to Play or not to play that is the question

dreamguardian1

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So when you start playing your slot machines and you see that the spins are crap do you keep playing that same slot in the hopes that they turn around or do you try a different one.

If after about 10-20 spins i see nothing happening i get out of dodge, tart of the year i was stupid and kept playing but now have gone back to my tried and true method, once i hit over my deposit i cash out.
 

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The method I use is this: I go to the first slot in the casino, and spin. If, on that very first slot, I get a win of at least 50% of my bet, then that counts as a "win" and I tally that as a spin in my favor, and I spin again. If the next spin wins nothing, then I am back to "even" and then I give it a final spin - if, again, that spin is 50% of my bet, then it's a "win" and on we go like that until I get two losing bets where I am -1. Sometimes I just get spin after spin of "winning" spins and keep on going and going. Most times, most slots are "losing" from spin one, and that slot gets a single spin from me in a session.

Purely a method I devised from nothing, no science or statistics behind it really. Does it work? Well, when I am on a streak, it seems to. 2013, however, has not been kind to me. :(

Maybe I need a new method. :D
 

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I usually try to avoid hopping between slots too much since features can sometimes take hundreds of spins before you actually hit them. I do try a different slot if I get absolutely nothing but I try to give each slot I play at least 60-80 spins before moving on. 10-20 spins is not enough to tell you anything in my opinion.
 

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I usually do at least 50 spins per game, sometimes up to 100...Of course then you have that 100 spins in and think, ' I can't stop now, it should hit any time', then you have put in 200 spins and a boat load of money and nada, nothing, zip.. Oh well, the fun of gambling.
 

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Because the bonus features on the majority (not all) slots occur once in every 130 - 160 spins, I always expect to play at least 200 spins when I start any game.
Obviously if it comes before that and I think I've used up all my luck, or if I'm losing badly, I'll move on...

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I'm a major hopper, I constantly move from machine to machine. This increases the entertainment factor because you get to play more games. As for winning, I figure you're playing more machines thus increasing the possibility of winning. Australian slot machines are compensated much in the same manner Microgaming slots seem to be.

I've personally found this method works for me. It's when I stay on a machine for longer that I end up getting burned.

Online is generally a different story.
 

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I give a slot 5 spins. If nothing happens I back out and go back in again. Usually within a couple times I'll hit the feature on the first 2 spins. I know that's probably crazy, maybe in my mind I think it "resets". I know that's probably ridiculous but the method works great for me!
 

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I give a slot 5 spins. If nothing happens I back out and go back in again. Usually within a couple times I'll hit the feature on the first 2 spins. I know that's probably crazy, maybe in my mind I think it "resets". I know that's probably ridiculous but the method works great for me!

By back out, you mean reloading the same game again? I wouldn`t have the patience to do it every 5 spins,
but if it works for you :thumbsup:

Personally, I know that what I am doing is stupid, and I shouldn`t be doing it, but once I start a game,
I never leave before hitting feature. Too bad when I play DOA or BDBA often :rolleyes:
 

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By back out, you mean reloading the same game again? I wouldn`t have the patience to do it every 5 spins,
but if it works for you :thumbsup:

Personally, I know that what I am doing is stupid, and I shouldn`t be doing it, but once I start a game,
I never leave before hitting feature. Too bad when I play DOA or BDBA often :rolleyes:

I know but too many times I load a game and hit a feature on the very first spin. So I figure, if I haven't hit it in 5, reload and try again! It's mind over computer, it does work! LOL!
 

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I deposit - Hit Autoplay and IF I win 100x or more I move to the next slot. The exception to the rule is usually Dead or Alive / break Da Bank Again... I wait for a bigger hit of 200x plus or bust out.

I only play DOA / BDBA / IR - Like someone mentioned, once you get a taste of the big hits, its difficult to play other slots waiting for a measly 100x bet.

Sometimes I hit something after the 100x... sometimes not :)

I also Casino hop lots... I know most games play off the same server but some casinos are just colder than others at times.

