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if u russan investor u get free citizenship on malta as longest u invest google it u see all
https://sigma.com.mt/news/the-russian-maltese-connection-2/

Yes, that's known thing long time ago. Was just more curious about statement that 99% of casinos are owned or controlled by mafia, even you would categorized all Russian people be connected to mafia which is quite strong statement, it's still quite long way to 99% of casinos run by mafia.

If going through ownerships of these companies, all names to be connected to mafia is quite a news.
 

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Yes, that's known thing long time ago. Was just more curious about statement that 99% of casinos are owned or controlled by mafia, even you would categorized all Russian people be connected to mafia which is quite strong statement, it's still quite long way to 99% of casinos run by mafia.

If going through ownerships of these companies, all names to be connected to mafia is quite a news.
what u accept Queen of Uk to open casino lol
 

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Mafia wouldn't want to draw attention to themselves by trying to infiltrate every casino. That's just going to attract 'heat from the cops' [to paraphrase need for speed].

It would be interesting to find out how many gambling licences had been revoked by the MGA and UKGC over the years due to a person connected to the business being viewed as unfit or serious concerns over the origins of the finance to create the business. You'd expect a few to happen from time to time.
 
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Don’t you think that in order to make all these 10k Cashouts he should first deposit ???
That was never the issue.

Playford7 said he had played for over 10 years, and his cashouts were over 10k. You were the one who linked that statement to responsible gambling, by the 'you've played well over 10k' comment.

A low roller could have deposited 20GBP a week for 10 years, and would have 'played well over 10k', which means that they should also be 'investigated' by the casino and issued with a SOW, according to your parameters.

Oh wait...I haven't read every single post, so I haven't the right to comment. :rolleyes:
 

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Mafia wouldn't want to draw attention to themselves by trying to infiltrate every casino. That's just going to attract 'heat from the cops' [to paraphrase need for speed].

It would be interesting to find out how many gambling licences had been revoked by the MGA and UKGC over the years due to a person connected to the business being viewed as unfit or serious concerns over the origins of the finance to create the business. You'd expect a few to happen from time to time.
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what u accept Queen of Uk to open casino lol

Not about me accepting something or not, was just wondering statement about 99% of mafia as haven't been able to find any information nearby that so therefore asked some source for that but did only receive many year old article about Malta providing passports for investors :(
 

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Not about me accepting something or not, was just wondering statement about 99% of mafia as haven't been able to find any information nearby that so therefore asked some source for that but did only receive many year old article about Malta providing passports for investors :(
what makes u proof they not? or you saying them not without proof? that what I believe coz I was on malta many times a lot of news on google so on? if you have proof they not than proof it
 

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what makes u proof they not? or you saying them not without proof? that what I believe coz I was on malta many times a lot of news on google so on? if you have proof they not than proof it
Its almost impossible to prove a negative. You stated 99%, so you show some evidence? Or are you saying Videoslots, Casumo, L&L, LegoVegas etc are all owned by mobsters?
 

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what makes u proof they not? or you saying them not without proof? that what I believe coz I was on malta many times a lot of news on google so on? if you have proof they not than proof it

That's quite of impossible to proof that some people are not part of mafia, i have no proof of it.

You stated that 99% of Maltese casinos are connected with mafia so you for sure have proof of that these all people who are listed to be owners of these casinos are connected to mafia, would be just interested to know these all people connections.

So basically what you said was BS and based that you have been in Malta and was able to google lot of news :eek2:
 

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That's quite of impossible to proof that some people are not part of mafia, i have no proof of it.

You stated that 99% of Maltese casinos are connected with mafia so you for sure have proof of that these all people who are listed to be owners of these casinos are connected to mafia, would be just interested to know these all people connections.

