The slow death of the online casino bonus

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Bonuses have become near-unbeatable, they've even got worse in the time since this thread started. I'd hate to be a new player coming into this current minefield!

Apart from maybe three or four fair places to stand a chance of a cashout, taking the bonus boils down to just wanting extended playtime nowadays, or keeping the bonus so low that you might just scrape by eg £10- 20.

Even my opinion is changing on what was once lowroller-friendly bonuses, I find myself playing with real funds almost exclusively these days :(
 
Repeat again::

Sneaking in more excluded games,
Boosting the wager requirement,
Excluding E wallets from receiving bonus,

The above 3 has happen across sites in a number of recent weeks,

Received a message of JonM over the weekend asking have I received emails from DrVegas in the last few days, Answer was no, Which is shocking as used to get one daily from since I can remember, So looks like another site is degrading there bonus system, Only thing I can think off,

Its a bloody shame as I think its going to back fire, Bonus is what a lot of people wants, Especially low rollers which I believe are the majority of a casino's bread and butter. Once the bonus dries up and become just pointless exercise to take one than people are going to play sites like VS where you actually earn things at the end of the week,

Its not rocket science to see whats going to happen, I used to deposit just about every day at bingostars and one or two of there sister bingo sites for the daily deposit £10 get 10 free bonus, Than they uped there deposit to depo £20 for 10 bonus, This was after they uped there wager Req, I have not took the bonus since and believe me they took more money of me than I withdraw
 
Bonuses have become near-unbeatable, they've even got worse in the time since this thread started. I'd hate to be a new player coming into this current minefield!

Apart from maybe three or four fair places to stand a chance of a cashout, taking the bonus boils down to just wanting extended playtime nowadays, or keeping the bonus so low that you might just scrape by eg £10- 20.

Even my opinion is changing on what was once lowroller-friendly bonuses, I find myself playing with real funds almost exclusively these days :(

Same as that here! Rarely take bonuses . Avoid like the plague . Impossible to wager and usually bust out even if I've been grinding it out for hours
 
Many good points made on this thread. Bonuses are certainly becoming a minefield with the number of restrictions and onerous wagering requirements, particularly the Deposit + Bonus wagering requirements that seem to be more common and have been discussed elsewhere.

I still do take some bonuses, but usually only where you have an opportunity to cash out if you have a good win before touching the bonus money such as at Royal Panda, Leo Vegas and All British, Also I do take the 32Red Dish of the Day on occasions as I think the wagering is reasonable, although a number of times I would have cashed out more if I had taken a smaller bonus!

Chris
 
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Hey,

If you want a really big bonus, you have to play on crapmeister.com :thumbsup:
You will get there a bonus for the first 3 pay-ins. The bonus for the first pay-in is 200%. You pay 50 and get 150. :eek2:

Good Luck!
 
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Betsson bonuses.

They changes t&c.

Have you noticed that there is now max bet limit of 6€/£/$ in bonus.

Also i tryed 3 weeks contact to loyalty , but yesterday get information from support , that those emails dont work anymore.. It was strange that support asked me to wait allways couple of hours and loyalty will respond.. Everyone of them dint know that there isnt nobody..

Halvor "Betsson rep " is very good of getting contact :D. He getted my loyalty bonus in 3 minutes. from support:eek2:
 
As if clearing bonuses isnt hard enough.
Got a 120 bonus balance in butlers.
Get an email from them this morning saying I have a 3 quid bonus on bingo and casino.
Tells me to open a game and they will be credited.
Logged in and bonuses already on account.
Managed to get bingo one removed but they cant remove the casino one as they would have to remove my 120 quid as well.
Cheers for that butlers, another 120 quid onto my WR
 
I guess it's a very slow death. These days most casinos/sportsbook have just switched to completely separating real and bonus money. A few are even offering free spins that are worth playing. Haven't worked in support for a while now, but when I did most people had no idea how the bonus works(surprise, no one reads t&c), and increasing amount of customers were starting to ignore it completely. I doubt it will ever die completely, even though gamification is starting to win some ground.
 
