The Endless Stupidity Of Chasing Progressives

[ChopleyIOM]

I've moved onto the next one, as a multiplication of stake Old Glory is currently a better bet than Penta Pay, with the progressive coming in at 2125x stake as I type this.

I sailed back to the IOM yesterday and had this trundling away on my laptop the whole time (nearly four hours) whilst reading two issues of Private Eye. Well, apart from the bit where the boat's wireless craps out in the middle of the Irish Sea. (Private Eye was unaffected by this.)

I've picked it up again this evening, alas still no progressive but it has managed the second best pay of 400x.

You need to get the sevens in the correct order of Red, White, Blue for 400x. (Any other combo is a measly 25x, 3OAKs of single colours are 50x, 75x and 100x.)

In this example the two Ring of Riches progressive symbols are substituting for the 'best' seven they can, i.e. the red on reel one, the white on reel two, and then I have the actual blue seven on reel three.

The third Ring of Riches symbol on reel three in this scenario would have paid the progressive.

Volatility wise this is a tame game, with lots of small and rather unexciting pays, with only the (very rare!) 400x even remotely entering the realms of the trouser-quivering, and then 100x below that, and down from there.

 

[Video_Poker_Pro]

Maybe i missed it but what are the rtp on the ones you play progressiv?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Maybe i missed it but what are the rtp on the ones you play progressiv?

Old Glory specifically is 95.4% but all the progressives come in around there at 3Dice. (Indeed their entire slots estate is, from memory, between 94.9% and 96.4%.)

What I don't know is the exact contribution to the progressive, but if they're like Double Dice, where you can work the progressive contribution out yourself (4%), then your RTP without winning the progressive will be in the low 90s.

Here's the RTP section from Old Glory's help file.

 

[mulven]

I did wonder from their help files it seems to indicate the videoslots progressive RTP is in addition to the base rtp of the slot (unless not mentioned, like the classic slots). You are probably the most experienced 3dice player active on the forums so you probably know . They say "RTP (+ linked videoslot jackpot)" which is nice if true as jackpot RTP is usually taken away.

Indeed their entire slots estate is, from memory, between 94.9% and 96.4%.

Yep this is indeed the case.

 

[Video_Poker_Pro]

I did wonder from their help files it seems to indicate the videoslots progressive RTP is in addition to the base rtp of the slot (unless not mentioned, like the classic slots). You are probably the most experienced 3dice player active on the forums so you probably know . They say "RTP (+ linked videoslot jackpot)" which is nice if true as jackpot RTP is usually taken away.

Yep this is indeed the case.
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What site has that list?

 

[mulven]

What site has that list?

It's my own spreadsheet. Probably entered a few of the numbers wrong too I bet! Also the volatility column (low/medium/high) isn't actually the volatility of the slot necessarily I just linked it directly to the highest win to homogenise it as providers definitions of volatility aren't super consistent across the board.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I have lumped some serious spins through Old Glory over the last few days, and a not inconsiderable amount of cash, chasing that sweet, sweet progressive. (All on 20p spins, and put it this way, if I'd have won the £530 or so it had climbed to, it would have basically been money back!)

I was going to pick up the quest again this evening, but alas, this has happened to another lucky player.

(This screenshot and the win report were in the 3Dice live chat feed.)

So there you go, can't win 'em all! I really can't complain, and indeed I'm not complaining in the slightest. October was a great month for me at 3Dice, hitting the wild line on Cleopatra's Conquest and then going nuts trying to win progressives, culminating in landing nearly £2K on The Joker - so I don't even remotely begrudge someone else having landed the progressive on Old Glory.

November is another month, but I think I might take a break from chasing progressives

Well, apart from Battle of Bastogne.... Maybe....

 

[ChopleyIOM]

If anyone wants to see that progressive on The Joker actually drop in, it's in my latest video, direct timestamped link to the win

Gives you a better sense of the jackpot sequence than just the screenshots.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The Joker is back up to nearly £2500.

I've won it once, so it's doable again, right?

At £2500, as it's a fixed 50p bet size, we're talking 5000x stake, which would be nice.

I'll keep an eye on it, since I need to pick a ~3000x ball out of the bag on Dice Fusion first. (250K spins and counting on that endeavour.....)

For The Joker to climb from its seed value of £500 (which it reset to when I won it, and it hasn't gone since), to its current value of £2500, is a growth of £2000. We know the progressive contribution is 4%, so that means it's had £50,000 through it, or 100,000 spins, since I won the progressive.

 

[philderby]

Been playing Cleo on 3Dice today and yesterday, got 4 wilds in basegame just. So far had 4 scatters 3 times now, paid 490x, 150x and 200x. Id like to see the wildline though. Heres 4 wilds on a winline, so close!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Been playing Cleo on 3Dice today and yesterday, got 4 wilds in basegame just. So far had 4 scatters 3 times now, paid 490x, 150x and 200x. Id like to see the wildline though. Heres 4 wilds on a winline, so close!View attachment 205381

Watch yourself with Cleo, it's got a mean streak a mile wide if you catch it wrong! I see you are on sensible 20p spins though

As you know I've had the five wilds on it which is nice if you can get it. Haven't managed the five scatters though, but TBH it's not made it onto my regular slots rotation, and I'm still trying to get ~3000x on Dice Fusion

 

[salmonhell11]

If anyone wants to see that progressive on The Joker actually drop in, it's in my latest video, direct timestamped link to the win

Gives you a better sense of the jackpot sequence than just the screenshots.

