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Thunderstruck 2 - What do we think?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Rusty, May 26, 2010.

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    May 26, 2010
  1. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    I want to know what you think of this slot if you have played it regularly and how it has played for you.
    I think it is very broken. :p
    I will give my experience first and we can compare.

    When I first reviewed this slot I thought it was of MG's better recent efforts as it at least had some innovations. Having played a few thousand spins I am now of a different opinion.

    Firstly it is common for me to get below 70% RTP and when you consider this includes hitting the Free spins at regular intervals and it is low variance that is quite is disturbing.

    The low variance means that for example 5 Aces pays a win of only X4 bet+bet returned.
    5 of a kind of the highest paying symbol only wins x16 bet :eek:
    and even 5 wilds only pays a little over 30xbet :eek::eek:
    Now with such absurdly low payouts you should be hitting wins fairly frequently but...
    No you go on streaks where you hit nothing at all as if the slot was very high variance.
    So how the hell do you win on this slot?

    Maybe it is the random lightning storm bonus round?
    How often does this turn up? I have gone over a thousand spins without seeing it and the last time I did it paid a fat zero - oh and the time before, oh and the time before that - even if you get lucky you will do well to hit x30 bet win. So % RTP into this bonus round must be negligible - 1% or 2%?

    How about the Free spin rounds?
    The best I have hit so far in around 50 attempts is around x70 bet and that was a one off!
    Usually it is around x30 bet but it is not uncommon to win less than x10 bet.

    Free spin rounds average every 140 spins or so for me but as with all weighted slots the scatters go missing for long periods.
    The common lie of hitting the first 2 scatters but having no chance of hitting is in evidence as well. (You thought near misses were illegal? Not in the cesspool of unregulated gaming)

    What is your experience of this slot?
    Are they similar to mine or are you loving it and hitting big?
     
  2. May 26, 2010
  3. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Liked it at first - but that's because I hit loads of free-spin bonuses and 2 of my first 4 were over bet x 100.

    But then I had my first 2 Shit-Storm features & found out they are crap (Because they use DIFFERENT REEL STRIPS with most of the high-value symbols removed! :eek:)
    Then I had the Loki bonus & discovered that's crap too.
    Then the Odin... not as bad as the above.
    Finally the Thor bonus, where once again DIFFERENT REEL STRIPS with most of the high-value symbols removed made me feel like I'd been conned!

    A few days ago I went well over 1,000 spins without hitting the free-spins.
    In the first 800-ish of those I only hit the Shit-Storm once... and got half my bet back...

    So basically, yeah it's crap.
    Having said that just an hour ago I hit a single win of over bet x 100 during the Odin bonus (see Winner Screenshots).

    Entertaining, but extremely hard to get a decent win on.

    KK
     
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  4. May 26, 2010
  5. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    Is it a coincidence that everyone seems to have liked it at first and then it all went to hell in a hand basket?
     
  6. May 26, 2010
  7. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    Well I tried a reputable MG and got some game time but not much, still low RTP.
    I thought I would try CS and find out if the game was malfunctioning and if I could have my money back. :D (Yes, I was joking)
    However I got some interesting information (or lack of about the game)
    Remember this is a well respected casino and by the way CS were very polite and helpful - no fault there.
    I have cut the first half of chat and got to the interesting bit.

    CS: I appreciate you in holding for me whilst i was conversing with the Technical Team. from what i have been advised, being
    disconnected in your case is as a result of heavy bandwith ..meaning your bandwith connection versus the many players that are
    (I got disconnected continually but only on this game)
    playing on Thunderstruck 2 or tournaments as an example coincides with players being diconnected..they have advised that as it is a
    bandwith issue from your ISP,
    (No bandwidth issue my end - I was running 3 casinos and the other 2 were playing fine.)
    a refund is not likely unless there was a total halt of the game and many players were affected or a
    Game malfunctioning, there for sure refunds will be given.

    Me: OK I understand. I just have 3 questions then
    Me: 1. How often on average should the Lightning storm bonus round trigger?
    Me: 2. How often on average should the feature round be triggered and how is this figure arrived at?
    Me: Feature round being triggered by 3 or more scatter symbols
    Me: 3. What is the theoretical RTP of Thunderstruck 2 slot?
    Me: Thank you for your time and looking into this

    CS: yey, alright, please do hold for me whilst i attend to your questions
    Me: Thank you CS. I appreciate your help
    CS: hehe its okay :)
    Me: :D

    CS: Thank you for holding for me ...alright the question number 1,2 3 and the RTP the answer for that is this -> the spins are
    randomly generated and we do not know or foretall when that lucky spin lands for a player..it could be 2 spins, it can be your 50th
    spin...noone knows as it is a randomy generated number (spins if i can say for this regard)
    CS: so the main point is that its all radnomly generated and it applies for all slots
    CS: all games as well

    Me: Regarding 1. The slot when it is designed must have a theoretical RTP.
    Me: The random feature must have weighted chance of triggering
    Me: This applies to all video slots

    CS: once again , nooneknows as its all randomly generated number
    CS: sorry

    Me: The theoretical RTP is calculated from a combination of all possible outcomes and the total return over these outcomes
    Me: Only the reel stop positions are random
    Me: I think you misunderstand me.