Online casino - money or bonus

The first things you have to understand before getting real money into this game are the different types of game styles, both of your opponents and yours too. Why? To know how you should be betting against them and how to adapt your poker style to the rhythm of the game.
 
The first things you have to understand before getting real money into this game are the different types of game styles, both of your opponents and yours too. Why? To know how you should be betting against them and how to adapt your poker style to the rhythm of the game.

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I have to admit, I love playing with bonuses. I also don't mind playing under extensive terms and conditions. But, for everyone's protection, if possible, DO NOT ALLOW THE PLAYER TO BREAK THE RULES. That means, if a game is not allowed, do not allow it to be accessed when playing with bonus. If there is a minimum or maximum you wish the player to wager per spin or hand, limit it in the software. If a player is not allowed to comingle bonuses, prevent it in the cashier. In this manner, we can prevent all the BS about bonus rules, bonus abuse, and fine print. Players want to play. Casinos need to set rules but please let the player play and not worry they raised their wagers on a rush and now are disqualified or didn't read the entire T&C. We are gamblers, not lawyers :)

Oh, and one more thing, PLEASE no max cashouts on deposit bonuses. If I hit the spin I can post on 1000x or 3000x threads, I want to collect all of it!

Just my 2c worth of opinion.

yes this!

It always baffles me why the max bet button isn't disabled at least. More than once I have been close to clicking the max bet button by accident, Which would cause me to lose current or future winnings.
The above post makes bonus seem much more appealing

I actually prefer the bonus at videoslots, can withdraw at anytime, But it isn't instant, Must play to earn the bonus.
 
I have to admit, I love playing with bonuses. I also don't mind playing under extensive terms and conditions. But, for everyone's protection, if possible, DO NOT ALLOW THE PLAYER TO BREAK THE RULES. That means, if a game is not allowed, do not allow it to be accessed when playing with
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. If there is a minimum or maximum you wish the player to wager per spin or hand, limit it in the software. If a player is not allowed to comingle bonuses, prevent it in the cashier. In this manner, we can prevent all the BS about bonus rules, bonus abuse, and fine print. Players want to play. Casinos need to set rules but please let the player play and not worry they raised their wagers on a rush and now are disqualified or didn't read the entire T&C. We are gamblers, not lawyers :)

Oh, and one more thing, PLEASE no max cashouts on deposit bonuses. If I hit the spin I can post on 1000x or 3000x threads, I want to collect all of it!

Just my 2c worth of opinion.

Yeah once I use no deposit bonus in some shitty casino (they went bankrupt not long after that!) and using Martingale (I get lucky, in no way I would recommend this system to anyone) at roulette manage to win over $1000 - then clear the wagering requirements at video poker, made a deposit in order to withdraw the remaining ~$900 and guess what? "Roulette is banned" and they took away all my winnings. I went and leave bad review for them in every website I find.
 
Tax on Bonuses

Surely this will have a major affect on bonuses??


UK casino affiliates and those abroad targeting the UK online gambling market are not happy with the top-heavy deals UK Casino operators are currently offering them. Regrettably it looks like matters are just going to get worse from here on end.

