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Tradition - Closed or NOT?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by WagerWitch, May 23, 2010.

    May 23, 2010
  1. WagerWitch

    WagerWitch Dormant account webmeister

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    Now - I stood up for Tradition before, on the basis that I believe everyone is entitled to make mistakes - and hoped they were HONESTLY trying to fix them...

    But I have a little concern here.

    As an affiliate, I pulled Tradition from my site weeks ago - as some of you may remember I did not have my information (which I kept my passwords on a very specific piece of equipment - which my almost soon to be ex took with him when he left)... Anyhow - as soon as I got my info back - I went into my site and changed everything regarding Tradition, until at least they proved that they were fixing things.

    NOW - I thought they were going to get their act together... I mean - hey - it seemed like the owner was really trying to communicate with everyone - and was really trying to explain things (no matter how badly they mangled the conversation - they at least tried.)

    Anyhow HERE IS MY MAJOR CONCERN:


    On 5/21 Tradition sent out notices to players about bonuses:



    and they also sent out one to players on 5/20

    Yet on 5/22 Tradition (IGAMING) sent an email out to all the affiliates:


    So --- I have YET --- to see ANYTHING written to the PLAYERS regarding TRADITION going out of business.

    The Casino STILL Loads up and you can STILL LOG on...

    So what does this mean?

    Is IGAMING - actually Tradition?

    I mean - a thousand questions are running through my head at this development - and none of them are very good right now...

    While I would like to give the benefit of the doubt in this case - I am not seeing any possible alternative than PURE Negligence or quite possibly thievery - IF.... and IF Igaming's letter to all the affiliates is true.

    Rival has not made an announcement - and while I see that affiliates will make money up to June 5th - WHAT OF PLAYERS after that?

    And why hasn't RIVAL made an announcement to affiliates and players?

    I'm sorry - what EXACTLY is going on here?

    Anyone?
     
  2. May 24, 2010
  3. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Rival NEVER make any sort of announcements to players or affiliates, EVER.
    I'm surprised that someone like you, who has been around this game for some time, does not know that.

    I'm also surprised you haven't read the other threads here at CM which discuss this same issue.

    As I understand it, ownership of Tradition Casino has passed back to Rival themselves and, for the time being at least, it will carry on running as normal - players will not notice any difference (except bonus offers may change/disappear).
    The same applies to iGamingPro - affiliates will not see anything change.

    The original incompetent idiot owners are no longer on the scene - not a bad thing IMHO.

    So to answer your original question; NOT closed.
    (Yet).

    KK
     
  4. May 25, 2010
  5. felicie

    felicie Dormant account

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    Sounds more like another group of good people couldn't live with Rival's bullshit to me. I can not understand what the faith here in Rival is built on.
     
  6. May 25, 2010
  7. takethemoney

    takethemoney Banned User - Chargebacks at Slotastic

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    Well, does zero accredited Rival casinos tell you anything? All that does is tell me to run!
     
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  8. May 25, 2010
  9. puppydog07

    puppydog07 Dormant account

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    Wait for me im outa here too!!

    Yes take the money i think thats really quite sensible advice...think there needs to be a huge amount of caution used when it comes to rival, especially some of the latest entries to the market.

    I have played at paradise 8 from there very early inception and had some luck but now i have shelved them too, too many stories involving greif when it comes to verifications and withdrawls.

    thanks puppy:D
     
  10. May 25, 2010
  11. WagerWitch

    WagerWitch Dormant account webmeister

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    At the time that this post was made - the only thread showing was the old Tradition thread.

    My concern is not whether anyone will notice any difference - but the simple fact - Tradition announces to the affiliates that they are closing their doors - which means Igaming.

    SO - players that have been sent via the affiliates - will continue to play - yet - the tracking has NOT been addressed.

    Igaming is directly Tradition - and is not rival - just like Rockbet - and any other Rival casino - while the shell appears the same - the underground team of elves - are not.

    So with that said - players who are unaware are still playing Tradition - yet affiliate support specifically for Tradition stops on June 5th.

    If Tradition closes their doors and/or reverts back to Rival - who will be making the payouts? Both to the players and/or the affiliates.

    These questions are certainly not addressed.
     
  12. May 25, 2010
  13. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Well that's a matter of opinion, of course. IMO, despite all their numerous faults, I have no knowledge of Rival ever ripping off players or affiliates so I am happier having the casino in their hands than under the control of the loose canons at iGamingPro.

    KK
     
  14. May 25, 2010
  15. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Bullshit is a two-way street...

    WRONG!



    WRONG!


    WRONG!


    VERY WRONG! :eek:

    KK
     
  16. May 25, 2010
  17. maphesto

    maphesto Dormant account

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    Good people? They maybe was kind and tried to be helpful. Still their manager here showed us that she didn't even know that you can't hit BJ with skills.

    Their incompetence made several Rival casinos to lose their accreditation.

    I trust Sloto'cash, Box24 and Black Diamond in the same way I trust bigger MG and RTG casinos.

    What I don't like is the Rival central support, bonus abuse list and payout system. Slow and delaying.
    Probably also because a lack of workers.

    Several Rival casinos don't use the central support, payout system or the bonus ban list.
     
