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[The Reel Story]

I have to tell you that, the chilli was capped at max 500 euro buys. It's 'wide-open' now up to 2000 euro. But reproduce that same thing as i done before is'nt happening anymore. Again they could have simply read my bets and behaviour and conclude that, there is a gap in between something. You dont tell me that the attention of someone withdrawing 65k in barely 3 days is'nt noticed, lol.

Not saying it's impossible, just saying it's unlikely given the quality of BTG. Certainly your withdrawals would have been looked at. The fact that you were given them is almost proof that there was nothing wrong (if the casino had found something wrong, they would be within their rights to withhold your winnings under their T&C, and it doesn't take much for a casino to keep money if they can )

I dont believe you man saying that repeating the cycle over and over again would eventually gain you profit. It's a very bad advice to give for random slots, lmao. There was a video once of a streamer Paul (

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) and he just blew alot on just chilli with bonus buys and gambling. It was very brutal to see. He had balls tho. But my point is that, i was pretty aware of what was going on. I would stake 2500 to 3500 on avg, and get various profits in return, repeating the cycle over and over again. It's why i kept my mouth shut wisely on this forum lol, because it was my little secret.

As i said, i tried to reproduce it after a while over and over again, with no luck. I'm sure that they 'changed' that. Just as attempting to buy the cheapest bonus buys and try to play it out the easy way. It simply won't let you pass a certain threshold. Do if it you dont believe me. Your battling a pattern and boundries.

It was most certainly not advice! It's a terrible idea. I just said, if you had a big enough balance, you will, at some point, probably be in profit, statistically speaking.

As I say, I doubt they changed anything. You just can't reproduce it because what happened was extremely lucky, but not impossible. If it was easy to do, then everyone would just make profit off slots, and that isn't how they work

 

[Bloatgoat]

With all those regulations going on, i dont think it would be 'good' news either when providers start using players as potential bug testers.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

What I can't get my head around is the fact that every time I inquisituvely open a large streamer's stream (I don't watch the big ones much), they're either in a bonus round or hit one within 2 minutes of me being there.

I used to watch a bit more of the bigger streamers but I turned off and you know why? Because those games are not playing as they do for the average punter. To be perfectly honest with you, I'd be AMAZED if some of these streamers aren't playing a higher RTP version. Even 98% instead of 96% would be noticeable.

It has nothing to do with bonuses or play time either. I would gamble 4 times a week or so for hours on mostly low stakes 20-40p putting millions upon millions of spins through slots a year and I can safely say that the proportion of big hits streamers get is well out of whack compared to expectation.

There is just a slight stink IMO.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Well that's the thing i was talking about. Once a bonus is applied it seems to rock all over the place. That is if you can make it towards the 35 ~ 40x wagering. Play with real money and all that action is not even close.

Nobody seems to answer or is willing to answer why on bonus money things look a bit more fruityer as they are. Sugarcoated gambling. I've played at different casino's and i can pretty much see to see the same thing going on. Ofcourse, the majority of streamers is playing with bonus money. Is playing with casino pre-filled accounts. All to glorify gambling like it's the number one wealth source on this planet.

It's not. There are even affiliate's out there targetting problem gamblers > WARNING - Affiliates Who Target Problem Gamblers

 

[The Reel Story]

What I can't get my head around is the fact that every time I inquisituvely open a large streamer's stream (I don't watch the big ones much), they're either in a bonus round or hit one within 2 minutes of me being there.

I used to watch a bit more of the bigger streamers but I turned off and you know why? Because those games are not playing as they do for the average punter. To be perfectly honest with you, I'd be AMAZED if some of these streamers aren't playing a higher RTP version. Even 98% instead of 96% would be noticeable.

It has nothing to do with bonuses or play time either. I would gamble 4 times a week or so for hours on mostly low stakes 20-40p putting millions upon millions of spins through slots a year and I can safely say that the proportion of big hits streamers get is well out of whack compared to expectation.

There is just a slight stink IMO.

Again, this is just a feeling. Go and actually watch them. Most of them lose, a lot. And most are happy to say how much they've lost (Nick Slots is ~60k down on casumo over his lifetime and about 3 or 4k down this year). On his last stream he had no luck, the stream before that, he had ALL the luck.