New Tax Rate Not Good For All Parties Concerned
The UK government recently issued a statement where it said online casinos face a serious tax hike that could run into millions of pounds. Reason being UK licensed online casinos are using ‘free spins’ and bonuses as a loophole to avoid paying taxes.
As it is the industry is already burdened with a tax rate that’s best described as exorbitant and UK licensed operators are being taxed twice as much as their offshore counterparts. Those in the know reckon it’s because the UK’s economy is busy experiencing a bit of a downturn at the moment. Many online bingo and casino operators rope in new clientele by offering them exclusive free spins and bonuses on their slot machines.
Research points out that players simply can’t refuse exclusive offers, especially the ones with limited budgets. These perks aren’t only offered to new players but to current ones too. However, although these perks are construed as ”free”, tax officials said that they must be subjected to tax. Problem is if implemented this new tax law on operators will come into law next autumn-it will cost the industry in taxes an additional £100 million per year.
Presently there are more than 300 licensed online casinos in the UK market, the new tax could compel operators to ply their trade elsewhere or simply close down shop. To be honest this is really not good news and could spell the death knell for a bustling gaming market. It’s already difficult to deal with the Point of Consumption Tax (PoC) let along the forthcoming new tax rate.
During the past two decade many listed UK bookmakers have set up offshore gaming operations in order to avoid paying online gambling taxes. In 2014 a new tax law imposed by the British Gambling Commission compelled operators to fork out 15 percent of gross profits and were liable for Remote Gaming Duty.
In summary. If the new tax law is implemented it will have dire ramifications on the UK’s online gaming market. It’s not only operators that’s going to feel the brunt of the tax law but affiliates too. Affiliates are already complaining about the ‘dubious’ stats reports operators give them where bonus and various other details are omitted. The net result is affiliates are fed up with ‘watered-down’ stats reports that could easily be ‘manipulated’.
 
Surely this will have a major affect on bonuses??


UK casino affiliates and those abroad targeting the UK online gambling market are not happy with the top-heavy deals UK Casino operators are currently offering them. Regrettably it looks like matters are just going to get worse from here on end.

New Tax Rate Not Good For All Parties Concerned
The UK government recently issued a statement where it said online casinos face a serious tax hike that could run into millions of pounds. Reason being UK licensed online casinos are using ‘free spins’ and bonuses as a loophole to avoid paying taxes.
As it is the industry is already burdened with a tax rate that’s best described as exorbitant and UK licensed operators are being taxed twice as much as their offshore counterparts. Those in the know reckon it’s because the UK’s economy is busy experiencing a bit of a downturn at the moment. Many online bingo and casino operators rope in new clientele by offering them exclusive free spins and bonuses on their slot machines.
Research points out that players simply can’t refuse exclusive offers, especially the ones with limited budgets. These perks aren’t only offered to new players but to current ones too. However, although these perks are construed as ”free”, tax officials said that they must be subjected to tax. Problem is if implemented this new tax law on operators will come into law next autumn-it will cost the industry in taxes an additional £100 million per year.
Presently there are more than 300 licensed online casinos in the UK market, the new tax could compel operators to ply their trade elsewhere or simply close down shop. To be honest this is really not good news and could spell the death knell for a bustling gaming market. It’s already difficult to deal with the Point of Consumption Tax (PoC) let along the forthcoming new tax rate.
During the past two decade many listed UK bookmakers have set up offshore gaming operations in order to avoid paying online gambling taxes. In 2014 a new tax law imposed by the British Gambling Commission compelled operators to fork out 15 percent of gross profits and were liable for Remote Gaming Duty.
In summary. If the new tax law is implemented it will have dire ramifications on the UK’s online gaming market. It’s not only operators that’s going to feel the brunt of the tax law but affiliates too. Affiliates are already complaining about the ‘dubious’ stats reports operators give them where bonus and various other details are omitted. The net result is affiliates are fed up with ‘watered-down’ stats reports that could easily be ‘manipulated’.

This came into force this year in September I believe.
 
Cashback... Bring it on.

Disclosure: I have a small white label casino.

I've read the whole thread and casinomeister's article about bonuses and his general dislike of them. Broadly, I agree with the overall view that bonuses are divisive and not really player friendly.

As an operator I get stuck in this cycle where I have to advertise big headline numbers in order to get some attention on affiliate sites. I feel it's very like the insurance industry i.e. low premiums equals getting on the top of lists and obviously for us is the inverse.

As far as wager requirements go, 40 times allows us to breakeven on matched bonuses. Even then, were spending about half our gross revenue on bonuses, so obviously some customers are doing okay with them.