So basically what you said was BS and based that you have been in Malta and was able to google lot of news :eek2:
so who do you accept a country like Russia in the last 20 years they have over 2000 self-made bilioners before that they had none? all from corruption and organized crime, Cypres made deal with russa if they invest they get citizenship, Cypres economy and tax haven boom in a very short period, malta did same deal in 2016 than malt economy boom in 2016 over 300 casinos got to register on malta with only half million of population, based on media 99% of loundering money when to malta, you can call it as you wish BS,if u dont agree don't need to replay, just stop and think way no one invest on Gibraltar or Islan of man? way malta? way malta had no casinos even 50 casinos online before 2016? but after a deal for free citizenship with Russia to give access to European market 330 casinos open
 

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so who do you accept a country like Russia in the last 20 years they have over 2000 self-made bilioners before that they had none? all from corruption and organized crime, Cypres made deal with russa if they invest they get citizenship, Cypres economy and tax haven boom in a very short period, malta did same deal in 2016 than malt economy boom in 2016 over 300 casinos got to register on malta with only half million of population, based on media 99% of loundering money when to malta, you can call it as you wish BS,if u dont agree don't need to replay, just stop and think way no one invest on Gibraltar or Islan of man? way malta? way malta had no casinos even 50 casinos online before 2016? but after a deal for free citizenship with Russia to give access to European market 330 casinos open
Rubbish, you don't know what you are talking about. From the MGA 2015 report

https://www.mga.org.mt/wp-content/uploads/MGA-Annual-Report-2015-Spreads.pdf
The number of remote gaming licences has grown significantly over the years reaching a total number of 490 at the end of 2015.

With regard to remote gaming, the total number of licences reached 490 held by 269 companies as at the end of 2015. The main increases were registered in Class 4 and Class 1 categories, which grew by 17% and 8% respectively, when compared to 2014.

So again, which casinos are operated by organised crime groups? Just name say 10 of them?
 

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Back on topic, the latest is my account has been locked/suspended 'for security reasons'. Must be all that smack I sold 3 years ago that came with no paper trail and funded those older deposits. :rolleyes:

Guilty until I prove myself innocent, which I can't be assed with. I don't want to be a member of a casino that approves 2 SoW's, an affordability check then moves the goalposts a few weeks later to go back 3 years. Sheer incompetence and illogicality. This is probably due to the fine they got, so tidying up old loose ends. Who knows. Who cares.

That's me done with MGA sites.
 

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Back on topic, the latest is my account has been locked/suspended 'for security reasons'. Must be all that smack I sold 3 years ago that came with no paper trail and funded those older deposits. :rolleyes:

Guilty until I prove myself innocent, which I can't be assed with. I don't want to be a member of a casino that approves 2 SoW's, an affordability check then moves the goalposts a few weeks later to go back 3 years. Sheer incompetence and illogicality. This is probably due to the fine they got, so tidying up old loose ends. Who knows. Who cares.

That's me done with MGA sites.

At this point I feel it would be easier for some of these MGA casinos to just pull completely out of the UK market to save on all the acrimony.

It's funny how these MGA casinos seem to kick up all this fuss yet UK facing casinos just get on with it, apply common sense and use the easiest methods of verification.

More and more of the UK casinos are acquiring Play n Go now which means it's no great loss to me if these MGA clip joints disappear from our shores.
 

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At this point I feel it would be easier for some of these MGA casinos to just pull completely out of the UK market to save on all the acrimony.

It's funny how these MGA casinos seem to kick up all this fuss yet UK facing casinos just get on with it, apply common sense and use the easiest methods of verification.

More and more of the UK casinos are acquiring Play n Go now which means it's no great loss to me if these MGA clip joints disappear from our shores.
Totally agree.
Never found the fascination with the Maltese mafia lot of casinos. Even the best of them turn rogue at some point.
Never had a single issue with any big uk bookies, thousands and thousands over the years deposited and withdrew.
Yes the MGA lot offer good bonuses (or used to) however they where littered with terms that meant cashouts where almost impossible.
Not overly fussed about the likes of play and go and there dodgy choose your own RTP, happy with netent and micro gaming tbh nowadays, BTG are crap and same for blueprint and the fobty designed megaways.
Give me a solid site with a good sports book and DOA and we are good to go.
 