Very few of them have had hits as big as some 'regular' people (just look at the Casinogrounds 'community biggest wins' to see that.

People like to think that the streamers are playing with soem advantage, but it's simply not true. Again, it's your 'feeling'.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Yeah exactly. It's just you. Just keep on playing. Did you drop your deposit today yet?

Lol.

 

[The Reel Story]

Well that's the thing i was talking about. Once a bonus is applied it seems to rock all over the place. That is if you can make it towards the 35 ~ 40x wagering. Play with real money and all that action is not even close.

Nobody seems to answer or is willing to answer why on bonus money things look a bit more fruityer as they are. Sugarcoated gambling. I've played at different casino's and i can pretty much see to see the same thing going on. Ofcourse, the majority of streamers is playing with bonus money. Is playing with casino pre-filled accounts. All to glorify gambling like it's the number one wealth source on this planet.

It's not. There are even affiliate's out there targetting problem gamblers > WARNING - Affiliates Who Target Problem Gamblers

Nobody seems willing to answer? What? I literally answered it already. You just didn't like the answer I told you I have a YouTube channel with a tonne of videos of me USING bonuses that shows that this isn't the case (and these are affiliate bonuses, if you're suspicious i'm getting some kind of weird affiliate benefit). The majority of my videos are losses.

And it certainly isn't the majority of streamers who are using poor tactics. Quite the opposite, the majority are very up front. There is ALWAYS a minority who will do whatever it takes to make a quick buck, such as the affiliate in Casinomeisters thread. If there were lots, he would be posting a lot more of those threads now wouldn't he?

 

[Bloatgoat]

Dude, i dont wanna know about your channel. Your taking deals. As for as i am concerned there's only 2 streamers i watch, follow and have some sort of reasonable understanding of what's reality or not. I used to affiliate in the past too, trust me, and looking at those percentages affiliate marketing on casino's is offering (40 to 60% on losses on a players deposit) i'm pretty sure your just very eager to promote your channel does'nt it? It's the 2nd time you dropped that you have a channel now. I'm not interested. And perhaps you should tell the wagers you are getting on the losses of your affiliate signups, shoud'nt you?

He, I and a dozen are not the only ones who question streamer or let alone taking bonus money and getting wins all over the place.

 

[The Reel Story]

Haha, If I was promoting it, I wouldn't be doing it here. I have social media for that. You just like any old excuse not to look at tangible evidence in front of you. Conveniently hiding behind the 'crooked streamer' line even when the evidence would show the exact opposite.

As I already said (and i'm sure you ignored) I make no money from my channel, and no one here is going to sign up through any of my affiliate links (least of all you) so why would I be 'promoting' it? Nothing to gain here.

You could go and watch a few video's which would prove you wrong, but you don't want to do that. You'd rather decide that everyone who is willing to answer you has some other motive that makes them unreliable and you'll wait until someone random with no proof comes along and says 'Yeh man, you're totally right' then you'll jump on it and go 'See! SEE! I TOLD YOU'.

Also, Mr Slot used the words 'It has nothing to do with bonuses or play time either ' so he's not even agreeing with you on that point

Anyway, at this point, you're just a Troll. You're uninterested in anything that doesn't fit with your point of view and anyone who isn't actually asking questions to get a genuine answer isn't worth answering (probably why Trance never did in the first place).

 

[paul7388]

Haha, If I was promoting it, I wouldn't be doing it here. I have social media for that. You just like any old excuse not to look at tangible evidence in front of you. Conveniently hiding behind the 'crooked streamer' line even when the evidence would show the exact opposite.

As I already said (and i'm sure you ignored) I make no money from my channel, and no one here is going to sign up through any of my affiliate links (least of all you) so why would I be 'promoting' it? Nothing to gain here.

You could go and watch a few video's which would prove you wrong, but you don't want to do that. You'd rather decide that everyone who is willing to answer you has some other motive that makes them unreliable and you'll wait until someone random with no proof comes along and says 'Yeh man, you're totally right' then you'll jump on it and go 'See! SEE! I TOLD YOU'.

