Tower Gaming Doesnt Pay me for 3 months

multirake

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multirake VS Tower Gaming

Hi,

I had a deal with David Visser the director for Tower, for x8 unlimited bonus and 45% ngr or up to 65% gross deal. It seems that David is not the man of his words and refuses to pay affiliates. Attached above you will find the chat that we had over skype, i have also attached a chat i had with the manager from Ongame Network. According to David everything was fixed and the affiliate payment was processed, last week i discovered that they have yet to process my payment and i received an email from them soon after i contacted Ongame that my account has been blocked due to being a blacklisted affiliate in the network. Soon after this i contacted Carina Engstrom who is an account manager at Ongame and she said it was not true ( i have attached a print screen of our conversation. According to Tower Gaming this deal was never made and also my affiliate account was closed. I used to have a fullhouserakeback affiliate account which was closed before and David told me to create another account username- svet0321. I have attached both print screens above. I am not really sure what these guys are doing, but i know one thing, they keep on lying to cover up this dirty mess they have created. They continue to tell me that they will pay me, and when i request a date, they fail to reply. Please have a look at the print screens that i have sent you.

[9/23/2009 4:08:57 PM] David Visser: hey man - just making adjustments to your aff account
[9/23/2009 4:09:07 PM] David Visser: had to dio it manually lol
[9/23/2009 4:09:42 PM] Bruno: Hey
[9/23/2009 4:12:02 PM] Bruno: I sent you an email
[9/23/2009 4:12:09 PM] Bruno: where you able to check it
[9/23/2009 4:12:11 PM] Bruno: ?
[9/23/2009 4:45:37 PM] Bruno: Hey David
[9/23/2009 4:45:44 PM] Bruno: do you do gross deals?
[9/23/2009 4:45:53 PM] Bruno: i have a big affiliate which is leaving Heypoker
[9/23/2009 4:46:03 PM] Bruno: and he is looking for another Ongame skin
[9/23/2009 4:47:28 PM] David Visser: brb - but want to chat - just an on going meeting |-(
[9/23/2009 4:47:37 PM] Bruno: ok
[9/23/2009 4:47:42 PM] Bruno: i am going to eat dinner
[9/23/2009 4:47:45 PM] Bruno: be back as well
[9/23/2009 5:35:09 PM] Bruno: I am back
[9/23/2009 5:36:19 PM] David Visser: first I need you to sign up a new account - since ongame is still giving us grief
[9/23/2009 5:36:34 PM] Bruno: uhh
[9/23/2009 5:36:37 PM] David Visser: just don't use your name - in the username
[9/23/2009 5:36:43 PM] Bruno: are you serious
[9/23/2009 5:36:45 PM] Bruno: lol
[9/23/2009 5:36:59 PM] Bruno: are my players and $ going to be transfered
[9/23/2009 5:37:00 PM] David Visser: I will tranfer your players and set up the commission
[9/23/2009 5:37:08 PM] David Visser: today
[9/23/2009 5:37:13 PM] Bruno: ok
[9/23/2009 5:37:19 PM] Bruno: let me create it now
[9/23/2009 5:37:26 PM] Bruno: so i just use a fake name?
[9/23/2009 5:37:27 PM] David Visser: yes - they don't want you to even be an affiliate
[9/23/2009 5:38:04 PM] Bruno: Can i use my partners name instead
[9/23/2009 5:38:05 PM] David Visser: yes just don't use your name and put in your MB info
[9/23/2009 5:38:21 PM] Bruno: I still have to create mb account
[9/23/2009 5:38:28 PM] Bruno: can i add that later one
[9/23/2009 5:38:39 PM] David Visser: yep
[9/23/2009 5:46:59 PM] Bruno: Its giving me problems
[9/23/2009 5:47:02 PM] Bruno: on the nick
[9/23/2009 5:47:19 PM] Bruno: it says 3-12 numbers letters or characters
[9/23/2009 5:47:22 PM] Bruno: i change it
[9/23/2009 5:47:26 PM] Bruno: but it denies
[9/23/2009 5:47:59 PM] David Visser: a new account?
[9/23/2009 5:48:08 PM] Bruno: yeah
[9/23/2009 5:48:19 PM] Bruno: its not allowing me
[9/23/2009 5:48:49 PM] David Visser: what email? just use a diff email too
[9/23/2009 5:48:57 PM] Bruno: i did
[9/23/2009 5:49:46 PM] David Visser: 1 sec
[9/23/2009 5:50:43 PM] David Visser: brb
[9/23/2009 5:55:56 PM] Bruno: ok account is created
[9/23/2009 5:56:07 PM] Bruno: username= svet0321