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At this point I feel it would be easier for some of these MGA casinos to just pull completely out of the UK market to save on all the acrimony.

It's funny how these MGA casinos seem to kick up all this fuss yet UK facing casinos just get on with it, apply common sense and use the easiest methods of verification.

More and more of the UK casinos are acquiring Play n Go now which means it's no great loss to me if these MGA clip joints disappear from our shores.

Might be different for people living in the Uk, but for me, William hill is the only site ive not managed to verify my account on.
Somehow documents that were good enough for every other casino in existence did not work when used on WH.
Got the old "send a selfie holding paper a´+b etc"
And even when i tried being a good boy jumping thru all the hoops they kept finding errors.
"That paper has to be printed in color"
"your thumb covers a word on picture 37-a"

And maybe the best one, "That does not look like you" (it was me)

And all while this was going on, withdrawals were locked.
Want to guess if deposits were locked? :)

And their support is by faaaaar the worst i have ever had to deal with. (And ive talked with support on a bunch of sites)

Slow to answer. Rude. Giving wrong answers ie not knowing their stuff.
One person okaying a document only for the next person to deny it.

Ended up not being able to verify and closed my account.
Atleast they sent my withdrawal before they locked withdrawals for me.
I was under the impression the withdrawal would be sent first after i had managed to verify my account, wich was the only reason i went along with their crazy demands in the first place.

1.5/10 Honeyjars.
 

mack341

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Might be different for people living in the Uk, but for me, William hill is the only site ive not managed to verify my account on.
Somehow documents that were good enough for every other casino in existence did not work when used on WH.
Got the old "send a selfie holding paper a´+b etc"
And even when i tried being a good boy jumping thru all the hoops they kept finding errors.
"That paper has to be printed in color"
"your thumb covers a word on picture 37-a"

And maybe the best one, "That does not look like you" (it was me)

And all while this was going on, withdrawals were locked.
Want to guess if deposits were locked? :)

And their support is by faaaaar the worst i have ever had to deal with. (And ive talked with support on a bunch of sites)

Slow to answer. Rude. Giving wrong answers ie not knowing their stuff.
One person okaying a document only for the next person to deny it.

Ended up not being able to verify and closed my account.
Atleast they sent my withdrawal before they locked withdrawals for me.
I was under the impression the withdrawal would be sent first after i had managed to verify my account, wich was the only reason i went along with their crazy demands in the first place.

1.5/10 Honeyjars.

Yes Will Hill are good as long as you never have to contact their customer support team, if you do you'll wish you were in another galaxy, far far away! Also verification, it could be easier for us brits as they can use the electoral roll and credit agencies, not sure they're plumbed in so well in sweden to do automated checks.

I bet you had your eye on their DOA/2 slots!.... they've got no Hoff or bride game yet though :p
 

Kroffe

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Yes Will Hill are good as long as you never have to contact their customer support team, if you do you'll wish you were in another galaxy, far far away! Also verification, it could be easier for us brits as they can use the electoral roll and credit agencies, not sure they're plumbed in so well in sweden to do automated checks.

I bet you had your eye on their DOA/2 slots!.... they've got no Hoff or bride game yet though :p

This was some time ago, before the Swedish license.
I think they have aquired one, but have not bothered to visit the site again.

They actually had pretty nice bonuses once in a while, both no-deposit ones, and for depositors.

But as you say, the support was a joke.
Just had me sitting at the computer like:
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mack341

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Some of these casinos seem to get paranoid, I remember once quipping to the will hill support that I wish my luck would improve, the lady said nothing to me, but when I attempted to log back in my account was frozen.

My joke was seen as potential evidence of a gambling problem, even though I'd only lost £10 doing 30p spins, they sorted it out quick enough but it made me think they're a queer bunch [old meaning] and could cause needless problems if given half a chance.

