The US government and the Internet

The Watchdog

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Just amazing

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This shows just what I think about all those guys from the US goverment.. what a bunch of morons...

No further comments, that serious type of stupidity might be contagious if we keep talking about it...
 

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Yea, I posted this reference over in the HR 4777 thread, but thanks for a new one, as well as the actual clip.

Here's a transcript of it, as well as a colorful commentary on wired.com

:D Friggin hilarious

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PS: Besides him not knowing the difference between the Internet and Email:

Your Own Personal Internet

The Senate Commerce Committee deadlocked 11 to 11 on an amendment inserting some very basic net neutrality provisions into a moving telecommunications bill.

Don't you think they'd have the brains to have an ODD number of members on ANY committee so there's no deadlocks, EVER? Oh wait, that gives them a way to waste more time and taxpayers money.
 

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This is the funniest link ever, but also the saddest, that a supposed "comedy show" tells the truth better than the media. Honestly, I don't know how you can propose an argument for anything if you don't know the first thing or never experienced anything about the topic. This type of stuff rings true for sending troops to a god damn war. These damn :mad: people tell us to go to war but never have I heard them tell their own kids to go to this war. But yes, you common folk, it's ok for you to send your kids to war. Let those ****ers die.
 

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I was rolling with laughter ... thanks for the links! ...

Then I remembered that Stevens and other totally clueless politicians are the people deciding what I can and can't do on the internet. :eek2:
 

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The first 4 minutes make you want to cry, but the last minute is hilarious :D

Now I am no conspiracy thorist, but if you wanted the Net Neutrality act to fail, you'd want that guy to be driving it :)
 

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What really gets to me is that the government is cherry picking what gambling activity is ok for me, and what is not. Horse racing and online lottery would still remain legal, but card games and sports betting is not. Gambling is gambling folks...

And how does the government intend to enforce such a law? spy on us? Block out internet access to these sites from the US? This all sounds like stuff they would do in a in Iran. What is wrong with our government?
 

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Mousey said:
Then I remembered that Stevens and other totally clueless politicians are the people deciding what I can and can't do on the internet.
Thanks
Now that is a really very scary thought... No joke... I hope all you eligible voters get busy this November.
 

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If they really wanted to protect Americans, they'd ban something more horrific than online gambling...namely, child porn.

I don't see them lifting a finger to do so though - imagine that.
 

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Consider this----

In my local newspaper Wednesday 7/12 in very big bold display

WASHINGTON (AP)--
Tribal casinos pulled in $22.6 billion in gambling revenue last year, double the take of Nevada gambling, as Indian casinos recorded another record year, the industry trade group reported Tuesday. The revenue was a 15 percent
increase from the $19.6 billion Indian gambling reaped in 2004, according to the National Indian Gaming Association. Tribal gambling has recorded double-digit growth almost every year since Congress created the legal framework
for it in 1988 - blah blah blah
(WOW!! DOUBLE THE TAKE OF NEVADA GAMBLING!!!!!)

Then directly below that article was this one in the same huge big bold display:
HOUSE PASSES BILL TO LIMIT INTERNET GAMBLING blah blah blah

When it comes to the big bucks you can bet the US government is going to try and keep those big $$$$ here. It is a control issue with them. Big brother and all that crap--

BTW: As I type, the Seneca Indian Casino near me is being fined for illegally fixing the payout percentage on their slot machines. They have been fined in the past for rigging their bingo vehicle promotions (tribal members were driving 99% of the vehicles) and they have been caught numerous times for their shady "rip-off/pull tab" ticket antics. Where is the legislation to keep these guys on the up and up? Why are there no bills being passed to protect the players at these "legalized" gambling gyp joints?
 

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trips to win said:
BTW: As I type, the Seneca Indian Casino near me is being fined for illegally fixing the payout percentage on their slot machines. They have been fined in the past for rigging their bingo vehicle promotions (tribal members were driving 99% of the vehicles) and they have been caught numerous times for their shady "rip-off/pull tab" ticket antics. Where is the legislation to keep these guys on the up and up? Why are there no bills being passed to protect the players at these "legalized" gambling gyp joints?


Because Indian Reservations don't fall under Federal law. They couldn't regulate it if they wanted to...hell, they don't even see a penny of tax revenue from these casinos.

btw, not all Reservation casinos are like this one.....
 