[9/23/2009 6:25:35 PM] David Visser: ok - how did he come through that affiliate?
[9/23/2009 6:25:46 PM] David Visser: did he not clear cookies?
[9/23/2009 6:25:57 PM] Bruno: I am not sure
[9/23/2009 6:26:04 PM] Bruno: he has been playing for 1-2 months
[9/23/2009 6:26:12 PM] Bruno: and his bonus was finished
[9/23/2009 6:26:15 PM] Bruno: i contacted tom
[9/23/2009 6:26:20 PM] Bruno: he said to contact you
[9/23/2009 6:26:24 PM] Bruno: since you deal with bonuses
[9/23/2009 6:26:31 PM] Bruno: and he said the player is not tracked to me
[9/23/2009 6:27:19 PM] David Visser: ok switched - but if that affiliate says somthing I will switch him back - I always play fair - for all parties
[9/23/2009 6:28:58 PM] Bruno: so does that mean i have to create new trackers
[9/23/2009 6:28:59 PM] Bruno: ?
[9/23/2009 6:29:16 PM] Bruno: i have a big swedish player that is going to deposit this week
[9/23/2009 6:29:19 PM] Bruno: and play
[9/23/2009 6:29:27 PM] Bruno: along with his friends
[9/23/2009 6:29:40 PM] Bruno: the old tracker will not work right?
[9/23/2009 6:29:45 PM] David Visser: no I will send rake reports
[9/23/2009 6:29:49 PM] David Visser: yep
[9/23/2009 6:32:45 PM] David Visser: you will see all the players by tomorrow - when we regenerate - ok I think we have everything on track
[9/23/2009 6:33:02 PM] Bruno: Did you get my email
[9/23/2009 6:33:07 PM] David Visser: sorry it took so long - just needed to navigate the red tape
[9/23/2009 6:33:08 PM] Bruno: on the bonus?
[9/23/2009 6:33:33 PM] David Visser: yep - I will reply today
[9/23/2009 6:33:47 PM] Bruno: for the future
[9/23/2009 6:33:52 PM] Bruno: if you are busy
[9/23/2009 6:33:56 PM] David Visser: just need to refreash my brain
[9/23/2009 6:33:58 PM] Bruno: is tom able to add bonus
[9/23/2009 6:34:01 PM] Bruno: or only you?
[9/23/2009 6:34:02 PM] David Visser: no
[9/23/2009 6:34:11 PM] David Visser: yes
[9/23/2009 6:35:03 PM] Bruno: ok so you only
[9/23/2009 6:35:14 PM] Bruno: What about gross deal?
[9/23/2009 6:35:33 PM] Bruno: I have some big affiliates looking for gross deals
[9/23/2009 6:35:36 PM] David Visser: you mean flat account
[9/23/2009 6:35:52 PM] Bruno: yeah gross rev share
[9/23/2009 6:35:53 PM] Bruno: %
[9/23/2009 6:36:16 PM] Bruno: so they pay the bonus and races
[9/23/2009 6:39:28 PM] David Visser: do you have an idea of the amount of rev?
[9/23/2009 6:39:41 PM] Bruno: i have several
[9/23/2009 6:39:48 PM] Bruno: ranging from 30k per month
[9/23/2009 6:39:53 PM] Bruno: to 120k
[9/23/2009 6:40:22 PM] Bruno: 60-65%
[9/23/2009 6:41:03 PM] David Visser: wow - just this is a risky venture - I set them up on a 1 on 1 basis
[9/23/2009 6:41:25 PM] Bruno: risky if they dont rake much
[9/23/2009 6:41:28 PM] Bruno:
[9/23/2009 6:41:48 PM] Bruno: I mean if i get a big affiliate
[9/23/2009 6:41:49 PM] David Visser: yes that is correct
[9/23/2009 6:41:55 PM] Bruno: looking for gross deal
[9/23/2009 6:42:03 PM] Bruno: and lets say you can arrange this
[9/23/2009 6:42:08 PM] Bruno: based on performance
[9/23/2009 6:43:29 PM] David Visser: I will set them up under you - but they have to keep everything on the downlow