Also, Mr Slot used the words 'It has nothing to do with bonuses or play time either ' so he's not even agreeing with you on that point

Anyway, at this point, you're just a Troll. You're uninterested in anything that doesn't fit with your point of view and anyone who isn't actually asking questions to get a genuine answer isn't worth answering (probably why Trance never did in the first place).

Trance did waste his time in his ask anything thread a long time ago. Not sure if he just gave up trying. I was sitting reading all your detailed replies laughing saying what a waste of time.

But i think you soon realized that there is no point trying to explain somethings to some people as they are not interested in answers that do not fit their version of thinking.

 

[goatwack]

What I can't get my head around is the fact that every time I inquisituvely open a large streamer's stream (I don't watch the big ones much), they're either in a bonus round or hit one within 2 minutes of me being there.

I used to watch a bit more of the bigger streamers but I turned off and you know why? Because those games are not playing as they do for the average punter. To be perfectly honest with you, I'd be AMAZED if some of these streamers aren't playing a higher RTP version. Even 98% instead of 96% would be noticeable.

It has nothing to do with bonuses or play time either. I would gamble 4 times a week or so for hours on mostly low stakes 20-40p putting millions upon millions of spins through slots a year and I can safely say that the proportion of big hits streamers get is well out of whack compared to expectation.

There is just a slight stink IMO.

On an unrelated note (but not really) here's an interesting tidbit in regards to most streamers' authenticity. It didn't shake me to the core.....as we all suspected this is quite clearly a thing across many mediums

 

[Bloatgoat]

Haha, If I was promoting it, I wouldn't be doing it here. I have social media for that. You just like any old excuse not to look at tangible evidence in front of you. Conveniently hiding behind the 'crooked streamer' line even when the evidence would show the exact opposite.

Uh, so why would you mention twice that you have a youtube channel then, and being sponsored by casino's ? Do you want to impress me or anything? Did you know that i could start streaming too and hijack those followers you have in a eyeblink? That is, if i wanted. But i'd prefer not to be in that jungle. I'd like to play on my own and when i want to.

You could go and watch a few video's which would prove you wrong, but you don't want to do that. You'd rather decide that everyone who is willing to answer you has some other motive that makes them unreliable and you'll wait until someone random with no proof comes along and says 'Yeh man, you're totally right' then you'll jump on it and go 'See! SEE! I TOLD YOU'.

Pweeeeeepppp. Wrong answer. You or another said it 'mself that a single or multiple session do not take anything in account and that you guys need or want data. Well i work with what i see, i think that is the closest you could ever get.

Anyway, at this point, you're just a Troll. You're uninterested in anything that doesn't fit with your point of view and anyone who isn't actually asking questions to get a genuine answer isn't worth answering (probably why Trance never did in the first place).

Just because i disagree with your opinion or another, i'm a troll? Dude go stream, catch your little affiliate's with signup and deposit bonus, perhaps one day you can actually fund your gambling habbits off other people's money!

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Again, this is just a feeling. Go and actually watch them. Most of them lose, a lot. And most are happy to say how much they've lost (Nick Slots is ~60k down on casumo over his lifetime and about 3 or 4k down this year). On his last stream he had no luck, the stream before that, he had ALL the luck.

Very few of them have had hits as big as some 'regular' people (just look at the Casinogrounds 'community biggest wins' to see that.

People like to think that the streamers are playing with soem advantage, but it's simply not true. Again, it's your 'feeling'.

Indeed, however, even if you were playing a 98% slot version rather than a 96% one, you'd still end up down eventually.

My point is that in my eyes (and I can only go on what I see), some streamers seem to regularly hit bonuses and big wins more than would be usually expected.

I'm not disagreeing that this could be a fallacy but that's not my interpretation. I have no axe to grind nor any sort of beef with the industry. I've played multi millions of spins across a myriad of slot games and I have intuition.

