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the Fortune lounge switch

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by scrollock, Mar 15, 2005.

    Mar 15, 2005
  1. scrollock

    scrollock Senior Member

    Occupation:
    google
    Location:
    boro, uk
    playing atlantic city at royal vegas

    played 368 hands @ $1 result -$80

    changed to vegas strip at royal vegas

    played 80 hands @ $1 result -$47

    had $30 in platinum play, so decided to play there out of interest

    all gone in 57 hands

    total result 505 hands played @ $1 each for a total loss of $157

    can someone please let me know, when they take the swich off please?
     
  2. Mar 15, 2005
  3. scrollock

    scrollock Senior Member

    Occupation:
    google
    Location:
    boro, uk
    lol, i couldnt resist, just went back in, lost 18 hands out of 20

    thing i have noticed, over the 500 hands i have played so far, i have busted every single one where i have had 12-16 total
     
  4. Mar 15, 2005
  5. scrollock

    scrollock Senior Member

    Occupation:
    google
    Location:
    boro, uk
    just changed games again

    played 12 hands, lost 11 !!!!!!!!
     
  6. Mar 15, 2005
  7. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    This is Blackjack. The switch never goes 'off'.
    Take my advice - try a different game! ;)
     
  8. Mar 15, 2005
  9. caruso

    caruso Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

    Occupation:
    Casino apologist
    Location:
    England
    No, but someone can tell you how ridiculous a result that is: 5.9 SDs.

    I would be VERY interested to see your playcheck records for this. If you wouldn't mind, please either paste them into this thread or email them to me directly.
     
  10. Mar 15, 2005
  11. eek

    eek Dormant account

    5.9 sd

    around 1 in 545,957,305

    kewl. :thumbsup:
     
  12. Mar 15, 2005
  13. Macgyver

    Macgyver Dormant account PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    North Carolina
    Pardon my ignorance, but is the 5.9 SDs in reference to everything played? OK, I see it's in reference to the very first post.

    But how can you figure out standard deviations when it's two different games played?

    That quote you post, caruso, is very confusing and misleading as that's not exactly what he posted. The player played Vegas Strip as well, not just Atlantic City.

    I keep editing this, but he even adds the hands played at Platinum Play into that grand total of 505 hands. Two different casinos, at least two different games, and you can calculate SD? :what:
     
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2005
  14. Mar 15, 2005
  15. caruso

    caruso Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

    Occupation:
    Casino apologist
    Location:
    England
    I'll pardon your ignorance, up to the point you say there's anything "confusing" or "misleading" in my comments, at which point the pardon ceases. Everything you don't understand is confusing. Once understood, the confusion ends.

    I erred on the side of caution, using a generic 0.5% house edge. The house edge on those two games is almost identical, at 0.36%, so the actual SD is marginally higher. I take a guess at pretty much bang on 6. You can tweak to the umpteenth decimal place, but it's of no practical relevance.

    EDIT: Taking into account the lower house edge, that's exactly 6 SDs.

    Of course, with no evidence from the poster it's meaningless. I would LIKE to see the evidence of this claim, because it's about the most outlandish I've ever read regarding Microgaming.
     
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2005
  16. Mar 16, 2005
  17. gfkostas

    gfkostas Ex-Bonus Whore

    Occupation:
    IT
    Location:
    UK
    Couldn't agree more with caruso.Please proceed with evidence otherwise personally i consider the posts almost slanderous.
     
  18. Mar 20, 2005
  19. caruso

    caruso Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

    Occupation:
    Casino apologist
    Location:
    England
    Still waiting for a response from the player on this.
     
  20. Mar 20, 2005
  21. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Location:
    UK
    I think you are making these up or you don't know how to play at all.
     
  22. Mar 20, 2005
  23. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Location:
    UK
    Please get the playcheck logs and email them to This email is not visible to you.
     
  24. Mar 20, 2005
  25. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Mathematician by day, online gambler by night.
    Location:
    UK
    I think you have to do deliberately stupid things like hitting hard 19s and 20s to get this sort of results. I would certainly like to see the Playcheck logs.
     
  26. Mar 20, 2005
  27. gfkostas

    gfkostas Ex-Bonus Whore

    Occupation:
    IT
    Location:
    UK
    My input on this is that he's clearly bullshitting.He could post screenshots easily but am afraid we just wasting our time replying to him folks.
     
  28. Apr 11, 2005
  29. scrollock

    scrollock Senior Member

    Occupation:
    google
    Location:
    boro, uk
    hi since i'm back, can you calculate the SD on this session for me.

    over 5000 hands @ 1 a hand +240

    or to cherry pick the session

    approx 2000 hands @1 a hand +350

    however followed (different casino same group)

    over 156 hands @1 a hand - 87

    admittedly over the long run they all even out, however as each hand is meant to be independent, these long steaks shouldn't happen

    also i should point out, although the hands quoted in my original post were consequetive, they were part of a long session, so the overall SD would be a lot less, but again they are independent i.e. the hands before and after these dont make a difference.

    plus also after making the original posts, i went back in after a couple of hours and won 100 over 500 hands, again at 1 a hand
     
  30. Apr 11, 2005
  31. scrollock

    scrollock Senior Member

    Occupation:
    google
    Location:
    boro, uk
    ive just seen the 2nd page of this thread


    however followed (different casino same group)

    over 156 hands @1 a hand - 87

    have got a screen shot of this one somewhere, cant find the playcheck logs for the others, anyway i will not provide playcheck logs to anyone even if i could as they contain transaction ids and i dont know who i'm giving them to.
     
  32. Apr 11, 2005
  33. thelawnet

    thelawnet Dormant account

    Occupation:
    programmer
    Location:
    UK
    It's pretty easy to work out. If you wanted to find the standard deviation of a sample of two different games you can easily calculate the standard deviation of the whole sample. However, it is not really necessary, as the two games are pretty similar:

    AC bj - 8 decks, late surrender vs Vegas Strip - 4 decks, no surrender.

    You must register/login in order to see the link. shows us the standard deviation of blackjack for various combinations of decks and split rules. Vegas Strip appears to have std deviation of 1.1666, and AC 1.1680. The difference is too small to bother with. Let's take 1.168 to err on the side of safety - this is most favourable to the casino.

    Then the chance of the loss described is given in Excel by:

    =NORMDIST(-157,0-(505*0.00365),SQRT(505)*1.168,TRUE)

    Taking the reciprocal gives us that this is a 590 million to one event. In other words it would be damning if it were true.

    However I do not believe it for a minute. Not a second.

    Too many claims like this come and go without ever being backed up.

    If they were to cheat, they would not do so obviously - they only need about 1.5 sd for people to bust out any of their signup offers, so why would any sane and reputable casino group such as Fortune Lounge want to cheat in such a conspicuous and unbelievable way.

    OP has refused to post playlogs, claiming that transaction IDs could somehow be used against him (how?); even so, you could copy them into a spreadsheet and delete the ID column safely. Looks like hot air to me.
     

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