[9/29/2009 2:00:35 PM] David Visser: just the man I need to talk to
[9/29/2009 2:00:50 PM] Bruno: hey david
[9/29/2009 2:02:14 PM] David Visser: you wanted a full flat account right?
[9/29/2009 2:03:08 PM] Bruno: what do you mean?
[9/29/2009 2:03:15 PM] David Visser: the only reason I ask is your have 1400 in bonuses
[9/29/2009 2:03:34 PM] David Visser: you want a no bonus account
[9/29/2009 2:03:51 PM] Bruno: yeah but we agreed on x8 unlimited
[9/29/2009 2:03:57 PM] Bruno: the bonus are not being given to players
[9/29/2009 2:04:03 PM] David Visser: oh ok that is what I thought
[9/29/2009 2:04:38 PM] David Visser: so a reg account - fyi if you have heads up players let me know and I will set up a flat account to
[9/29/2009 2:04:57 PM] Bruno: ok
[9/29/2009 2:05:06 PM] Bruno: how are we going to deal with the following players
[9/29/2009 2:05:15 PM] Bruno: that havent received the bonus?
[9/29/2009 2:05:25 PM] David Visser: (y) - sorry for the delay again we are updating our affiliate back end and it will be very sharp
[9/29/2009 2:05:42 PM] Bruno: no problem adrian told me yesterday
[9/29/2009 2:05:49 PM] David Visser: they all have - but I have them set up on 8x
[9/29/2009 2:06:03 PM] Bruno: i was just looking for a print screen to calculate
[9/29/2009 2:06:06 PM] Bruno: the %
[9/29/2009 2:07:02 PM] David Visser: yea Adrian is sending it to you now
[9/29/2009 2:07:54 PM] Bruno: what do i tell my main player
[9/29/2009 2:08:02 PM] Bruno: that has been complaing about the bonus
[9/29/2009 2:08:07 PM] Bruno: will the amount be sent to his account
[9/29/2009 2:08:15 PM] Bruno: or i will have to credit him?
[9/29/2009 2:16:01 PM] David Visser: no I have that covered
[9/29/2009 2:16:23 PM] David Visser: the bonuses will be in his account

I guess Tower Gaming received direct 30k fine from Ongame so now they fail to pay affiliates.

Here is my conversation with Ongame Managerand let me know if you need to see the print screens which i have already sent to Ongame so you can see how Tower is lying.

[11/20/2009 1:55:39 PM] Carina Engstrm: they are saying that they will pay you here
[11/20/2009 1:56:05 PM] Bruno: I heard this story since sept
[11/20/2009 1:56:23 PM] Bruno: Now that i contact them via email
[11/20/2009 1:56:34 PM] Bruno: to get a date when the payment is going to be processed
[11/20/2009 1:56:38 PM] Bruno: i get no reply
[11/20/2009 1:58:52 PM] Carina Engstrm: im sorry to hear that. As you know we are sending warnings to partners when aff. are giving rakeback to their partners. If they have found out that this is the case it is probably why they do not wanna pay
[11/20/2009 1:59:40 PM] Carina Engstrm: as you understand we will not encourage partners to pay our RB money to your players
[11/20/2009 2:00:18 PM] Bruno: I am talking about the commission
[11/20/2009 2:00:24 PM] Bruno: which he promised me
[11/20/2009 2:00:25 PM] Carina Engstrm: i can see that they are just lying about a fee and that we are blacklisting, which is not the case at all
[11/20/2009 2:00:34 PM] Bruno: Yeah i know
[11/20/2009 2:00:39 PM] Bruno: how can i be blacklisted
[11/20/2009 2:00:46 PM] Bruno: when i wasnt even an affiliate
[11/20/2009 2:00:58 PM] Bruno: and now they made up some lie about rakeback
[11/20/2009 2:01:02 PM | Edited 2:01:11 PM] Carina Engstrm: we have not blacklisted anyone
[11/20/2009 2:01:10 PM] Bruno: yeah i know
[11/20/2009 2:01:24 PM] Carina Engstrm: this is totally on tower
[11/20/2009 2:01:35 PM] Bruno: This David Visser is a coward, thats his way to avoid confrontation
[11/20/2009 2:01:48 PM] Bruno: put the blame that i am blacklisted
[11/20/2009 2:01:56 PM] Carina Engstrm: that is a lie
[11/20/2009 2:02:15 PM] Bruno: Can you ask them when they will pay me
[11/20/2009 2:02:25 PM] Bruno: They are not replying to me
[11/20/2009 2:03:50 PM] Carina Engstrm: we will bring this up with them yes
[11/20/2009 2:06:12 PM] Bruno: thanks alot carina
[11/20/2009 2:06:34 PM] Bruno: I also sent you print screens how this guy is lying