In an ideal world I would really like to not offer any bonuses, but just have cash back. To me the principle of cashback is equivalent to discounts on bulk purchasing. The more you gamble, effectively the less risk you should have by increasing the amount of cash given back to you if you lose. Also cashback is very manageable from an accounting point of view. In other words a bit like affiliate revenue share, you know your liability based on losses generated. It's one of my big projects for January to come up with some kind of system perhaps hooked into points... Along with some kind of straight cashback percentage, a bit like No deposit casino (Who I admire)

Another thing were doing is copying an idea from the payday loans sector: have a bonus crafter where on one end it's all free spins and on the other it's no free spins and all matched deposit bonuses, with at least 20 variants in between. The bonus crafter generates a bonus code, which will hopefully be the right mix of free spins and matched bonus for you. The idea is to give people choice.

But, it doesn't get away from the root issue which is hopeful rise of cashback/the slow death of bonuses. I think a lot of casinos are either afraid to give it a go or don't have the right systems in place to make the whole process smooth. For example if you're a large operator, these kind of changes are risky. Because you get fired for failure and don't get rewarded for achievement and if you're already making money, why do anything different?

On top of the 'Meh' attitude I've seen from big operators, there's also technical debt and the resulting fragile infrastructures that could easily be broken if you try creating a whole new bonus structure within an ageing system. As somebody who has worked within a couple of large operators, the usual process is:
> 'I've got a big idea'
> put the business case together
> come up with some random numbers because you have no hard data
> pitch the idea in
> get buy in from executives, because good ideas are good
> everything grinds to a halt when it hits the technology team, because they are firefighting some issue that loses them cash/potentially get them fired instead of maybe helping the overall business

That's why brands like Casumo and Videoslots Slotsmillions, Leo Vegas are so good, because they have less to lose and have a culture that is built around customer experience and giving it a go. And knowing several of the founders/CEOs of these brands, I know they feel the same as me about the dangers of that corporate 'Meh' attitude.

For smaller operators like me, I'm anchored into the white label software I use. So, if I come up with a big idea it has to be taken on board, developed and robust enough so they can potentially work across a whole network of sites. In turn that creates inertia and so potentially good ideas end up going nowhere.

I really hope bonuses are on their way out, but since bonuses largely appeal to 'noobs' who don't understand the consequences of the terms and conditions they sign up to and since churn rates are always so high for casinos, I think most brands will stick to trying to appeal to 'fresh meat'. A good example would be the way bet365 have blanked casinomeister, because obviously they believe that experienced gamblers like the people here are not a big enough block of customers to seriously engage with. Not good in my opinion, because beginners become experienced over time.

Final thoughts: there's no such thing as a free lunch. If you're a smart gambler, you won't take a bonus, because the odds will be stacked against you. Bring on cashback.
 
Disclosure: I have a small white label casino.

I've read the whole thread and casinomeister's article about bonuses and his general dislike of them. Broadly, I agree with the overall view that bonuses are divisive and not really player friendly.

As an operator I get stuck in this cycle where I have to advertise big headline numbers in order to get some attention on affiliate sites. I feel it's very like the insurance industry i.e. low premiums equals getting on the top of lists and obviously for us is the inverse.

As far as wager requirements go, 40 times allows us to breakeven on matched bonuses. Even then, were spending about half our gross revenue on bonuses, so obviously some customers are doing okay with them.

In an ideal world I would really like to not offer any bonuses, but just have cash back. To me the principle of cashback is equivalent to discounts on bulk purchasing. The more you gamble, effectively the less risk you should have by increasing the amount of cash given back to you if you lose. Also cashback is very manageable from an accounting point of view. In other words a bit like affiliate revenue share, you know your liability based on losses generated. It's one of my big projects for January to come up with some kind of system perhaps hooked into points... Along with some kind of straight cashback percentage, a bit like No deposit casino (Who I admire)

Another thing were doing is copying an idea from the payday loans sector: have a bonus crafter where on one end it's all free spins and on the other it's no free spins and all matched deposit bonuses, with at least 20 variants in between. The bonus crafter generates a bonus code, which will hopefully be the right mix of free spins and matched bonus for you. The idea is to give people choice.

