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The Wishmaster

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Wild Reels, Nov 21, 2014.

    Nov 21, 2014
  1. Wild Reels

    Wild Reels Meister Member webmeister

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    My wish for the wishmaster was - once you trigger a lantern bonus, it didn't cost you money to do those 10 spins, not once, not twice but three times tonight in 1 session i ran out of money during those 10 spins, and had to re-deposit a small sum to see them out, fortunately the last 1 won most of my money back. but still..

    I know its already caused issues with players abusing bonus money, free spins promotions where you cant see out the bonus round, but its awful game design, just imagine if every games "bonus feature" cost you money, heaven knows where they would fund the rtp from though its not like the standard game pays more than stake for most wins :mad:

    it does make me question if anyone who actually play slots for real get to quality check the slots and why aren't glaring things like this highlighted, that are spotted by the players with a week of release..

    rant over :p

    feel free to add your own rants :D
     
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  2. Nov 21, 2014
  3. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG MM

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    No complain here about this game. I love it!

    What I don't do though is playing it for my last money, just for the reason you stated.
    I always start with this game instead.
     
  4. Nov 22, 2014
  5. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    I mentioned this a while back - it's a ridiculous game (like the other Netbent tripe slot Big Bungle) for casinos to give free spins on, as you pay for the bonus rounds yourself each spin, and should you run out of credits you're stuffed. The Dish Washer did this to me on Guts; got the tea towel drop in with 2 free spins left, got the 3x multiplier IIRC and needless to say the first 2 'bonus' spins never paid enough for me to continue with the other 8.....:mad:
     
  6. Nov 22, 2014
  7. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    I wish kktmd was still around to find the exact variance of this game. I'm certain that it blows DoA and CFTBL out of water.
     
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2014
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  8. Nov 25, 2014
  9. bingostarr

    bingostarr Full Member

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    I'm working with a statistician friend on a new website listing specific slot stats from real play testing. I can take a look at The Wishmaster for you. We've been running 4 x 1,000 spin play cycles and comparing them to official stated manufacturer stats.

    What kind of stats would help shed light on the true character of the game? We're open to suggestions here :D

    Obviously I can't link the site but I can post the stats up here once we've done them.
     
  10. Nov 27, 2014
  11. PoissonX

    PoissonX Newbie member

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    Mathematician
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    Sweden

    You should tell your statistician friends that 4 x 1,000 spins will not be sufficient to get any kind of reliable stats. This is especially true if the slot has high variance. If for example 5% of the RTP comes from 1,000 x bet wins this mean they will have a hit frequency of around 1 in 20,000, this cannot be reliably estimated from 4,000 spins which means that your RTP estimations will be way off.
     
  12. Nov 27, 2014
  13. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    You need to do a LOT more spins than that!
    At least 10 x more if you want anything like an accurate picture IMHO.

    The other guy on this forum who tests out games runs to 100 features = around 16,000 spins.
    (Forgot his name, sorry!)
    Even that is not enough to get an accurate result.

    KK
     
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  14. Nov 27, 2014
  15. 3jokers

    3jokers Full Member webmeister

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    Very dangerous game for your bankroll, but it's a great feeling once you get multiple lamps at the same time.
     
  16. Nov 27, 2014
  17. Blathaon

    Blathaon Meister Member

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    That would be me :p

    My posts with 100 features on new slots is just to get a very rough idea of what to expect.

    Of course it isn't nearly enough to be statistically significant, for that you need hundreds of thousands of spins and preferably at least a few million like kktmd have done for some slots(DOA, TS2, IR, CFTBL and some others).
     
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  18. Nov 27, 2014
  19. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    The best part was when he was stripping the reels (on MGS) and then was able to determine the probabilities of landing various stuff. He then ran 1M spins on the slots and it was amazingly close to what was predicted.

    That's how I learned that MGS was using "genuine" reels and random stops to determine the outcomes, and that different bonus rounds on the same slots had the same RTP with different variance. So many people still don't know this. His posts should be sticked!
     
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  20. Nov 27, 2014
  21. bingostarr

    bingostarr Full Member

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    Of course that's true. The idea was not to challenge the manufacturer's stated RTP claims, but to run 'typical' play sessions and to compare the results. 1,000 spins helps to give a sense of what an average session might look like, and the varying RTP you might expect over a shorter play cycle. That's our aim, to help players understand what RTP means in context of how they might actually play the games.

    Maybe this is useless information and we should re-think?

    I would be interested in knowing how to run larger samples though. Is there any way to automate the data capture?
     
  22. Nov 27, 2014
  23. bingostarr

    bingostarr Full Member

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    I have just been reading those posts after your comments. Amazing stuff and should certainly be stickied!

    Avalon II, 1 in 2,555,120,700 chance of 5 scatters...wow.
     
  24. Nov 27, 2014
  25. lotusch

    lotusch Noob Webby webby PABaccred mm2

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    I got seriously beaten by this game a couple of weeks ago...
    I was playing this at Unibet and started with a balance well over €500.00 twice in a row,money I won on other machines...
    Wishmaster ate it away like candy and I seriously was thinking wtf is wrong with this game.
    However,a day after I went back with a €100.00 bankroll and I got fairly quickly a great bonusround with 2 different expanding/muliplier wilds and the x3 multiplier and it paid me just over 1000x bet so had the money back I invested in it the days before.

    Think one of Netents most high variance games ever except DOA which is just a sick piece of sh*t.
     
  26. Nov 27, 2014
  27. Casino2014man

    Casino2014man Non-Gambler

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    United Kingdom

    Seriously? That is 2 BILLION am I right?

    So I have more chance of winning the euromillions, by a mile.

    WOW. :eek:
     
  28. Nov 27, 2014
  29. bingostarr

    bingostarr Full Member

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    Well we ran our 4 x 1000 spins sessions on The Wishmaster and got results that pretty much tell the story of what this slot is like to play. Total spankings on three sessions and a big win (4 reels of Wilds) on one session that completely skewed the RTP.

    No we haven't learned anything conclusive, but the RTP and Profit graphs look cool :D

    [​IMG]
     
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  30. Nov 27, 2014
  31. bingostarr

    bingostarr Full Member

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    Yes. Insane statistic. Makes you think twice huh?
     
  32. Nov 27, 2014
  33. Brockie

    Brockie Experienced Member

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    Maybe I should have done the Euromillions then as I have hit these 5 scatters earlier this year :D, its hidden somewhere in the 5 scatters screen shots! It certainly didn't pay me anywhere near a euromillions winning amount though! :sob:

     
  34. Nov 27, 2014
  35. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Is it REALLY that high? That seems WAY too much. Got a link to the post?

    Even if true, it's still not as high as getting a full screen of wilds on Cashapillar: 1 in 4,029,109,968 spins... :eek2:

    KK
     
  36. Nov 27, 2014
  37. bingostarr

    bingostarr Full Member

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  38. Nov 27, 2014
  39. Zabier

    Zabier Experienced Member

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    That is ridiculous! If I actually managed to do that I would feel that my karma was seriously outweighed and that something terrible would happen to me that had odds of 2,555,120,700... like being hit in the face by a rocket propelled turkey so hard that the beak pierces my skull and I die... but even that's more likely to happen than getting five Scatters on Avalon II based on those figures!
     
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