So as a matter of fact I was never warned, the truth is that my account was closed and the same day i received the following email from them

Bruno

After going over your account we were hoping to pay out your commissions. But due to Ongame and Ongame policies, it has come to our attention that you are paying rakeback to your players. Ongame has informed us that you are a black listed affiliate on the Network. We would like to pay out the commissions on your account, but we do not have your account payment details.

Keep in mind this will be the last time Toweraffiliates will pay your account. Please do not promote Towergaming at anytime.

Tower Affiliate Team


SO YOU TELL ME HOW IS THE SITUATION RESOLVED WHEN YOU SEND A email saying you will pay the affiliate and you never do??????????

After all of this, these people have the courage to write you the following email, when their director of affiliates proposed you the deal. This all occured, because the bonus that he offered was never added to the player, so after the months the player started to contact me about his bonus and payments and according to Mr David Visser everything was taking care of . THESE PEOPLE ARE A BUNCH OF SCAMMERS. i will post the email that he sent me.


Bruno

After going over your account we were hoping to pay out your commissions. But due to Ongame and Ongame policies, it has come to our attention that you are paying rakeback to your players. Ongame has informed us that you are a black listed affiliate on the Network. We would like to pay out the commissions on your account, but we do not have your account payment details.

Keep in mind this will be the last time Toweraffiliates will pay your account. Please do not promote Towergaming at anytime.

Tower Affiliate Team
 
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vinylweatherman

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Some dirty dealings, but on BOTH sides;)

This is the problem with "under the counter" deals, it is easy for the party holding all the Aces (no pun intended:D) to later renege on the agreement once they have obtained what they wanted from it, and leave the other party aggrieved, and seemingly with no way to dispute the claim.

This David Visser was operating "off the record", seemingly in an attempt to offer deals he was not authorised to offer. When it turned sour on him, he had to cover his own a$$, and the lack of "paperwork" made it easy for him to pretend such deals were never made. For continuing to press the case, he starts inventing excuses, and ends up intending not to pay, but making it out to be the affiliate's fault. The affiliate has probably broken the network terms, with the initial agreement of David Visser, but is in a tricky position when it comes to pursuing the complaint through the network, since the claim is for the proceeds due on an "illegal" deal.

It's not too dissimilar to those "too good to be true" bonus offers made to players, who later find they don't get paid because there is one excuse after another as to why the deal didn't exist, or had different terms applying to it than were published at the time (and later conveniently removed from the website).
 

multirake

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Offcourse he had to cover his own A$$$$$$, its a 30k fine from the network, but what i want everyone to know is that this guy David Visser is the director of Tower Gaming. The reason this occured was because the bonus was never added to my players account and when you delay the payments for over 3 months, you players start to question your motives. So he contacted them, and they said the deal was never made, although we can all see what this trusty affiliate director David Visser offered.

At one point these people need to be held accountable. I know the network rules, but i know alot of affiliates having rb deals in the network and if they file for approval they can get a grant for different sites.


