The Playboy Casino Pornography Poll

[swampwitch]

OK, enough of the snark.

Get real, people...Playboy IS in the pornography business. Playboy owns several TV and online PORN channels. Porn, as in explicit X-rated content. Porn, as in head-on turgid, fetish, the ever classy "milf" content. And porn, as in "Let's see how close to 14 we can make this barely 18 year old look while she's simultaneously licking a giant lollipop while servicing her step-father.".

What I suspect some of you are really defending is the old image of Playboy. Smoking jackets, hi-fi's, martinis, orange shag carpeting, feather boas, Barbie Benton, Hef. Articles by Gore Vidal and fiction by Norman Mailer.

Sorry, but Playboy is a porn empire now, more so than Hustler ever was. Difference is, Larry Flynt was at least always honest about it.
Trezz did his homework, and he's living by his ethics. Good for him. There are actually webmasters among us who want to promote gambling, and leave porn promotion to others.

I won't be promoting Playboy...The Bodog Girls annoy me enough.

 

[Simmo!]

OK, enough of the snark.

Get real, people...Playboy IS in the pornography business. Playboy owns several TV and online PORN channels. Porn, as in explicit X-rated content. Porn, as in head-on turgid, fetish, the ever classy "milf" content. And porn, as in "Let's see how close to 14 we can make this barely 18 year old look while she's simultaneously licking a giant lollipop while servicing her step-father.".

What I suspect some of you are really defending is the old image of Playboy. Smoking jackets, hi-fi's, martinis, orange shag carpeting, feather boas, Barbie Benton, Hef. Articles by Gore Vidal and fiction by Norman Mailer.

Sorry, but Playboy is a porn empire now, more so than Hustler ever was. Difference is, Larry Flynt was at least always honest about it.
Trezz did his homework, and he's living by his ethics. Good for him. There are actually webmasters among us who want to promote gambling, and leave porn promotion to others.

I won't be promoting Playboy...The Bodog Girls annoy me enough.

But the issue is not Playboy itself but Playboy Casino - all that is effectively is a paid-up licence to use the name and include nudey shots. Actually I recently received a comp of Playboy Magazine and it was possibly the softtest adult mag I've ever seen. A quick flick (through the mag!) and it went in the bin. Booo

I agree with you about the 18-look-like-14 thing. I think that's quite wrong. I remember when Britney's "Baby Hit me..." video came out. I have to admit - and I'm no prude, far from it - I was shocked at the message I thought that was sending out. Couldn't believe I was watching it on prime time.

 

[swampwitch]

But the issue is not Playboy itself but Playboy Casino - all that is effectively is a paid-up licence to use the name and include nudey shots.

On the surface, innocent enough. But still, isn't there at least a little bit of an ick factor thinking about a hundred year old guy with 5 blond girlfriends in peignoirs force feeding him little blue pills and Metamucil? Is this really sexy? Classy? Worth the license fee?

What this industry lacks...besides actual real ethics...is imagination.
Boobies boobies boobies. Boobies sell. Way to use that 90 year old strategy! Must have a degree in marketing! Gosh, color me impressed.

 

[Simmo!]

But still, isn't there at least a little bit of an ick factor thinking about a hundred year old guy with 5 blond girlfriends in peignoirs force feeding him little blue pills and Metamucil?

Gotta be honest and say its not an image that goes through my mind when I'm playing slots Well, until now anyway

 

[swampwitch]

Gotta be honest and say its not an image that goes through my mind when I'm playing slots Well, until now anyway

My work here is done....

 

[Simmo!]

My work here is done....

Hmm...we need a "Thanks For Nothing" button SwampBitch

 

[Pinababy69]

My work here is done....

Classic Swamp.

Hmm...we need a "Thanks For Nothing" button SwampBitch

Isn't she something Simmo? One of my mentors.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

PLAY STRIP POKER W/PLAYMATES INVITE

. The Palms invited me to a party at the Mansion on March 18,2006. Vegas to LA with a guest reception at the Roosevelt Hotel and then party at the Mansion with all guests to receive smoking jackets. I missed the probably once in a lifetime opportunity so I can only imagine but I did frame the invitation. (Maybe I will take a pic and post the invitation as a screenshot). Was very surprised at the invite as I had only set foot in The Palms once and only gambled for about an hour and left. I would not even give them my name and told them to quit asking. Eventually, I had 4 splits with 3 doubles in BJ where I had to pull out the amount of cash (to cover bets) that the casinos require an ID by law. Never spoke to or heard from any host but still get some invites like shopping sprees, etc. but nothing close to my missed opportunity.

Not the mansion, but next best thing I guess. Ironically, got this invite in mail this morning. I better get off my rear and go pretend I know how to play poker.(NPI)......................The epitome of marketing sex to get into my wallet. THE NERVE OF THESE PEOPLE

 

[Swede]

I think Europeans are way more open minded. Our bodies are a natural thing and shouldnt be looked at as dirty. We all have the same parts, just different sizes ( I got lucky with my husband's size, hehe)

This calls for another pole!

 

[EasyRhino]

$10k?!?!

Bullseye

Oh wait, depending on casino policy, this may have been below $3k. But still. Dang.

And Nash, that seems like an awesome promo from the Palms. Free buy-in? Playmates? I gotta see if I can ingratiate myself with those guys!

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Oh wait, depending on casino policy, this may have been below $3k. But still. Dang.

