Too many casino games?

steveh35

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VS states they have 3397 casino games available to play, how on earth can having all these games be profitable to the actual casino and the provider?

Is there going to be a time very very soon when the bubble will burst surely a lot of these games must just be sat there with no one playing them and making no money for anyone but the casino is paying to rent them and the provider cannot be making much money out of them.

Surely a smaller selection would be better for both parties?
 

KasinoKing

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As I understand it (I may be wrong), the operator only pays the provider a % of the money put through the game (or maybe only a % of the casino's profit from it?).
i.e. If no-one plays some games, it doesn't cost the casino anything.

But yeah - FAR too many games... And far too many CRAP games, while at the same time many of my old favourites have been withdrawn :mad:

KK
 

BosjeR

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It is a problem. There are too many suppliers today, the operators expect too many games at too low margins, and a lot of them don't make use of the quantity in a good way. They just let players drown in titles available without guidance, and keep on using old titles for their promotions.

For players that are more experienced quantity is not really a problem, however with so many mouths to feed, and reductions in margins due to taxes, both suppliers and operators are actively reducing their RTPs.

Operators because of taxes reducing their margins (although I think it's going to bite them in the butt long term, but that's another discussion).
Suppliers because new games only 'survive' like a month at most being visible, so they want to maximize the profits for the limited time the title is relevant.

For the player I do think it's still better than before, more choice, but one needs to do a bit more effort to check the RTP to make sure you get the best value for money.
 

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It's an interesting topic and we have some differing opinions on the best practice.

On the 32Red side, we've only ever had Microgaming so we would obviously launch all games. Now we've added Netent, Sci Games and IGT we've got more choice - however we're only getting selected games from the new providers so as it stands we've been launching everything that's available to us - Unibet however has many more integrations so we can be more selective on which games go live. Often new games will be rejected to prioritise another more quality release.

It's a balancing act - if you've got too many of the lesser performing games you've got the risk of a player not selecting a top title and getting a poor impression of the brand. Don't launch them and you've potentially lost a player who likes to play Blockbuster A but also plays Little Known B.

My personal opinion would be similar to that of VideoSlots. Launch everything but carefully control the game positioning to make sure the better performers are prominent, but keep the other titles behind the search bar. Everyone's a winner!

On a side note, I think you'll see many of the VS titles disappearing towards the end of the year. Game providers are having to convert their games to HTML5 ahead of Flash being decommissioned. Many are doing this on their top x performing titles only, meaning the smaller games won't work in future.

Mark
 

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Besides the slots collection - These days, they struggle to pay...
I for one can't wait for more casinos to close down. There's too many of them out there and not enough players. The less casinos, the more players hit the <snip> in them, the better the payouts are.
 
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Scott1baird

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Marks has hit the nail on the head, yeah we all like a new release but usualy after the novelty has worn off we go back to the slots we actualy like playing for entertainment. Or sometimes with sites like VS you go trophy hunting which can be fun.
 

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Another problem is most of us have a limited budget so it’s a bit like going for an “Indian”. You tend to stick with what you know in case you get burnt. Therefore you never get to try 95% of the games.
 

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Besides the slots collection - These days, they struggle to pay...
I for one can't wait for more casinos to close down. There's too many of them out there and not enough players. The less casinos, the more players hit the <snip> in them, the better the payouts are.
Not cool to sneak in a link for Ask Gam. - please don't do this again. Thank you.
 

steveh35

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It's an interesting topic and we have some differing opinions on the best practice.

On the 32Red side, we've only ever had Microgaming so we would obviously launch all games. Now we've added Netent, Sci Games and IGT we've got more choice - however we're only getting selected games from the new providers so as it stands we've been launching everything that's available to us - Unibet however has many more integrations so we can be more selective on which games go live. Often new games will be rejected to prioritise another more quality release.

It's a balancing act - if you've got too many of the lesser performing games you've got the risk of a player not selecting a top title and getting a poor impression of the brand. Don't launch them and you've potentially lost a player who likes to play Blockbuster A but also plays Little Known B.

