It is also very clear that, by your own definition, you are unbalanced and biased.
It's becoming obvious that you have some kind of agenda/angle here. Time will tell if I'm right.
You've already made up your mind. I haven't....because I don't have all the facts. You obviously do, and were obviously privy to everything that went on....perhaps you know this person? Perhaps you can fill in all the details that weren't posted?
See, you're an example of why I've mainly stayed out of this thread. People like yourself aren't interested in a balanced discussion, only a witch hunt. My post presented BOTH sides, and shows that IF the player had absolutely NO part in the CB, then the casino SHOULD PAY minus all fees and fines. Can't see how that's unbalanced.
How do you can say that the OP couldn't possibly CB for that amount? Maybe they were short on cash, or their spouse found out, or they had cashflow problems and knew it would take weeks to get paid. Who the hell knows? One things for sure....there's endless possibilities and nobody can discount them all.
Here's a question/challenge for Tawni:
Do you have irrefutable evidence that it was the BANK that initiated the chargeback?
If YES......show that the new leaf has been turned and PAY the player.
If NO.....then give the player 7 days to produce certified documents to that effect, and a direct contact at their bank for verification....and if it checks out, then PAY the player.
If you have irrefutable proof that it was the player who initiated the chargeback, then please provide it to Bryan or in this thread.
Either way, this needs to be settled ASAP IMO.
Words and intentions are great. Time for action. Do what
32Red or 3Dice would do and look at evidence and intention, and take the logical steps to close the case once and for all.
P.S. Any payment should be minus any and all costs related to the chargeback. I would also think the player might consider a donation to a CM charity of a reasonably generous sum via deduction from the payment.
Ha ha, funny post.
It is obvious I have an agenda because I called you out on your post? LOL
So you back up your argument that you had a balanced opinion and don't slur people you disagree with by making yet more accusations without any basis whatsoever.
You then go on to say you stay out of the thread because of "people like me" and back this up by replying to all my posts in this thread which you were already posting in by the way. Not a very good record for integrity so far.
You then state I am part of a witch hunt against this group of casinos simply because I don't join you in thinking up every possible scenario of how the casino might be in the right?
I mean I just posted in a thread that was already here and I am just stating my opinion, how do you define that as a witch hunt?
I think a closer definition would be what you posted based on your wild assumptions against the player who we neither know nothing about.
There is a slim chance they are a fraudster somehow but we have zero evidence for that yet we have lot's of past evidence of this casino being fraudsters yet you want to take their side, why?
You say your post which I responded presented both sides, that is laughable. Point out specifically how and where it took the side of the player.
You disingenuously state that your post shows "that IF the player had absolutely NO part in the CB, then the casino SHOULD PAY minus all fees and fines" when what you actually wrote was
"I would think a good operator, perhaps 32Red or something (just speculating based on a long association here), would examine such evidence with an open mind. Provided the evidence is genuine and not open to interpretation, then I could see such a good operator agreeing to pay the winnings MINUS the deposits AND any associated fees and charges and fines from the card companies." which I think is sensible but hardly the same as saying you think they should pay the player if it is proven they didn't make the chargeback.
Especially sine you spent the previous paragraphs vilifying the player as a potential fraudster
"It's quite possible that the player was attempting to "freeroll" the house, which is a very common tactic used by fraudsters and other n'er-do-wells in our society.") "
and your opening line was,
"In any other casino, if your deposits were charged back......by you/the bank/santa claus/whomever...then the winnings are void."
I think the probable reason you contradict yourself is because you have a natural bias toward the casino and against the player but halfway through your post thought that it was too obvious so decided to try and add some "balance" - that or maybe you just aren't very logical person.
I haven't already made up my mind on that specific case actually but based on the balance of what we know so far I certainly wouldn't be going out of my way to think up scenarios of how the player may have cheated this cheating casino as you did. I never said I know they could not of possible made a chargeback (yet another strawman from you) What I said was that it defies common sense that the player would make a chargeback after making a withdrawal request for 35K and the casino has not stated the player requested the chargeback. You can come up with as many possible asinine explanations you wish but why bother if you haven't an agenda is all I am saying.
The one thing I personally have my mind made up on is that proven cheats and fraudsters (and I include players) do not deserve repeated chances to carry out the same fraud and cheats. This is not the same moral situation as a thief serving time in prison and looking for a job and us wondering whether they should be given a chance to prove themselves so that they can make an honest living. Some people will feel differently, fine, matter of opinion and I guess the only opinion that really counts is the one of whoever decides whether they should get another chance on this site.
If the player is a fraudster then they deserve all they get though I wouldn't have much sympathy for a fraudulent casine being defrauded just as I wouldn't have much sypathy for mugger being mugged.
Only you know your true motives Nifty29 and we don't have to get along, clearly we don't, and I won't pretend to respect your opinion on this, it makes little sense to me but let's agree to avoid this degenerating into a personal slander match. You need to stop throwing out wild and spurious allegations and then saying your view was balanced.
We might even be closer than we think in our positions anyway. We both agreed with ChuChu's post for example so clearly there is a middle ground for us.
If your position truly is the player should be paid if it can be shown the bank initiated chargebacks, rather than boohoo tough luck, probably a fraudster anyway, I see that as fair minded and balanced.
I am certainly for players getting all they deserve if they try to defraud casinos, I don't make any distinction between cheats.
Approaching this with an open mind would be absurd. They have had chance after chance. This is like having an open mind on letting a repeat convict, who is a thief, handle your bank accounts. 