And Nash, that seems like an awesome promo from the Palms. Free buy-in? Playmates? I gotta see if I can ingratiate myself with those guys!

Legally in Nevada, you never have to provide a casino an ID. However, cause and effect can determine whether one choses to provide the casino ID....i.e. no ID, no credit line.............your original # was correct in all my experiences and it is the threshold where the law applies, that being said I assume any casino can have their own policy requiring ID but it may be mutually exclusive of the law........... ID's are a different issue for advantage gamblers and there are legal ways to not provide your own ID in Vegas iirc.........need to cease so I do not derail this stimulating thread

 

[rowmare]

I don't really have much of an opinion regarding Playboy Casino. It is what it is, I don't have to go there if I don't like it. If that's your thing and you want to promote it, then fill yer boots.

Just to be a devil's advocate, though, the very definition of pornography is any picture, video, etc., whose intent is to cause sexual arousal. Therefore, IMHO, the only true answer to the poll, for those in favor of it, is "pornography but acceptable".

I vote that all women everywhere start going topless, so these poor men can get over the boobie thing once and for all.

 

[paul02085]

What I find most inteersting about the poll so far is that about 1 in 5 people view nudity as pornography.

Thats from 40 years of being told that by feminists in the US.

 

[Vesuvio]

What I find most inteersting about the poll so far is that about 1 in 5 people view nudity as pornography.

Only nudity that's intended to "arouse" the viewers Playboy casino has the softest of soft porn, but it's still porn. Note that voting for that isn't the same as saying there's anything wrong with it

As Rowmare said a couple of posts up... Note to self: "must read before posting..."

 

[tennis_balls]

Just to be a devil's advocate, though, the very definition of pornography is any picture, video, etc., whose intent is to cause sexual arousal. Therefore, IMHO, the only true answer to the poll, for those in favor of it, is "pornography but acceptable".

from wikipedia:

"In general, "erotica" refers to portrayals of sexually arousing material that hold or aspire to artistic or historical merit, whereas "pornography" often connotes the prurient depiction of sexual acts, with little or no artistic value. The line between "erotica" and the term "pornography" (which is frequently considered a pejorative term) is often highly subjective. In practice, pornography can be defined merely as erotica that certain people perceive as "obscene." The definition of what one considers obscene can differ between persons, cultures and eras."

IMHO the bunnies hold historical merit therefore they are erotica rather than porn.

 

[Simmo!]

Only nudity that's intended to "arouse" the viewers Playboy casino has the softest of soft porn, but it's still porn. Note that voting for that isn't the same as saying there's anything wrong with it...

IMHO the bunnies hold historical merit therefore they are erotica rather than porn.

There's an intersting observation in the latter, in that over the past few decades since Playboy started, public views on/acceptance of nudity and sexual content has been diluted. What one would have called porn in the 60's may be very different to today, and probably again in another 20+ years.

What was probably considered porn wayback, is considered less so in this day and age and less so in the future. This poll 20 years ago would have shown a very different result I'm sure. Where TV obviously diluted the effect during the 70s and 80s, I guess the Internet has a huge say in the attitude in more recent times.

 

[Vesuvio]

from wikipedia:

"In general, "erotica" refers to portrayals of sexually arousing material that hold or aspire to artistic or historical merit, whereas "pornography" often connotes the prurient depiction of sexual acts, with little or no artistic value. The line between "erotica" and the term "pornography" (which is frequently considered a pejorative term) is often highly subjective. In practice, pornography can be defined merely as erotica that certain people perceive as "obscene." The definition of what one considers obscene can differ between persons, cultures and eras."

IMHO the bunnies hold historical merit therefore they are erotica rather than porn.

I guess it all just adds up to there being no real definition! The naked women at the casino aren't bunnies, just nondescript naked women, and they certainly don't have any artistic or historical merit

For me, "pornography" isn't pejorative. I've also seen elsewhere that "obscenity" is often a legal concept for what's considered unacceptable by law - so I don't think "obscene erotica" is a good definition.

I like the Greek origins of "pornography" - "writing about prostitutes"

 

[jetset]

Good find, T_B - a useful addition to the argument.

I think public morality changes with the times, as Simmo suggests and as Vesuvio references in the Greek definition of pornography. Some of the statuary and graphics from ancient Roman times would suggest that erotica/pornography or just plain naughty artwork and copy is not a modern phenomenon....and some cultures are obviously more open to discussion and display than others.

For me, this thread represents a microcosm of just how subjective opinions and even definitions can be...and the point is well made that an all-embracing description of "pornography" is difficult to apply to the different shades of erotica and sexuality seen by others.

The issue is clouded by what I see as a generally negative or uncomfortable perception that the word "pornography" tends to conjure up in many people, and the fact that even over the span of fifty or sixty years there has been such a dramatic change in how the public at large sees nudity, sexuality, erotica and what is acceptable or not.

Highly graphic, penetrative, zoom-in and/or kinky (a word that means different things to different people, too) sex and who (or what) is engaged in it have many permutations, and opinions of those acts will differ widely.

I think it's safe to say that most folks view the molestation of minors; injurious, coercive and violent sex and bestiality as way beyond the pale, but by today's standards more *conventional* (if I dare use that word) encounters can provoke lots of debate and exchanges of opinion as to whether it is hardcore, soft porn, erotica, artistic expression or something else.

I still don't personally regard Playboy Gaming as pornographic, though!