My personal opinion would be similar to that of VideoSlots. Launch everything but carefully control the game positioning to make sure the better performers are prominent, but keep the other titles behind the search bar. Everyone's a winner!

On a side note, I think you'll see many of the VS titles disappearing towards the end of the year. Game providers are having to convert their games to HTML5 ahead of Flash being decommissioned. Many are doing this on their top x performing titles only, meaning the smaller games won't work in future.

Mark
Im not sure vs carefully position the games the home page and vs have confirmed this has the most played games in order which is why book of awful and bonanza are always near the top of page. Surely that is not positioning just what people play. Vs layout only really allows for page 1 to be used the other pages too much trouble to go looking for page 9 or 17
 

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Been beating this drum for months. Of course casinos will say it's a good thing, but as a player I'll see it as cheapening the brand when there's thousands of games.

Flooding the site(s) with substandard shite that no one's going to play is counter-productive, and it's not like anyone can even sample all these games even if dedicating 24 hours a day to them. Then there's the question of how half of these games even pass quality control in the first place.....

Players generally liked dedicated software at a site, so 'back in the day' I'd maybe go e.g Redbet for Netent, 32Red for MG etc

Multi-platform swamps are BAD :D Less is more folks
 

Harry_BKK

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VS states they have 3397 casino games available to play, how on earth can having all these games be profitable to the actual casino and the provider?

Is there going to be a time very very soon when the bubble will burst surely a lot of these games must just be sat there with no one playing them and making no money for anyone but the casino is paying to rent them and the provider cannot be making much money out of them.

Surely a smaller selection would be better for both parties?

Some time ago, the number of games went down from about 3450 to around 3100. So VS did some dusting up. The numbers are now back up again as they add some 20 games every week.

Question is always what is enough or too much? Some like more, some like less. However, the integration of new games is so easy today that a casino which has been known to have the most games for some years now will not turn around its strategy.

Play'n GO went from 1 release per month to 3 releases per month, NetEnt from 1 to 2 - 3 / month, even Thunderkick and Quickspin are doing now one per month where you usually had 5 - 6 / year. Others do even more.

There are currently over 200 game providers, VS has about 120 listed. So there is still more to come.

A casino will always do a "spring cleaning" once or twice per year to throw out slots which are never played. But the amount being released every week keeps going up too, so tough to actually reduce the total amount.

And as Mark mentioned, the end of the Flash era will see a good number being wiped out.
 

Fiekie247

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Although Videoslots released a few slots per week, they at times were running late with certain slot releases from Netent and Play 'N Go. The slot at times were going up a few days later than the official release date.

Slotsmillion was my alternative in terms of Game Collection and Non-Sticky Bonuses, since that Videoslots debacle where some of our accounts had been deactivated. I see Slotsmillion also has just over 3000 slots now and its growing too. The nice thing about Slotsmillion is that 99% of their slots offerings do not have restrictions, unlilke Videoslots blocked me on providers like NextGen, Red Tiger, PlayTech etc, even though I can play those providers on other sites.

Slotsmillion's traffic will increase if they can be more consistent with their withdrawals. I once got a withdrawal within 2 hours and suddenly the next one 48 hours and had to complete verification again... and i hate waiting.

So I decided to play a bit more permanently now at Redbet and Casumo.

But I also feel lesser providers, better payouts at certain casinos.
 

johnnybagel

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I don't really see why having loads of games is an issue because from the casinos POV they want to please as many people as possible, and as long as the game you like is there whats the problem?

I think its the way the games are filtered thats annoying. Some sites just have a few things like jackpots, hot slots, or whatever and then just a massive list of all the slots in no order. I like it when you can arrange them by the provider or the theme or the features (Megaways for example. Dont kill me for liking Megaways hahaa). The more filtering options the better.

Then people who like a less is more approach can just set it how they like it and play with a smaller selection of games.
 

Jasminebed

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@Mark_32Red , I've mentioned it before in PM, but I hate lack of sorting options on the web client. I can't even choose provider.

I love the Viper client, I will be sorry when it goes.
 
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