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Ah yes Dead or Alive, since hitting the bloody 5 wilds on my very last free spin 2 weeks ago, I have been playing this slot religiously looking for those 5 wilds earlier in the free spins, but alas, they all seem to have vanished completely during the fs:(

I normally play up to 10 spins on a slot (in the past I would have stuck to the same slot til I hit something decent, damn you DOA, I've started doing this again on DOA:rolleyes:), if I will hit a win of say 10x my bet I will keep playing, if not I move on to the next slot.

But by God I'm determined that Dead or Alive WILL come to life for me.

So far I'm ahead this year by £324, but I deposit small, between £10 and £40 and low roll.
 
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Ah yes Dead or Alive, since hitting the bloody 5 wilds on my very last free spin 2 weeks ago, I have been playing this slot religiously looking for those 5 wilds earlier in the free spins, but alas, they all seem to have vanished completely during the fs:(

I normally play up to 10 spins on a slot (in the past I would have stuck to the same slot til I hit something decent, damn you DOA, I've started doing this again on DOA:rolleyes:), if I will hit a win of say 10x my bet I will keep playing, if not I move on to the next slot.

But by God I'm determined that Dead or Alive WILL come to life for me.

So far I'm ahead this year by £324, but I deposit small, between £10 and £40 and low roll.

I hear ya. I've hit the 5 wilds once in the last few months that I've been playing Netent on Dead or Alive and yup - totally hooked:( Still waiting for it to come to life for me again too hehe:D
 

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I usually try to avoid hopping between slots too much since features can sometimes take hundreds of spins before you actually hit them. I do try a different slot if I get absolutely nothing but I try to give each slot I play at least 60-80 spins before moving on. 10-20 spins is not enough to tell you anything in my opinion.

I've always been curious about this. If you spun say 80 spins then move onto another game then come back to that first game you were playing. Would your count start all over again or start from previous 80 spins? Does that make sense? :what:

I mean I figure, right I've already done a 100 or whatnot on this game about an hour ago I'll go back to it, it should be ready to give me the spins/bonus feature or whatever soon or is previous play been cancelled?

Always been curious about that :)
 

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I've always been curious about this. If you spun say 80 spins then move onto another game then come back to that first game you were playing. Would your count start all over again or start from previous 80 spins? Does that make sense? :what:

I mean I figure, right I've already done a 100 or whatnot on this game about an hour ago I'll go back to it, it should be ready to give me the spins/bonus feature or whatever soon or is previous play been cancelled?

Always been curious about that :)

If the games are fair, then there isn't a separate meter counting your spins until it decides to give you a bonus round. If that's what you meant.

The server looks at each game simply as another occurrence - whether it's YOU who commanded a game, or someone else - it doesn't matter; i.e., the number of losing spins you've given it should have NO effect on subsequent spins.
 

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chalk it up to ADD but I bore easily, so I basically play about 25 spins, hop to the next game and so on, unless it happens to be one entertaining me or it's new and I want to see how it plays/pays out. It isn't so much a method, rather, I just flip though games as I would through channels between shows.
 

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I usually spin 10 to 20 times depending if I hit or not... no hit move on to next slot..I usually hit bonus in first couple spins and if it doesn't my money seems to get eaten up if I don't move on
 

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OK here is my dumb question for the night..and its a good one.

Lets take 3 dice just because its a smaller casino: no offense Enzo.

OK I have been reading how if a machine isn't hitting people will x out of said slot and then reenter.

So my question is : are we all assigned certain slots? for example tuts

Is there a tut A tut B tut c and so on and if I log in and tut a and tut B are being used I get tut C ? or Is it I have tut A every time I log in and that's my machine so if I spin 150 spins and lose, log out go to cashier deposit again and come back it will be same machine and I start spinning from tut A again?
 

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Ah yes Dead or Alive, since hitting the bloody 5 wilds on my very last free spin 2 weeks ago, I have been playing this slot religiously looking for those 5 wilds earlier in the free spins, but alas, they all seem to have vanished completely during the fs:(

I normally play up to 10 spins on a slot (in the past I would have stuck to the same slot til I hit something decent, damn you DOA, I've started doing this again on DOA:rolleyes:), if I will hit a win of say 10x my bet I will keep playing, if not I move on to the next slot.

But by God I'm determined that Dead or Alive WILL come to life for me.