But, it doesn't get away from the root issue which is hopeful rise of cashback/the slow death of bonuses. I think a lot of casinos are either afraid to give it a go or don't have the right systems in place to make the whole process smooth. For example if you're a large operator, these kind of changes are risky. Because you get fired for failure and don't get rewarded for achievement and if you're already making money, why do anything different?

On top of the 'Meh' attitude I've seen from big operators, there's also technical debt and the resulting fragile infrastructures that could easily be broken if you try creating a whole new bonus structure within an ageing system. As somebody who has worked within a couple of large operators, the usual process is:
> 'I've got a big idea'
> put the business case together
> come up with some random numbers because you have no hard data
> pitch the idea in
> get buy in from executives, because good ideas are good
> everything grinds to a halt when it hits the technology team, because they are firefighting some issue that loses them cash/potentially get them fired instead of maybe helping the overall business

That's why brands like Casumo and Videoslots Slotsmillions, Leo Vegas are so good, because they have less to lose and have a culture that is built around customer experience and giving it a go. And knowing several of the founders/CEOs of these brands, I know they feel the same as me about the dangers of that corporate 'Meh' attitude.

For smaller operators like me, I'm anchored into the white label software I use. So, if I come up with a big idea it has to be taken on board, developed and robust enough so they can potentially work across a whole network of sites. In turn that creates inertia and so potentially good ideas end up going nowhere.

I really hope bonuses are on their way out, but since bonuses largely appeal to 'noobs' who don't understand the consequences of the terms and conditions they sign up to and since churn rates are always so high for casinos, I think most brands will stick to trying to appeal to 'fresh meat'. A good example would be the way bet365 have blanked casinomeister, because obviously they believe that experienced gamblers like the people here are not a big enough block of customers to seriously engage with. Not good in my opinion, because beginners become experienced over time.

Final thoughts: there's no such thing as a free lunch. If you're a smart gambler, you won't take a bonus, because the odds will be stacked against you. Bring on cashback.

Hi interesting post thanks for that ... i think some here would take the "smart gambler" ... "noob" comments as a bit of an insult as I know a few people here who only play on bonuses or as much as they can and seem happy with that. But that aside I agree with pretty much all you said especially the part of the odds stacked against you. Which soon as you step into a casino either online or off , they are.

I learned through many years of online gambling (and folly) to ditch the bonuses as it was a false economy. Sure you get a bigger starting balance but in the end so often the play through requirements finsih you off. Rather if I want a bonus - with no strings - I just double my deposit (which I did at VS yesterday with bad results ha )

Cash back and other insentives are the way forward to gain loyal customers rather than the hit and run type. Good example is my play at Video Slots, they have one of the most advanced systems for inbuilt player rewards, which took me some time to get used to. But win or loose I am compensated each week, as I will be next week. It keeps me playing there, and lessens the pain of a heavy hit (such as last nights disgrace)

But casinos need to combine the above with 1st rate support, super fast cash outs, no long stalling tactics and zero pending periods or the ability to flush. Anything less for me dont work these days. :thumbsup:
 
i think some here would take the "smart gambler" ... "noob" comments as a bit of an insult as I know a few people here who only play on bonuses or as much as they can and seem happy with that

When I talk about a Noob, I mean the kind of person who has no idea that there are actually terms and conditions which control their play. These are the kind of people who watch a TV ad, bump around and take the bonus money, play a few games, maybe win and scream bitterly when they're told they can't withdraw their cash.