In my mad way I thought you could just join the uk website one :rolleyes: as your english is as good if not better than many of us natives :thumbsup:
 
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so who do you accept a country like Russia in the last 20 years they have over 2000 self-made bilioners before that they had none? all from corruption and organized crime, Cypres made deal with russa if they invest they get citizenship, Cypres economy and tax haven boom in a very short period, malta did same deal in 2016 than malt economy boom in 2016 over 300 casinos got to register on malta with only half million of population, based on media 99% of loundering money when to malta, you can call it as you wish BS,if u dont agree don't need to replay, just stop and think way no one invest on Gibraltar or Islan of man? way malta? way malta had no casinos even 50 casinos online before 2016? but after a deal for free citizenship with Russia to give access to European market 330 casinos open

It is true that some part of iGaming is controlled by Ukrainians (Vulkan/Vulcan), Russians and Georgians (BetConstruct) - won't say any more names - which are connected to dubious circles. The impression is reinforced by the fact that most aggregators offering fake games (Novo, NetEnt, PnG etc) do come from Georgia and Russia.

However, the real mafia tends to stay away from businesses where a clear "paper" or digital trail (which online casinos automatically have) makes it difficult to launder the illegal proceeds. Hence, they focus more on land-based gambling houses, e.g. the vast majority of Spielotheken in Germany is controlled by Ukrainians, some reports say over 90%. You've got 1000s of those spread throughout the country and walking in with illegal cash into one and "lose" it is much easier than laundering it through an online casino.

Where the mafia is setting up an online casino (mostly in former Eastern Bloc countries) it is for one reason only and that is to have a legit appearance. They might even run it perfectly legal and ethical, just to keep the facade intact. VulkanBet Germany is a perfect example.

The vast majority of online casinos registered in Malta are run by Swedes. Why Malta? At the time when the online gaming frenzy took off, it needed an environment with little regulation and low taxes. Hence, Malta was discovered to be on the map of this planet. The Swedes especially liked it because of the weather. :D Why Swedes? They are gambling-crazy, just like the Finns and Norwegians. :D

A good part of the MGA operators is listed on the Stockholm Stock Exchange - LeoVegas, NetEnt, etc. I have been reading business reports and watching report presentations for years, but to this day have yet to find even a hint of "mafia" being involved in those companies.
 
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mack341

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It is true that some part of iGaming is controlled by Ukrainians (Vulkan/Vulcan), Russians and Georgians (BetConstruct) - won't say any more names - which are connected to dubious circles. The impression is reinforced by the fact that most aggregators offering fake games (Novo, NetEnt, PnG etc) do come from Georgia and Russia.

However, the real mafia tends to stay away from businesses where a clear "paper" or digital trail (which online casinos automatically have) makes it difficult to launder the illegal proceeds. Hence, they focus more on land-based gambling houses, e.g. the vast majority of Spielotheken in Germany is controlled by Ukrainians, some reports say over 90%. You've got 1000s of those spread throughout the country and walking in with illegal cash into one and "lose" it is much easier than laundering it through an online casino.

Where the mafia is setting up an online casino (mostly in former Eastern Bloc countries) it for one reason only and that is to have a legit appearance. They might even run it perfectly legal and ethical, just to keep the facade intact. VulkanBet Germany is a perfect example.

The vast majority of online casinos registered in Malta are run by Swedes. Why Malta? At the time when the online gaming frenzy took off, it needed an environment with little regulation and low taxes. Hence, Malta was discovered to be on the map of this planet. The Swedes especially liked it because of the weather. :D Why Swedes? They are gambling-crazy, just like the Finns and Norwegians. :D

A good part of the MGA operators is listed on the Stockholm Stock Exchange - LeoVegas, NetEnt, etc. I have been reading business reports and watching report presentations for years, but to this day have yet to find even a hint of "mafia" being involved in those companies.

Harry do you have a rough idea how many MGA licensed casinos are out there, a ball park figure?

I don't think those big companies would have any mafia links either

Edit: remember also malta was part of the british empire till the 1960s, so the english language is imbedded there, the laws and systems to some degree, which would attract foreign investors and businesses.
 
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