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well.........

the National Indian Gaming Commission is a Federal Agency that oversees tribal gaming. The government doesn't get their piece of the pie? hmmmmm-
As for all Indian casinos not being as shady as the Seneca casino, how would anyone know for sure? Fixing slot pay out percentages isn't that hard to do. I have done it many times before. :confused:
 

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trips to win said:
the National Indian Gaming Commission is a Federal Agency that oversees tribal gaming. The government doesn't get their piece of the pie? hmmmmm-
As for all Indian casinos not being as shady as the Seneca casino, how would anyone know for sure? Fixing slot pay out percentages isn't that hard to do. I have done it many times before. :confused:

Mohegan Sun (just to name one off the top of my head) is highly respected.

It's just the small outfits you have to be on the lookout for.

And yes, they don't get their piece of the pie. That's why alot of people get their cigarettes there, as well as online - no taxes, so they're definately cheaper. Some states have outlawed buying cigarettes online just for that fact.
 

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Do you suppose-

there is a possibility of them collecting revenue in the future? That perhaps they are just setting the stage in anticipation for the real play to begin?
I own a hospitality business that requires a liquor license. When NY state
implemented the smoking ban/no smoking law in bars and restaurants it was just another
set-up. I believe it is fair and necessary to ban smoking in restaurants. I believe it is an infringement on my rights and the rights of my customers to ban smoking in a bar room.
My point? .... I hear tell that possibly next year there will be an amendment to the liquor license re-newal form. Want smoking in your bar? Pay an extra $1,000 for the privilege. The government set the stage... now do I want to stay and see the play? They will always end up on top where the almighty dollar is concerned. Hide and watch.
 
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trips to win said:
the almighty dollar

The three magic words. How many ways can you dress these up in drag to fool the public? American Values my a*s :D
 

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winbig said:
If they really wanted to protect Americans, they'd ban something more horrific than online gambling...namely, child porn.

I don't see them lifting a finger to do so though - imagine that.

I agree to a point about child porn,and other sick stuff that goes on through the internet but lets face it theres billions of $ gambled weekly on the net and not all people can afford to lose the money they are spending..now a quickretort to that would be well why dont they stop..simple reason >>>addiction...it is so easy to get addicted to internet gaming esp poker that 100s if not 1000s of people have lost a lot in there lives and the majority of gaming companies do not care where they $ comes from or the people that are losing it..i think it is unfair that the government wants to ban all online gaming in america what they need to do is regulate it with severely strict rules on it..for exampl sites like im using this as an exampl www.betfair.com here in the UK you can ban yourself forever if you want and have no way of getting back on..ALL sites should be like that and banks also must take responsibilities and i am glad visa and m/c have decided to call a stop on online gaming.

Recently in scotland there was a man charged with 17 counts of fraud he used his parents credit cards on the net and lost 157,000 GBPabout $300,000 in a cpl hours ..thats an extreme case but i gurantee for every single person out there that gambles normally theres 10 people who bet online more than they can afford. i wish all sites were like betfair or governement regulated so they were forced into some action regarding self exclusion.i know a man who tried a lot of times to get banned from prima network but they just let him openand open and open multiple acounts before he lost his car,house and family through online poker. gambling is an addiction that noone else can see if your an alcoholic then everyone can see but thats where gambling is worse cos on the outside you can be A ok but on the inside there is a lot of major problems..

So in conclusion US governemnts gone too far but a stricter line on online gaming is called for and must be introduced before many others lose everything they have.
 

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craig_AA said:
...but a stricter line on online gaming is called for and must be introduced before many others lose everything they have.

Can't disagree on that, but brushing it under the carpet isn't the way to do it. The way to do it is by education and the way to achieve (and fund) that, asy u point out, is through regulation.

Aside from which, if their motivation for the Bills is to prevent gambling addiction, as they laughingly claim, they wouldn't exclude lotteries and horse betting. That's the giveaway that addiction, "values" and protection for their voting public are not even concerns.
 
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Simmo! said:
Aside from which, if their motivation for the Bills is to prevent gambling addiction, as they laughingly claim, they wouldn't exclude lotteries and horse betting. That's the giveaway that addiction, "values" and protection for their voting public are not even concerns.

Id just like to point out that horse racing and lotteries are self regulated and the government i dont know if its the same in america but has limited power as to what it can do with these privatised industries its prob the same in the US thats why they have to steer clear on these ....


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craig_AA said:
i dont know if its the same in america but has limited power as to what it can do with these privatised industries its prob the same in the US...