You sound like the Slotwinexcitement guy

 

[ChopleyIOM]

This hasn't gone again since I won it last October. It currently stands at £7,101. At a 4% contribution on fixed 50p spins from a starting seed point of £500, that's a lot of playthrough it's seen!

I've had a couple of modest sessions on it in the hope that lightning might strike twice, with no success, but I haven't properly gone nuts on it like I did last time.

Obviously it'll go again at some point, and it'll make a proper juicy win when it does!

 

[Reelsoffun]

I wonder at what point it becomes +EV would be getting tempting if I’m honest, it will probably start climbing faster as more people plug away at it as it gets higher

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I wonder at what point it becomes +EV would be getting tempting if I’m honest, it will probably start climbing faster as more people plug away at it as it gets higher

Thing is at a 4% contribution to the progressive per 50p spin (2p), and the progressive having climbed £6,601 from its seed point, it's had over 333,000 spins (!) since it last went without anyone winning it.

Pretty long odds!

What I've been doing is chucking any 'leftovers' at it, so if at the end of a session I've got a balance of £347, I'll withdraw £300 to my Personal Safe and then punt the £47 on The Joker.

It's entirely possible to win on it with a decent run on the bigger awards, three diamonds for £80 isn't super rare, and is a nice balance booster. Also you sometimes just get a decent run on the £20/£12/£8 wins too, and there are also reel combinations where multiple winlines can pay.

 

[Reelsoffun]

I would expect that sort of game to be 72 stop making it 373,248 spins for the jackpot mathematically but without having the par sheet we will never know but I’m quite confident it will be around that ball park, so with standard deviation it could go well over a million spins.

All these type of games have a point where they become +EV when the jackpot gets to a certain point but again without the par sheet no way to tell at what value the jackpot would have to be to be at that point.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I would expect that sort of game to be 72 stop making it 373,248 spins for the jackpot mathematically but without having the par sheet we will never know but I’m quite confident it will be around that ball park, so with standard deviation it could go well over a million spins.

All these type of games have a point where they become +EV when the jackpot gets to a certain point but again without the par sheet no way to tell at what value the jackpot would have to be to be at that point.

Thing is even when it's tipped into EV+ you've still got to hit it! Technically speaking any progressive will become theoretically EV+ at some point, even the Mega Moolahs, but you can end up at worse odds than buying a lottery ticket.

In the case of The Joker the odds are more sensible, but as you note yourself there, assuming 72 stop reels, over one million spins without it going is entirely possible.

I've got a screenshot in my archives of it being up at nearly £14K.....

 

[Glunn11]

Anything is better than chasing progressives on pennies at land-based casinos: those WMS games called G+ from the early 2010s with the minor and major jackpots were really mean to me.

I miss the three reelers at 3Dice, too! The Joker was actually one of my favorite games there.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Nosed over £8000 in the last few hours....

 

[Reelsoffun]

Can’t play at 3 dice, so you’ll just have to play it instead, run £200 through it and give me a cut when you hit it, you know you want to and I’m feeling lucky so with your spawn it’s a dead cert

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Can’t play at 3 dice, so you’ll just have to play it instead, run £200 through it and give me a cut when you hit it, you know you want to and I’m feeling lucky so with your spawn it’s a dead cert

I'm not going to dig into it again, if anything I've realised just how lucky I was to hit it first time, let's face it, it's climbed from its seed point of £500 to over £8000 and no one's hit it again yet!

If I get a good run on 3Dice's videoslots next month I'll chuck the odd £100 or so at it, but it's not one I'll chase - that way lies madness!

 

[Jono777]

I'm not going to dig into it again, if anything I've realised just how lucky I was to hit it first time, let's face it, it's climbed from its seed point of £500 to over £8000 and no one's hit it again yet!

If I get a good run on 3Dice's videoslots next month I'll chuck the odd £100 or so at it, but it's not one I'll chase - that way lies madness!

We'll see lol

 

[TheAddict]

Tuesday 29th April, 8.15am.

"It's crept over 9k now. Let's see what this £150 deposit yields!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

It went again! This is in dollars, it was just creeping up to around the £10,000 mark last time I looked.

And now the long climb must start once more

I decided not to get involved with the insanity of chasing it again, well done to AMH!

 

[Reelsoffun]

It went again! This is in dollars, it was just creeping up to around the £10,000 mark last time I looked.

And now the long climb must start once more

I decided not to get involved with the insanity of chasing it again, well done to AMH!

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Did you do the math chops, pretty sure it would have been a +EV from the point we said LOL