So far I'm ahead this year by £324, but I deposit small, between £10 and £40 and low roll.

I play DOA almost exclusively on NetEnt these days. I sometimes try 5 different places in a day. When its cold at a Casino - Its cold. This Slot doesn't run cold for hours... it can last for days.

Mix it up a bit. I find that IF i hang around too long waiting for a 'recovery' of sorts... I end up losing more... I don't really chase losses on DOA, I flat bet and on occasion raise my bet IF the base game gives a few wins.

Also, its not fact and your chances are as good as anywhere getting 5 wilds.. BUT Casinos that have more traffic have been better on results especially with DOA for me. I can safely assume this from thousands of spins at each place for long periods of time ... Again, not gospel .. just my experience.

Nate
 

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OK here is my dumb question for the night..and its a good one.

Lets take 3 dice just because its a smaller casino: no offense Enzo.

OK I have been reading how if a machine isn't hitting people will x out of said slot and then reenter.

So my question is : are we all assigned certain slots? for example tuts

Is there a tut A tut B tut c and so on and if I log in and tut a and tut B are being used I get tut C ? or Is it I have tut A every time I log in and that's my machine so if I spin 150 spins and lose, log out go to cashier deposit again and come back it will be same machine and I start spinning from tut A again?
If their slots are truly random (which I believe they are), then there is no slot A, B, C, etc..
Each spin is a totally independent event created on one central server.


If the games are fair, then there isn't a separate meter counting your spins until it decides to give you a bonus round. If that's what you meant.

The server looks at each game simply as another occurrence - whether it's YOU who commanded a game, or someone else - it doesn't matter; i.e., the number of losing spins you've given it should have NO effect on subsequent spins.
Funny how it does FEEL that way though sometimes...
For example, I was playing Jason and the Golden Fleece (MG) at a casino the last few days and went about 500 - 600 spins without hitting the feature. Then when I finally got it, it came again just a handful of spins later and then 3 more times in the next 100-ish spins. It was almost like the game was making up for my barren spell...! :eek2:

KK
 

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If their slots are truly random (which I believe they are), then there is no slot A, B, C, etc..
Each spin is a totally independent event created on one central server.



Funny how it does FEEL that way though sometimes...
For example, I was playing Jason and the Golden Fleece (MG) at a casino the last few days and went about 500 - 600 spins without hitting the feature. Then when I finally got it, it came again just a handful of spins later and then 3 more times in the next 100-ish spins. It was almost like the game was making up for my barren spell...! :eek2:

KK

this is the main problem with mg casinos , this is ware a beg to differ from other forum members , i still think that MG somehow works around to what youve put into it , i dont think its 100% random at all , as people have already noticed funny how you can be flat betting for a long period drop your bet then bang big hit ) seems to set up for me , im not stating you cannot win at MG casinos , but i cannot quite put my finger on it , ( if you get my meaning )
 

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I've wondered the same thing.

OK here is my dumb question for the night..and its a good one.

Lets take 3 dice just because its a smaller casino: no offense Enzo.

OK I have been reading how if a machine isn't hitting people will x out of said slot and then reenter.

So my question is : are we all assigned certain slots? for example tuts

Is there a tut A tut B tut c and so on and if I log in and tut a and tut B are being used I get tut C ? or Is it I have tut A every time I log in and that's my machine so if I spin 150 spins and lose, log out go to cashier deposit again and come back it will be same machine and I start spinning from tut A again?

Not a dumb question at all. I've always wondered the exact same thing.

Like others have said to answer the original post, if the games are totally random from spin to spin, it shouldn't matter how many spins it's been since the last bonus was hit, etc.

It's very obvious that the bonus results, at least on certain games are not random at all. For example, squirrel spike at 3 dice. When you hit the bonus, it goes through a range of what the squirrels are worth in that bonus round. Betting say, .36, hit the bonus and the squirrels are each worth between $1.00 and $150 and that's really good, the next time you hit the bonus it will be less, then again, less, then again, less, and it ends up over about 5 bonus rounds at the lowest where the squirrels are worth about .12 each, then it starts over. Not necessarily from high to low, it just goes in a circle and it seems to continue that pattern from your last bonus even if it was days before. I have observed this exact sequence over literally hundreds of bonus rounds. Sometimes there's slight variations but it consistently follows that pattern. So my question is, if that is not random and no one can convince me it is, then every spin on any game could also not be random. Not saying it isn't random, just saying I'm not convinced it is.