To me this is a total scam and at the end of the day you cant just promise a deal, not do your job and to save your backend make complete lies.


This company is a joke people, stay far away from them, I feel really bad for my player who raked over 15k.
 

dominique

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Ah for crying out loud, now you have moved this vendetta over here!

The fact is that you promoted rakeback for them when this is not allowed and got caught, thus making everything null and void.
 

multirake

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Thank you for the support Dominique, i guess since you are on their paybook its more likely for you to block threads on your side, i just want people to see the shady side.

PS. i did not get caught promoting rakeback, if i did where is the proof i have posted and also sent the information. What proof have they shown, nothing because i guess the monthly fee you get paid is good enough to erase and take their word 100%

Dominique,


You closed my post at your site, since you guys promote them. If you dont like my post, dont login and dont comment.

Vendetta? They had me open 2 accounts and they offered me the deal, if someone didnt pay you, i am sure you would be in the forum.

2) they said they were going to pay me after they closed my account, which they havent.

I am not on a vendetta, its a mission now.
 
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dominique

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It has absolutely nothing to do with promoting them - and yes, I do list them on my site.

It has to do with you putting other affiliates at a disadvantage by offering rakeback when it is not allowed. That puts honest people at a disadvantage. I do not approve of that. It's shady, and I am not a friend of shady dealings in this industry.

And while you are on a posting frenzy, can you explain your involvement with Stryyke please?
 

vinylweatherman

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Its my MISSION now to expose them, i already contacted their Network, so i am sure they got a 30k fine since David Visser the Director of Affiliates, offered an illegal deal.
Now i just want to warn the others of how they deal. If you dont like the blog, no need to comment, let the others see for themselves


One which YOU were happy to accept by your own admission in those chat logs you posted. In particular, where you arranged for David to STEAL a player from their original affiliate, and allocate him to your account, but that he would have to "play fair", and hand him back were this other affiliate to notice.
You must already have known that David was "shady", and it was unwise to assume he would screw over this other affiliate, yet NOT screw YOU over.

Exposure is probably your only way to fight this battle, hoping that David will settle with you rather than risk fighting on, and exposing even MORE of his shady dealings. You are unlikely to be the ONLY one he has offered such deals to, you have just fallen out of favour. Maybe YOU are being screwed over because David is doing an even dirtier deal with someone else, just like this other affiliate was going to get screwed over by his player being moved over to your account.

You have got each other by the b***s, so it's down to a squeezing contest:D
 

multirake

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Tower Gaming is listed in several rakeback sites!!!!!!!!!!!!

So i guess all the affiliates which promote them via rb site are at disadvantage.

Once again you are promoting them and without any proof from the site, you decide the case is closed. I have sent you several attachements so you can see for yourself that the case is not closed.


I used to be affiliate and poker manager, so when it comes to deals, i do believe you should be a man of your word. I never posted any rakeback deals or got caught in the process, i got tired of hearing your payment has been processed and your players bonus was placed, when its all a lie and i contacted their network, with all the print screens i have.
 

rikkerbuddy

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Hmmmmm

I have personally met David at affiliate conferences and I have always had great dealings with him even tho I am more focused on casino now then poker. I know he has been with tower along time and I only hear great things about the program. I don't know but what you are posting does not sit right with what I know.

Did you work for Stryyke? and if you did can you tell me how to get my $700 back :confused:
 
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multirake

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Your site promotes them as well, I am sure you will be able to help him. I havent worked for them since June, hence the word " used to work"

It has to do with your overall ethics.

So why do you promote them? I guess its the monthly paychecks, so if everything is about $, where does the ethics come from?
 
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rikkerbuddy

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can you please pm

Your site promotes them as well, I am sure you will be able to help him. I havent worked for them since June, hence the word " used to work"

Please PM me I know a lot of players and affiliate that lost a ton of money b/c of Stryyke. I would like to get all the info you can give me so I can forward it to affiliates. I know I lost $700 in affiliate payments due to Bruno Parsons. So if you can give me his info or any owners I am sure a lot of people would appreciate it.:notworthy
 

dominique

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So why do you promote them? I guess its the monthly paychecks, so if everything is about $, where does the ethics come from?