Not sure but I'm guessing "not" as the Rep from Nevada tried to tack on an anti-horsey amendment to 4411, and they would only have allowed it to go to vote if they could influence it.

We're probably going off topic into the 4777 thread where this is discussed at length, so back on topic, who has faith that the Senate are the Intelligent man's House Of Representatives, after that video :D
 

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WOW!! DOUBLE THE TAKE OF NEVADA GAMBLING!!!!!

Well I think one thing we can agree on is that Nevada Casinos are Honest. They are watched At every level by numerous observers and the business running the Casinos in Nevada have found that they can make lots and lots of money without cheating.

Now for Native casinos to suddenly make more than double what is made in the casinos in Nevada, there is ONLY one explanation... the Native Casinos are cheating people.

I don't think this comes as a surprize to anyone that is in the biz, but I don't think most players are aware that going into a Native Casino gives you less of a chance of winning than playing at an average online casino.
 

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craig_AA said:
Ill people can afford to lose the money they are spending..now a agree to a point about child porn,and other sick stuff that goes on through the internet but lets face it theres billions of $ gambled weekly on the net and not a quickretort to that would be well why dont they stop..simple reason >>>addiction...it is so easy to get addicted to internet gaming esp poker that 100s if not 1000s of people have lost a lot in there lives and the majority of gaming companies do not care where they $ comes from or the people that are losing it..i think it is unfair that the government wants to ban all online gaming in america what they need to do is regulate it with severely strict rules on it..for exampl sites like im using this as an exampl www.betfair.com here in the UK you can ban yourself forever if you want and have no way of getting back on..ALL sites should be like that and banks also must take responsibilities and i am glad visa and m/c have decided to call a stop on online gaming.

Recently in scotland there was a man charged with 17 counts of fraud he used his parents credit cards on the net and lost 157,000 GBPabout $300,000 in a cpl hours ..thats an extreme case but i gurantee for every single person out there that gambles normally theres 10 people who bet online more than they can afford. i wish all sites were like betfair or governement regulated so they were forced into some action regarding self exclusion.i know a man who tried a lot of times to get banned from prima network but they just let him openand open and open multiple acounts before he lost his car,house and family through online poker. gambling is an addiction that noone else can see if your an alcoholic then everyone can see but thats where gambling is worse cos on the outside you can be A ok but on the inside there is a lot of major problems..

So in conclusion US governemnts gone too far but a stricter line on online gaming is called for and must be introduced before many others lose everything they have.


I agree 100% on this, but on the other hand, will we ever really know how many people lose everything they own in Atlantic City, Vegas, and Indian reservations?

I really doubt it, because these are "unheard stories". It's bad publicity for gambling that's still legal, and will nevre be shut down.

I'm sure there's just as much loss going on in those cases as there is with online gambling. Same goes for those that steal money to go gamble at B&M casinos.
 

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i dunno really if theres the same powers imposed by government in the US or do the individual states make different laws regarding land based casinos???? here in the UK the government has many rules and ALL or most are to protect patrons.. If you have a gambling habit thats out of control you can self exclude yourself from every single casino in the UK within a very short space of time.If you have a dispute about a casino you can get an independant body in the UK the OFT to investigate it .This is the area that online comes into its own you can go from casino to casino noone cares and your welcomed with bonuses wherever you go the attraction is way too good anopportunity for gambling addicts and potential addicts.

I wish i still had the link to a site where there was an investigation carried out using UK debit cards called ELECTRON that are widely issued to minors from the age of 13 upwards. Now this study went into a supervised study with an 16 year old and used his debit card to see what sites welcomed him..out of 48 sites 32 he actually was able to open an account and play at ..THIS is the problem it proved that online casinos and poker rooms NOT ALL but the majority have no care as to whom is playing as long as $ are rolling in and thats why the government is right to act because until casinos and poker rooms get there own act in order which they clearly for the most part dont someone has to take control so thumbs up to the government and i hope in the most you agree and not a case of why should some people suffer because of this its a massive problem and if only 1 person suffers thats 1 too many.



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Craig AA, if you let me have some facts and detail on the following statement you made earlier in this thread I would very much like to follow this up with the company/companies involved:

QUOTE: i know a man who tried a lot of times to get banned from prima network but they just let him openand open and open multiple acounts before he lost his car,house and family through online poker. UNQUOTE

You can do so privately if you prefer.
 
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