    CS: Sorry but i did get what you said and our Tech team have read your chat which i have sent to them for feedback and this
    is the feedback i have at the current moment

    Me: Then they are simply refusing to answer the question appropriately which is a bit of a worry.
    Me: no offence to you CS
    Me: You are doing a good job
    CS: (aww thanks heheh)

    Me: What I am saying is all video slots are designed with theoretical RTP they use something called a PAR sheet or other method to calculate this
    Me: If they did not the operator would have no idea what the house edge would be and no Casino would purchase the software license#
    Me: It is like having a roulette wheel paying 35/1 for a number but not knowing how many numbers will be on the wheel
    Me: It would be crazy

    CS: i do get you.
    Me: Do the tech team?
    CS: I am sure they do :)
    Me: :) me too

    Me: Any chance of a straight answer from them?
    CS: I am afraid what i have advised you above is the resolve for the question you had
    Me: That is disappointing from such a well established casino
    Me: At least the CS is excellent
    Me: Thank you for your time CS and doing your best to resolve my issue

    Pretty hard to know if a game is fair or if it is functioning correctly under such circumstances but much more importantly why so reticent about the slots RTP when facing such a direct question?

    Anyway where is Simmo - he must have played this slot an awful lot by now.:)
     
  8. May 26, 2010
  9. XOXOXOXOXOX

    XOXOXOXOXOX Let em spin... PABaccred

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    i love it at first, i hit 3 out of 4 fs bonuses that paid over x 100 during my first section and the wild storm bonus was really good too. It was when the game was just released. But now after playing for sometime, i see that most of the time the game does not pay well ( surprise lol), I played at a few different casinos/ groups.
    I'd expect with 243 ways it should always hit at least something.
    I still like the graphics and sound effects though.

    Any one seen more then 2 wild reels during wild storm?
     
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  10. May 26, 2010
  11. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    Is anyone doing well with it anymore or was that all reserved for the first week or two of it's release?
     
  12. May 26, 2010
  13. SkBurner

    SkBurner Experienced Member PABnonaccred

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    Tough one this slot! I do like the game but have also noticed that about a week after launch it seemed to have 'cooled'.

    During Shit-Storm (Good one that KK :D) I've had a couple bet x50+ hits but it normally hits for bet x0-10, and takes forever to hit too. The highest paying symbols seem to go missing like KK said. I'm quite certain you can only hit a max of 2 wilds during this feature and don't think it can be hit during FS mode? Anyone seen that yet?

    I've played it exclusively on 0.30 cent bets and have collected 6 bet x100 wins from the few thousand spins I've had on it (at a couple different MG's). 1 was from the 1st FS feature and 5 from the Loki feature.

    I've unlocked all the features but have gotta say that I find the Loki feature the best, what does everyone else think? What feature do you take (if/when all are unlocked)?

    Also where do they get this Jackpot amount from? What combination would it take to achieve it?
     
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  14. May 26, 2010
  15. darkpixie

    darkpixie Senior Member

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    I haven't played since the first week they released it, if its 'cooled' wow. I didn't realize they could make a slot that cold even colder... :eek:
     
  16. May 27, 2010
  17. Deeplay

    Deeplay New World Order CAG mm1 webmeister

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    Im actually way up on this slot. Hit real good the other week around 450 times my bet if I recall. Had around 10 sessions of which 7 I have come away up, and up over all on this slot. Can be boring and shit storm is nothing but eye candy. Think its hit n miss but for me not one of my favs and the way this slot was plugged made us think it was somthing mega which I dont think it is.
     
  18. May 27, 2010
  19. PaaskeDenmark

    PaaskeDenmark Always think positive CAG PABnoaccred webmeister

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    Hi guys.

    I LOVE this slot, i just cant stop winning on it :p :D
    First i tried it at Casino La Vida, played s from 0,60 - 1,80 betwhere i kept getting free spins x 7 times within 200 spins also go Wild Storm 3 times, 1 of them paid out 170x !! (wildstorm on 3 first wheels), and kept going up and down from 150 pounds - 350 pounds, and nicely wagering more than over what i had to do on the free 10 pound no deposit they gave for new customer, so my total wager was around 600 pounds when i finished at 253 pounds and paid out, which winnings they confiscated GRR long story some you prob allready know, but dont wanna step into that, i have the PAB..... This was just to post about Thunderstruck II ...
    Amazing thing was i only played this Bonus trough on that slot HEHE :cool:

    BUT dont wanna talk anymore about Thunderstruck at Casino La XXXX...:what:

    What i then did today was i thought i would try out All Jackpot Casino (Jackpot Factory)

    Because i also have VIP status there and play at VIP casino....

    Got an invitation about promotion bonus, deposit and get 20 freespins.
    So i did that, got 15 pounds win on the 20 freespins to start off with.
    And my 25$ deposit was suddenly wagered with the bonus....
    Kept getting free spins again and again HEHE, total was 6x freespins within 230 spins.... got wild storm 1 time, but only paid out 17$
    But got some crazy wins in freespins like 137$ and also 123$....