On the theme of withdrawing cash, I was talking with my affiliate manager about bonuses and he likes them because they hook people into the system for longer and act as a barrier to exit for withdrawals. My view: no one likes to be held against their wishes. Give people the freedom to come and go as they please and if were their favourite casino, they will come back to us and love us even more. That's why I really want to get on with offering cashback as soon as possible.

I think we'll be looking at 15% cashback to start with. At this percentage, we can also offer some reload bonuses. Once the technologists finally sort out the bonus system where we can identify users who want bonuses but don't accept cashback and conversely those who accept cashback and don't want bonuses, we could then raise cashback up to about 25% - or even higher. The idea would be to give cashback on a weekly cycle.

And from a risk management point of view...yes people might just withdraw the cash never come back, but if were their best option, then this freedom to come and go will just build great relationships with our customers.

Also, cashback is great from an accounting point of view because a customer's losses are our revenues and all were doing is giving a percentage of revenues back in this way, rather than in bonus costs. Also with cashback, we wouldn't incur game providers fees on bonus game play which come to about 5% of gross revenue - and that's money we can give back to customers.
 
When I talk about a Noob, I mean the kind of person who has no idea that there are actually terms and conditions which control their play. These are the kind of people who watch a TV ad, bump around and take the bonus money, play a few games, maybe win and scream bitterly when they're told they can't withdraw their cash.

On the theme of withdrawing cash, I was talking with my affiliate manager about bonuses and he likes them because they hook people into the system for longer and act as a barrier to exit for withdrawals. My view: no one likes to be held against their wishes. Give people the freedom to come and go as they please and if were their favourite casino, they will come back to us and love us even more. That's why I really want to get on with offering cashback as soon as possible.

I think we'll be looking at 15% cashback to start with. At this percentage, we can also offer some reload bonuses. Once the technologists finally sort out the bonus system where we can identify users who want bonuses but don't accept cashback and conversely those who accept cashback and don't want bonuses, we could then raise cashback up to about 25% - or even higher. The idea would be to give cashback on a weekly cycle.

And from a risk management point of view...yes people might just withdraw the cash never come back, but if were their best option, then this freedom to come and go will just build great relationships with our customers.

Also, cashback is great from an accounting point of view because a customer's losses are our revenues and all were doing is giving a percentage of revenues back in this way, rather than in bonus costs. Also with cashback, we wouldn't incur game providers fees on bonus game play which come to about 5% of gross revenue - and that's money we can give back to customers.


Sounds okay in theory and it can and does work when the casino is wanting to take the "Long term" view for player retention and not the short term hit and run type.

Video slots cash back I have never withdrawn ever and it comes wager free. So i always play it through and its part of the reason I stay loyal win or loose. And sure sometimes I have won pretty big on my cash back there. Its also about trying to ensure a player remains somewhat happy no matter what. The amount of casinos I dumped because the pending period was too long - I have lost count of . And sure with long long reverse periods you will get some who reverse - which is good for the casino but does that help retain more players ? I would say not.

Interesting what you shared from your affiliate manager ... but no surprises there. It is a business after all.
 
I'm not a big fan of most cashback offers. I need to lose in order to get cashback, and if I do get lucky and withdraw, I have a period where I won't receive cashback until I'm in a losing position over whatever x period of time they work on.

Videoslots cashback is really loyalty based on play. It's often good sessions that lead to higher "cashback", or a session where I might deposit $100, get it up to $1000 and play it back with some up and down along the way over several hours.

Casinos that offer a comp point (or loyalty point) systems are much more attractive to me that the "get 15% of your losses back".
 
I don't know if anyone's mentioned the elephant in the room yet, the fat affiliate bounties of up to 40% lifetime player losses handed over by the casinos? No wonder the player bonuses are crap with these sort of expenses!

Just think what bonuses us players might get otherwise... I think it's time for a fairer split, its us that are funding all this, and neither the affiliates or casinos would be in business without us.

I will never sign up to a casino under anyone's affiliate link just out of principle, these days.
 