Promote who? I don't promote Stryyke, and Tower does well by players so they get a listing. Unfortunately since they are non-US there are no paychecks there either.

But I don't see what my site has to do with your being the pot calling the kettle black...
 

multirake

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I know I lost $700 in affiliate payments due to Bruno Parsons. :notworthy

How is your affiliate payment my fault? I wasnt paid for 3 months as well, and i decided to quit my position.

I guess this must be somone from Tower Gaming. lol

Location= CANADA Offcourse you know David and he is a wonderful guy, either you are David or you work with him.

Promote who? I don't promote Stryyke, and Tower does well by players so they get a listing. Unfortunately since they are non-US there are no paychecks there either.

But I don't see what my site has to do with your being the pot calling the kettle black...


Stryyke is promoted under listed programs under your page!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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multirake

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I refer to you speaking of ethics. You promote the site and even though they dont pay people, i cant remember anybody asking for solutions, the only email i received was " there is a delay in payments, when is payments going to be process" from your company side. So if you want to discuss that, i guess we can go into details.

So i dont really see how you would try to help affiliates or players.

This posting is about me not being paid from TOWER GAMING, like i said you are bias " since part of your paycheck every month comes from TOWER GAMING"

So i can see why you would close threads on your site, so now i am on another site, which i dealt with them before and they actually contact the site to make enquires regarding payments.

I said you site promotes the Casino,

From all i know you are a moderator at the site. But once again, this has nothing to do with you

THIS IS ABOUT ME NOT GETTING PAID FROM TOWER GAMING
 
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dominique

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I don't think I have ever seen a check from Tower, and that isn't why they are listed. Like I said, they are listed because they do well by players by all accounts.
 

rikkerbuddy

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wow

I don't work for tower or know were he works out of. I am sure there are many Canadians on this forum.
I did receive your PM thank you - but you did not give me your info? I know some Russian and Latvian affiliates who are my friends. And if you are bruno parsons you for months told me i would get my money that you had no money issues - you told me to keep promoting stryyke to my players when you kne they were going down the drain. all people have to do is plug in 2+2 your name and stryyke.
I really don't know what your deal is but if you promote RB on ongame you get closed down.
 

dominique

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I said you site promotes the Casino,

From all i know you are a moderator at the site. But once again, this has nothing to do with you

THIS IS ABOUT ME NOT GETTING PAID FROM TOWER GAMING

Well, thank you, I am glad you see it has nothing to do with me.

The site - you mean CAP and not my site? Why didn't you just say so? We went around in circles here.

CAP is not my site, I am a volunteer moderator there.

GamesandCasino is my site and it does not carry Stryyke, and I am glad you see it's irrelevant anyways.
 

multirake

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Great so now you guys do free media deals

I don't think I have ever seen a check from Tower, and that isn't why they are listed. Like I said, they are listed because they do well by players by all accounts.

thats interesting free media deals
 

dominique

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I don't have a media deal with Tower. Or many of the places I list either.

If they pass inspection, they get listed. If they don't, they don't.

But I thought this had nothing to do with me?

I am going to call it a day, I have spoken my mind about this.

That Bruno Parsons from Stryyke would come crying foul for not being paid for stealing players from other affiliates and for promoting rakeback on a non-rakeback platform - there is enough irony in that to keep me for months.

That you expect support from other affiliates is even more amazing.

What do you think we are, complete fools?

And accusing Rikkerbuddy of working for Tower because he lives in Canada is pathetic.
 

multirake

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They should get you for jacking threads lol. First you speak of ethics and you close my thread at CAP, ok i get it, They are promoted on the site and you want to keep everything hush hush.

Once again this is not about you or even me for that matter. I know i wont get the money to pay the player. At the end of the day, these poker companies make a killing, i know because i worked for them. So the affiliate promises the player a deal, some people play for fun and others play regular and this is a career. There has been too much of these scams happening. I had one player that raked over 15k.

So if you think its ok to do this , i guess you must be a tool, well atleast a well paid tool by Tower.

Plus i never seen an affiliate manager lie directly to their affiliates.

I received over 3 emails of him telling me that the payment was processed.

This is ridiculous
 
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