    I quick got up to around 200$ , after that it was up down, lowest i got to was 126$, suddenly got the big wins, and kept going around 300$.... finally i struck almost 400$, but ended up paying out 351$ !!!! :lolup:
    After i also wagered trough the bonus and plenty more to show som mercy to one of my favorite and loved casino!! :p :D

    And just want to praise VIP Lounge (Jackpot Factory) here in these tough times where it seems like a lot of people complain about bad payouts etc...
    I had excellent service from always friendly and good support, livechat waited only 2 min. asked to get my winnings flushed, 2 min later done, and congrats on my winnings :)

    TOP CLASSE VIP Lounge (Jackpot Factory) :thumbsup:

    Withdrawal is expected within 8 hours as always...they are so fast now. Last time i recieved withdrawal within 3 hours !!!!

    Give them a chance guys, i bet even All Jackpot Casino will be good, normal there ive picked up good playtime from my deposits, and get a withdrawal now and then...

    Well later guys , im off to Intercasino to pick up a JACKPOT :cool: :D
     
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  20. May 27, 2010
  21. PaaskeDenmark

    PaaskeDenmark Always think positive CAG PABnoaccred webmeister

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    Again this just sums up again what ive posted a lot about, its all random and i dont believe in any more that the good casinos has made their slots more tight etc... its all about luck and believe in the mighty Archangel Michael.....no matte r what Your gonna say, he helps me and it works!
    Some players dont win other do! Also just to mention i deposited 35$ again at Lock Casino......despite what ive just said. Then ill have to say they VACUUM all my money....or moneymilkers HEHE... I allready said to myself last month, that i was done with them....but then hmmmmm was told by their manager that they are the highest payout ratio of all RTG casinos ....anyone know if this is true? :what:
    Because i have not had any playtime AT ALL of all the deposits ive done for around 500$ Grrrr...... :mad:
     
  22. May 27, 2010
  23. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I didn't do well with T2 when it first came out, but I just had a pretty good run today on it. It's like Hitman, if you can hit it when it's paying, it's awesome! I also found that I do better on it when I'm betting higher, so I don't start at anything less than $1.20 - I do 20 or 30 spins and if I'm not getting anywhere I go throw some money at Hellboy for awhile and come back.
     
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  24. May 27, 2010
  25. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Yes it is.
    The managers of ALL RTG casinos will tell you theirs has the highest pay-out and they are ALL telling the truth... :p

    KK
     
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  26. May 27, 2010
  27. AudiManinBoro

    AudiManinBoro Ueber Meister MM

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    Lol KK, aint THAT the truth :lolup:
     
  28. May 27, 2010
  29. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    So around 150x bet seems to be the "big win" on this slot.
    That is decent but judging how this game has played so far it could take that back in a few hundred spins easy enough.
    Maybe there is a mega win locked up in there somewhere and we will see it in a screenshot sometime but generally this slot seems to be all style and no substance.
    I have had much more playtime on the rather bland Lady in Red than Thunderstruck2 but I will give it 1 more go - if that turns out the same I will drop this game for good.

    Thanks all for your input.
     
  30. May 27, 2010
  31. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    OK tried Red Flush Casino again - the Casino that won't disclose the theoretical RTP of a slot.

    Return 42%

    If that game or these casinos are fair then I'm a Dutchman, ja?
     
  32. May 27, 2010
  33. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    Here ya go, from my last session. Almost 80 spins before I won the total of my bet (betx2 or more)


    View attachment 22581

    This is a whole bowl of wrong.
     
  34. May 28, 2010
  35. darkpixie

    darkpixie Senior Member

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    Hi Rusty,
    RTP is calculated for the life of any given machine from what I understand. So unless you hit spin the billions of times for the machine to completely cycle you will never see the actual RTP of the machine in one session. That is why for lots of slots you can spin for what seems forever and never hit anything worth writing home about, but someone else can jump in spin once and hit the jackpot.
     
  36. May 28, 2010
  37. WonderingSpirit

    WonderingSpirit Casino critic

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    As I wrote in another post.

    Free spins are crap.

    I have had the "THOR" free spins several times, and what I notice when I hit those 25 spins is the lack of reels with "pictures" . Almost only 9,10, j Q and K and usually only 3 of those which gives crap payouts.


    Nice design. Crap game imho.
     
  38. May 29, 2010
  39. PaaskeDenmark

    PaaskeDenmark Always think positive CAG PABnoaccred webmeister

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    Cheers mate yeah im staying away from that crap as well now, lost around first 400$ and 300$ casino share....they were like swalloing my money....no playtime at all......sorry not lost all there but at different microgamings....
    But managed to payout 200$ from Intercasino , didnt get my jackpot though :D and then THE BIG SHOCK!!!! I WON AT CASINO LOCK WTF !!!!!
    I paid out 150$ :p :D i have to say something positive now, even sent sorry to the manager after been complaining a lot in emails about that ive never won there so happy enough....just a shame Casino La vida doesnt want to know of me, allready wasted like 1500$ on casinos like last 3 days.....profit is total 1800$ though HEHE:lolup:
     
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