I don't know if anyone's mentioned the elephant in the room yet, the fat affiliate bounties of up to 40% lifetime player losses handed over by the casinos? No wonder the player bonuses are crap with these sort of expenses!

Just think what bonuses us players might get otherwise... I think it's time for a fairer split, its us that are funding all this, and neither the affiliates or casinos would be in business without us.

I will never sign up to a casino under anyone's affiliate link just out of principle, these days.

I'm pretty much sure you are not being offered more if you don't sign up through an affiliate though.

I know I specifically asked about this at least once in private with a rep.

So I never sign up from spam, always either CM or one of the many fine affiliates that make this place great and contribute.

I will NOT reward spammers with my losses though. I'll clear cache and cookies and usually the same offers are elsewhere.
 
I'm pretty much sure you are not being offered more if you don't sign up through an affiliate though.

I know I specifically asked about this at least once in private with a rep.

So I never sign up from spam, always either CM or one of the many fine affiliates that make this place great and contribute.

I will NOT reward spammers with my losses though. I'll clear cache and cookies and usually the same offers are elsewhere.

I think the point that slot_zombie is making is that, if the casinos weren't paying out to up to 40% to affiliates, then there'd be more in the kitty to give bigger and better bonuses to players.

I've only ever signed up through 2 affiliate links, and they were both Casinomeister links, just to do my bit to help fund the site.

There's no way I'd want my money (or at least what was once my money), going to someone who's thrown a website together, just in order to profit from someone else's losses
 
I don't know if anyone's mentioned the elephant in the room yet, the fat affiliate bounties of up to 40% lifetime player losses handed over by the casinos? No wonder the player bonuses are crap with these sort of expenses!

Just think what bonuses us players might get otherwise... I think it's time for a fairer split, its us that are funding all this, and neither the affiliates or casinos would be in business without us.

I will never sign up to a casino under anyone's affiliate link just out of principle, these days.

It's actually up to 45% or even 50% in some cases.

What you forget is that firstly you get special affiliate-tailored deals quite often that award better bonuses than just finding the site. Then you'll be paying somebody else anyway if you don't use the affy links, namely Google quite often. (I pay my taxes, Google tries to avoid them!)

The affiliates earning 45% will usually be the large ones that have had sufficient acquisitions to reach that tier, or maybe have had one or two high-rollers if that tier is cash-triggered.

The most important point here is the bonuses - quite ironic in the context of what you stated above! This is because the affiliate pays for them mostly, NOT the casino! I'll give you two examples. Say Trada where you used to get the bonus as cash feed-in via £2 increments. Those £2's come off of your gross earnings, so if a player makes a dipper of say £100 and makes it last any length of time, after bonus deductions and 'fees' you'd be lucky to see 8 or 10 quid.

Secondly, say I have a gross deposit from a player of £500. The player LOSES it all so you think I've made £125 (25%)? WRONG! The 50% bonus is played, so that's now £250. The affiliate software 'fees' or 'local taxes' will skim about another £50+. My net player income will now be less than £200, of which I'll get 25% so £45-48 or something similar. So yes, the player lost £500, but I'd be lucky on most programs to see 10-16% of it. Then I pay 20% tax on my take-home, or if registered as a business 18%. I have recruited 10-20 players monthly on some casinos, and yet if 90% just visit to take the (Coral for example) 'Deposit £10 play with £60' offers you'll end up with about £1.60 for each ASSUMING they all lose!

So yes, I have felt the same as you especially after losing a ton, bitter that somebody has just made £40 from my loss for 'doing nothing'. How wrong I was now I understand how it all works!

So the fact that much of the casino traffic comes via affiliates is actually BENEFICIAL to the player as the casino pays bonuses from affiliate earnings rather than themselves. Whether it's Google, advertising, marketing companies or affiliates the casino is always paying money out other than to players.

I think some people believe affiliates simply sling a page up then we sit here scratching our scrotums (our own, not each others!) while money falls in our laps.
 
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