  18. May 25, 2010
  19. Pinababy69

    Pinababy69 RIP Lisa

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    I know Maphesto....all these years gambling, and if I had only known that had I taken the time to develop my skills...I could have had blackjacks coming out the wazoo. I could have been rich!! Damn, stupid me. Maybe it's just a matter of "willing" the Aces and Faces to pop out of the deck on command? Maybe those are the "skills" she was referring to? :D
     
  20. May 25, 2010
  21. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming

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    I think we have have a language misunderstanding, happens when you have non native speakers trying to communicate.

    Please correct me if I am wrong, I believe when maphesto said "blackjack" he/she meant "21".
    This is a common mistake for non native english speakers to make.

    Blackjack = Ace and face card.

    21= card count.
     
  22. May 25, 2010
  23. Pinababy69

    Pinababy69 RIP Lisa

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    LOL lots0, I (and Maphesto) were referring to the Tradition rep's assertion (in the cheating Tradition thread), that the skilled players would get more blackjacks (not 21, but blackjacks). Which led us all to the conclusion that she didn't even have a rudimentary understanding of the game. And didn't understand that there is zero skill involved in getting an Ace and a Face dealt to you. And thus, had no business running a casino.

    My lame attempt at sarcasm. :oops:
     
  24. May 25, 2010
  25. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming

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    Ahh, OK. :oops:

    This is what happens when you don't keep up with stuff here...
     
  26. May 25, 2010
  27. maphesto

    maphesto Dormant account

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    Nah!

    There are absolutely more hard to communicate man-woman than using english on this board. At least, we on the board are trying to use same language...:D

    I'm all man. At least last time I looked.
     
  28. May 25, 2010
  29. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming

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    LOL... I thought so, but the "I have a headache" thing made me wonder... ;)

    I hear that from my woman... a lot. :( (just jokeing... really, I was Honey...)
     
  30. May 25, 2010
  31. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    The thread was about short payment of 1:1 on BLACKJACKS. "21" ALWAYS pays 1:1, only a dealt BJ benefits from 3:2. There was no language barrier, since the comment related to skilled players getting more BLACKJACKS, and was in defence of figures showing too few BLACKJACKS having been recorded in a given number of games.

    The rep cannot wriggle out of this by saying this was an error due to the language barrier, she made it clear she meant BJs, which should have been paid 3:2, but were mistakenly paid 1:1.

    The announcement to affiliates said they had held off for MONTHS before taking this decision, so they were ALREADY struggling BEFORE this problem emerged with the Blackjack short payments, which was explained away as a mistake made by a trainee, yet was not PROPERLY fixed for a MONTH, despite being reported much earlier by another player.

    This looks VERY SUSPICIOUS, and more like "sharp practice" was being employed to dig them out of a hole, and hoping they could get away with it for long enough.

    Transparency:eek: - don't make me laugh:rolleyes:

    Rival have long been known for their secrecy, in particular the oddities of supposedly independent operators having full access to player details from other, supposedly independent Rival casinos. This was explained away by a vague reference to a "central database" to control FRAUD, but also to set "player ratings". Even when the white label structure became more "out in the open", Rival again did their best to keep the secret which has NOW emerged, that most "operators" are nothing more than "super affiliates", who can easily ditch their casinos, with the REAL operator (Bonne Chance) able to take them over QUICKLY and SEAMLESSLY for players. It looks like they were ALREADY the operators, and the speed with which Rival have been able to achieve these "rescues" is because there was little more to do than move the "front" for the casino to a different web domain.

    When casinos move between REAL operators, the "front" ALSO moves with it, and this is TRULY "seamless". WHY THE HELL does Igaming.pro want to hang on to the original Tradition domain when they have SHUT THE CASINO!

    It looks like all these Rival closures and "rescues" by Rival have been VERY ACRIMONIOUS INDEED, with the former "super affiliates" doing their best to make life as hard as possible for Bonne Chance. IF these were "friendly" business arrangements, the original domains would be handed to Bonne Chance along with the casinos. THIS would be TRULY seamless.

    This looks like a domino effect, one Rival after another is tumbling, and being taken back by Bonne Chance.

    What if Bonne Chance themselves don't have the backing to pay players & affiliates, after all, they are "just the software supplier":rolleyes:
     
  32. May 25, 2010
  33. maphesto

    maphesto Dormant account

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    Haha, lots0 didn't understand when Pina and I discussed it because he wasn't here when the Tradition-girl made her stupid comment about BJ and skill.:D

    That's why he thought it was a language barrier between me and Pina..:)

    This means that it this time wasn't regarding same language barrier the Tradition girl sometimes blamed everything on.

    Yes!

    And together with their own reputation they dragged some more reputable Rivals in the mud.

    I doubt very much that Slot Power and Vanguard had thrown in the towel by now if the BJ scandal didn't take place at all.
     
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  34. May 25, 2010
  35. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    This surely demonstrates the power of fora such as this. This kind of thing can no longer be "swept under the carpet". If fora did not have such an influence, this would have been a minor hiccup, and NOT a big scandal that resulted in many affiliates pulling the banners, and players taking fright.

    Other operators thinking of trying a similar "shortcut to profit" should beware of what MIGHT happen if they are "caught with their fingers in the till".
     
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  36. May 25, 2010
  37. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming

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    I am backing out of this.

    I am NOT a fan of RIVAL or of Tradition.

    As a matter of fact I suggest people avoid all casinos run by RIVAL or AKA Bonne Chance like they would avoid the Black Death. (I am talking about white labels or whatever casinos call themselves that use RIVAL payment processing and/or customer service).
     
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  38. May 26, 2010
  39. felicie

    felicie Dormant account

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