This is unrelated, but why are the combinations worth much less in the bonus mode of payola than they are out of bonus mode? It seems as if, even multiplied x 2 in bonus comes out less than the same sequence hit in regular mode. It's kind of irritating, like a lot of things at 3dice for me at the moment, but that's a whole other thread that for now I'll just keep to myself.
 

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OK i understand what you are saying, however I think you may be confusing Random with Variance. Yes slots can still be random but you have to work the variance in with that. So using tuts again as the example. It is high variance so this is telling you that there is an expectation of a big win- higher variance higher bet size for better pays, because it does not hit bonus round as much. Now using that same thought it also tells you that your expectation of hitting the bonus is with in 150 - 200 spins. This helps you gauge the bankroll you would need to play the game. The random means at any time the bonus and or winning combination can hit. So be on spin 1 or spin 200 it is still random. I hope I'm making sense of it.

OK guys help me out and correct if wrong but this is the basic way I understood it.
 

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From what I understand, variance is a word coined to refer to the WAY in which the results of a particular game will vary - sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. But:

In a "high variance" game, you will typically get lots and lots of losing games, and then less commonly, some okay games, and infrequently, some really good wins, and the RAREST games render the HIGHEST returns, which are often VERY high - like these DoA 3500x bet, 4000x bet, 4927x bet, whatever it is.

In a "low variance" game, you get a fair amount of winning games, though the wins aren't so high, and the highest wins are maybe 200x your bet or lower.

But if we assume that both high and low variance games have a return to player of, say, 96%, then both games will - in theory - be equally profitable for the casino, as well as the player. But rare winners on high variance games will get huge wins, and winners on low variance games will get modest wins.

It sounds complicated, but as they say about even sending men to the moon, it's a complex concept built of lots of simple concepts.

Randomness is an even more complicated concept that I'm not sure I can explain well, and not even sure I understand it fully. From what I've read, it sort of means that for any game that you play, any other player could have gotten those exact same results if instead of yourself, THEY had ordered that game at the exact same millisecond you did. In other words, randomness does not discriminate on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, or the fact that you won a jackpot just last night - it doesn't discriminate, period.

I think I'll let others chime in, if they wish, but I hope this helped clear up some confusion, instead of creating more, lol. :D
 

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I am actually surprised to see how long it takes for some players to hit a bonus spin, i guess it depends on the variable of the game cause i usually hit (depending on the casino) every 10-20 spins. Guess its just luck, of course then there are the games that absolutely never hit for me (bovada)(cough)
 

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Not a dumb question at all. I've always wondered the exact same thing.

Like others have said to answer the original post, if the games are totally random from spin to spin, it shouldn't matter how many spins it's been since the last bonus was hit, etc.

It's very obvious that the bonus results, at least on certain games are not random at all. For example, squirrel spike at 3 dice. When you hit the bonus, it goes through a range of what the squirrels are worth in that bonus round. Betting say, .36, hit the bonus and the squirrels are each worth between $1.00 and $150 and that's really good, the next time you hit the bonus it will be less, then again, less, then again, less, and it ends up over about 5 bonus rounds at the lowest where the squirrels are worth about .12 each, then it starts over. Not necessarily from high to low, it just goes in a circle and it seems to continue that pattern from your last bonus even if it was days before. I have observed this exact sequence over literally hundreds of bonus rounds. Sometimes there's slight variations but it consistently follows that pattern. So my question is, if that is not random and no one can convince me it is, then every spin on any game could also not be random. Not saying it isn't random, just saying I'm not convinced it is.

This is unrelated, but why are the combinations worth much less in the bonus mode of payola than they are out of bonus mode? It seems as if, even multiplied x 2 in bonus comes out less than the same sequence hit in regular mode. It's kind of irritating, like a lot of things at 3dice for me at the moment, but that's a whole other thread that for now I'll just keep to myself.

Despite what some posters say, IMO the only dumb question is one that goes unasked!!!
 
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