I'm in my 30s now. I've enough life experience to know that some people in life will try and convince you of things, argue black is white etc etc (especially where money is involved) but I choose to make my own mind up these days.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

On an unrelated note (but not really) here's an interesting tidbit in regards to most streamers' authenticity. It didn't shake me to the core.....as we all suspected this is quite clearly a thing across many mediums

Where you see a common interest you'll see stuff like that happening. It's completely naive to think otherwise.

 

[Bloatgoat]

The belief of some people here that we all should go out blind and 'trust' the slots amazes me. Ah well. Stay in that illusion if you like it so much.

 

[shadow123]

Kind of a sweeping statement to say all slots are random,2000 plus games out there,yep all slots should be
random,have been tested and appear to be random but no one can catagorically say they are.
Planes have fallen out sky due to software errors that did not come to light during testing, only
becoming apparant during actual flights with devestating consequences..Compare the countless
millions that must have been spent on testing with a few hours pissing around with the latest Barcrap
game to see if its random.

 

[The Reel Story]

Kind of a sweeping statement to say all slots are random,2000 plus games out there,yep all slots should be
random,have been tested and appear to be random but no one can catagorically say they are.
Planes have fallen out sky due to software errors that did not come to light during testing, only
becoming apparant during actual flights with devestating consequences..Compare the countless
millions that must have been spent on testing with a few hours pissing around with the latest Barcrap
game to see if its random.

As I said, technical malfunction is possible, but that isn't the topic here. People are saying that slots are rigged or controlled and that is not the case. They are random. Could there be a broken one out there? sure, probably, but that's broken, not rigged and not controlled

And in 10 years in the industry with hundreds (maybe thousands?) of games running through the platform I ran. I never once saw a game that wasn't random. Def saw some broken ones a few times.

 

[shadow123]

My point was that testing is not infallable, one of the reasons given that games must be random is that they are compliance tested

 

[Bloatgoat]

It's no golden standard here either. Even VW bypassed emissions by programming the car wether to be on the road or on the test bench which had a huge impact on CO2 and Nox emissions.

ah well. Slots are still random right!

 

[shadow123]

yup if it looks random and plays random it must be random, end of discussion

 

[Playford7]

Kind of a sweeping statement to say all slots are random,2000 plus games out there,yep all slots should be
random,have been tested and appear to be random but no one can catagorically say they are.
Planes have fallen out sky due to software errors that did not come to light during testing, only
becoming apparant during actual flights with devestating consequences..Compare the countless
millions that must have been spent on testing with a few hours pissing around with the latest Barcrap
game to see if its random.

Random so they say, doesn’t mean not heavily weighted against you to win.
Just as they are in theory random don’t mean the rtp actually works that way

 

[pinnit2014]

At this juncture it would be prudent to introduce @snorky510238 into the debate as we know he is a purveyor of all things random.

 

[goatwack]

I thought we've moved past Random

This week's swell new word is, in fact, Scriptocompenfixed

 

[snorky510238]

HERE’S SNORKY!

Yeah ok from what we now know I will use the example that the purists have used many times.

The balls and the bag scenario (and no it’s not the one where the angle of the dangle is equal to the throb of the kno#) .

The example they use is there are ten balls in a bag 5 blue, 3 green, 2 red and one white.
They say the colour of the ball you pick is random. Yes of course it is (in as much as you can’t guarantee which colour you will pick) but if your life depended on it and you had to name the colour your going to pick you would guess blue obviously.

They say every outcome has to be available on every spin. What they don’t have to state is what the odds are on every spin. Now we know about reel sets being changed etc those odds could be changing dramatically on each spin.

This also leads me to think is this how slots are classed as random but this is a mask for compensated. What I mean is to keep rtp on track if the game pays a big win the next x amount of players get the duff reels until the pool builds up again and then the next set come into play. If nobody hits big and the pool hits the next threshold the next best set come into play and so on until the pot drops down again and the relevant reel sets come into play again.

For certain games especially the megaways this could be happening in the base game. On the more simple games where large base hits are not common perhaps only the bonus rounds are manipulated.

It may seem a bit out there but it would explain the undoubted hot and cold streaks and still be classed as random in providers eyes.

 

[Bloatgoat]

They just done a terrible job putting it together.