. Fault.

Blairism's third way is still in control, a mix of thatcherite economic instincts and socialism lite. Chuck in reverence and fear of upsetting woke folk and the lgbtq agenda. A tory govt would lead more from the front before, you might not like the direction or policies but it was strong or felt like it was, this lot are a shadow of that.

John Redwood is probably one of a few left with the required level of seriousness, rather than drawn to pr stunts and trying to smile and be 'inclusive' all the time. The poll tax disaster and then john major obtaining leadership position [when he clearly was the lesser amongst his peers] were probably big signs the wheels had come off in terms of the party they had been.

Edit: Actually I've just remembered Jimmy Savile being put into a high management role of broadmoor by the conservative govt of 1988, when thatcher was still leader, that wasn't exactly sound decision making. Even at the time, before the revelations, I can't quite believe someone with a conservative mindset would think 'yes this makes sense, give responsibility to Savile'.

 

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Blairism's third way is still in control, a mix of thatcherite economic instincts and socialism lite. Chuck in reverence and fear of upsetting woke folk and the lgbtq agenda. A tory govt would lead more from the front before, you might not like the direction or policies but it was strong or felt like it was, this lot are a shadow of that.

John Redwood is probably one of a few left with the required level of seriousness, rather than drawn to pr stunts and trying to smile and be 'inclusive' all the time. The poll tax disaster and then john major obtaining leadership position [when he clearly was the lesser amongst his peers] were probably big signs the wheels had come off in terms of the party they had been.

Edit: Actually I've just remembered Jimmy Savile being put into a high management role of broadmoor by the conservative govt of 1988, when thatcher was still leader, that wasn't exactly sound decision making. Even at the time, before the revelations, I can't quite believe someone with a conservative mindset would think 'yes this makes sense, give responsibility to Savile'.

I think she meant to put him IN Broadmoor but there was an administrative error.

Anyway, Do ya wanna be in my gang?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So are we all blown away by Hunt's budget of nothingness? If you're already wealthy it's good news, for example top rate tax payers who have already reached their lifetime pension limit can now save loads more without paying extra tax, saving them about £27K per year.

Quite amusing to see Hunt say 'A lesson for the party opposite, they put taxes up, we cut them', when after thirteen years of Tory rule the tax burden is now the highest it's been for seventy years.

We're also looking at real wages not returning to 2008 levels until 2026/27, at the earliest.

Needless to say he's leaning very heavily into them starting to win the 'fight against inflation', when as previously established, that would have happened anyway as an absolute inevitability.

Basically, unless you're already up the top end in terms of wealth, things are going to carry on being shit, they'll just be getting shitter at a slightly slower rate, if you're lucky. And all that price inflation we've had baked in already, and the more that is to come? That's not going anywhere, permanently higher prices on everything are here to stay, with pay not even remotely keeping up, and no tax cuts for normal folk.

 

[mack341]

That's not going anywhere, permanently higher prices on everything are here to stay, with pay not even remotely keeping up, and no tax cuts for normal folk.

I seem to remember that was the thing liz Truss was trying to achieve but I could be mistaken. I agree about the tax comment, ridiculous when you've been in charge for nearly a decade and a half, some MPs were probably still at school when Brown was chancellor. The only good thing I can see is the energy cap being extended, that at least gives people one less thing to worry about [though the current prices are still horrendous but at least getting no worse] till june.

This below seems to be more pointlessness, worrying about carbon storage when trees do that naturally, gas storage is more important so we can avoid shortages next winter.

• Commitment to invest £20bn over next two decades on low-carbon energy projects, with a focus on carbon capture and storage

I think I read Sunak has done something to the grid to increase the energy flow to his indoor swimming pool, can't imagine maggie T doing something like that in a time of economic crisis.

 

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[mack341]

The thing with Gary for me is he doesn't actually come across too bad in the football presenting, and his walker crisp adverts were mildly amusing as adverts go these days.

Hard to understand why he's unable to recognise the difference between a genuine asylum seeker and economic migrant, the former doesn't pick and choose the safe country, they're just relieved their nails or eyes are safe from torture.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Looks like the Tories aren't getting much in the way of a BUDGET BOUNCE or a SMALL BOATS BOUNCE.

The Rwanda policy actually polls really badly outside of the, how can I put this politely, slightly more fanatical wing of the party, who would always vote Conservative anyway - a lot of more centrist/moderate Tories are repulsed by it.

 

[mack341]

They will get a bounce if the boats actually disappear, highly doubt any conservative voters are repulsed by the concept given the situation and numbers we've already accommodated.

Left wingers are deranged about this subject, what do they want England [as that's where most end up] to look like in 10-20 yrs?

 

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[ChopleyIOM]

Inflation back up to 10.4% today, so as well as the highest taxes for 70 years, we've got the highest inflation for 40 years, thank the lord the party of economic competence is at the helm eh?

And as you can see from the chart below, the further down the income scale you are, the worse you're doing, with those at the top still making out like bandits, thank you very much.

Also raises the risk that interest rates will rise again tomorrow.

So basically, everything's shit and it's probably going to get shitter.

 

[mack341]

And labour would improve the situation on the basis of what, Starmer seems to be suggesting he'd be another steady hand on the tiller type, after a short honeymoon period it would be a constant stream of woke lectures every wednesday, followed by gesture politics and ukgc style control freakery.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Oh no not the wokies again! The last thing we want in our politicians is for them to be attentive to societal facts and issues!

Better to just let the Tories carry on ransacking the UK like they have been for the last thirteen years, because that's worked out well.

 

[mack341]

Oh no not the wokies again! The last thing we want in our politicians is for them to be attentive to societal facts and issues!

Better to just let the Tories carry on ransacking the UK like they have been for the last thirteen years, because that's worked out well.

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So you don't disagree with my prediction that it will happen but instead see this eventuality as a good thing!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

It's going to be hard to crack one out to this.

I'm on bloody leave and here I am watching Boris Johnson give evidence to MPs about Partygate. The curse of being interested in politics I suppose.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Holy shit this is bad, he's flailing around terribly, which is understandable to the extent that he's been caught red-handed and is trying to lie his way out of it.

So used to the rules not applying to him, so used to lying his way out of everything with no consequences, all he's got now is bluff and bluster and bullshit - and it isn't going to work.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Crikey I know the Doolally Mail is the toilet paper Boris Johnson fanzine but this is fucking embarrassing regardless.

I actually watched Johnson at the hearing yesterday and he was terrible, clearly losing his temper on several occasions and delivering meandering waffley answers that had his actual lawyer rolling his eyes and pulling multiple bemused faces.

But nope, according to the Mail - AGILE AS A CAT!