The Day Has arrived for The UK

Not so sure Dunover.

The UK has had a deficit for the best part of the last 3 decades, coinciding with the fall of many industries in the UK and that far before any of the latest migrant "mumbo jumbo" started. It shows clearly that the governments never managed to keep their election campaign promises and to steer the country properly to replace those losses with other industries/services. The result is cutbacks on social services, increased taxes etc.

Your biggest share of migrants are from the Commonwealth and your past colonies, who have every right to be in the UK. Most came a long time ago and have been sending money home ever since, hence the monetary "export" cannot be the sole reason for the ever increasing deficit.

I am not trying here to say other countries have done it so much better. I merely want to point out that the rather small NET migrant increase from the EU is NOT THE CAUSE of your problems. It is surely on the surface as it gets splattered all over the media and people can have their scapegoat but if you look at the facts those problems were on the rise already in the mid-80's.

Repeating now an example i mentioned before. A former UK colleague waited in 2000 IIRC, could be 1999, 3 years to have hip replacement surgery done by the NHS. 3 bloody painful years for him and that was way before any of this migrant crisis talk started.

It was in the late 1980's and 1990's that "political correctness" was used to censor and stifle any meaningful debate about migration and it's effects on quality of life, as well as on the economy. This lead to the manufactured impression that there was "no problem" in all this while. In fact, discontent was brewing all through these times. However, it was movements like the National Front, and later the BNP, who dared to voice the undiscussable "migration issue". They were summarily dismissed as "the rantings of racists".

It was only when the issue slowly began to get discussed more widely that people began to pay more serious attention, and we saw the rise of UKIP with their agenda of Brexit and better control of net migration. However, what really blew the issue out into the open was the Rochdale scandal, where a long term cover up mounted by the police and the local council over organised child sexual exploitation was revealed. The uncomfortable truth was that it was primarily young men of Asian descent that were involved, and the young girls were predominantly white. The authorities admitted that the reason they didn't act more robustly was because the offenders were predominantly Asian, and the rules of political correctness meant that this simply could not be true, so instead the young girls were treated as though they were the instigators, young prostitutes luring naïve young Asian men into illicit liaisons. Whilst the issue was finally dealt with, and quite robustly, the damage had already been done. The genie was out of the bottle, and no way was the far right going to let it get back in. Every negative incident since then has been grabbed by right wing groups as further evidence to support their agenda, and there has been no shortage of such incidents, all the way from the Cologne mass assault right down to the inappropriate touching of women in mixed leisure venues. For many, these are even more important arguments for curbing migration than the economic ones, and of course, ALL migrants are being tarred with the same brush.

The effect can even be seen in America, the insular, nationalistic, and sometimes bizarre promises coming from Mr Trump have considerable support, and now he is the Republican candidate for the presidency. Trump is arrogant enough to actually build that huge wall to keep Mexicans out, and even find a way to force Mexico to pay for it as promised. I wouldn't put it past him to permit border police to shoot at anyone trying to cross, and as we have seen, the US police don't need any encouragement to shoot a non white first and ask questions later even when they are laying unarmed on the ground with their hands in the air.
 
Not so sure Dunover.

The UK has had a deficit for the best part of the last 3 decades, coinciding with the fall of many industries in the UK and that far before any of the latest migrant "mumbo jumbo" started. It shows clearly that the governments never managed to keep their election campaign promises and to steer the country properly to replace those losses with other industries/services. The result is cutbacks on social services, increased taxes etc.

Your biggest share of migrants are from the Commonwealth and your past colonies, who have every right to be in the UK. Most came a long time ago and have been sending money home ever since, hence the monetary "export" cannot be the sole reason for the ever increasing deficit.

I am not trying here to say other countries have done it so much better. I merely want to point out that the rather small NET migrant increase from the EU is NOT THE CAUSE of your problems. It is surely on the surface as it gets splattered all over the media and people can have their scapegoat but if you look at the facts those problems were on the rise already in the mid-80's.

Repeating now an example i mentioned before. A former UK colleague waited in 2000 IIRC, could be 1999, 3 years to have hip replacement surgery done by the NHS. 3 bloody painful years for him and that was way before any of this migrant crisis talk started.

Actually no, again you need to live in the UK to appreciate that most commonwealth immigrants either were single or brought their families here when able. Yes, at the beginning they sent money back, but as you so rightly point out we had a sizeable manufacturing sector back then. OK so someone waited 3 years for a hip. My father in law waited 72 hours. it depends where you are and how urgent it is. My aunt smoked 140 fags and drank a bottle of scotch with them, lived to 106 (of course I won't mention the 100,000 other who did the same and didn't.....)

Again you omit (a common mistake the 'remainers made over and over but got caught out) to mention that the British who emigrate to the EU are generally wealthy/comfortable pensioners, better-paid people and professionals with capital to buy properties. A big net loss per capita to the UK. They have been largely replaced by potato-pickers, windscreen/car washers, scrap collectors, takeaway workers and other low-paid professions which if they DO pay tax through the PAYE system don't pay much, and if they are 'cash-in-hand' seldom pay a penny at all.

So in comparison the people we export (financially) tend to be of a far higher calibre than we import.
 
One thing that isn't mentioned when Brits are criticised for not being prepared to do these low paid jobs, necessitating the need to bring in migrant labour, is that these migrant workers come here to earn the low wage, but they spend this in a low cost of living economy via their family back home. This means that potato picking here can actually give a pretty good lifestyle for the family back home. This does not work for the Brits, they are taking low paid work in a high cost of living economy, and they have to finance their family here, with these high costs, hence the low wage simply isn't enough, not even for the basics in some cases. Hence it isn't viable for Brits to take these jobs, unless of course they too moved their families out to Eastern Europe and benefitted from the same economics as the migrant workers.

Some who have come from the poorer parts of Romania are bragging that the meagre amount of money they can get here is funding a luxury villa back home, which they will ultimately enjoy when they go back. Here, the same money wouldn't even buy a 1 bedroom flat.

Brits, being more conservative in their ways than those from other parts of the EU, are actually missing out on quite an opportunity. They could sell their dingy flats and small houses here for UK prices, and be amazed at what that money can buy in parts of Eastern Europe. However, Croatia has already been spotted, and prices are booming on their coast due to it becoming the new "Costa del Sol" for British ex pats and holiday home investors.
 
One thing that isn't mentioned when Brits are criticised for not being prepared to do these low paid jobs, necessitating the need to bring in migrant labour, is that these migrant workers come here to earn the low wage, but they spend this in a low cost of living economy via their family back home. This means that potato picking here can actually give a pretty good lifestyle for the family back home. This does not work for the Brits, they are taking low paid work in a high cost of living economy, and they have to finance their family here, with these high costs, hence the low wage simply isn't enough, not even for the basics in some cases. Hence it isn't viable for Brits to take these jobs, unless of course they too moved their families out to Eastern Europe and benefitted from the same economics as the migrant workers.

Some who have come from the poorer parts of Romania are bragging that the meagre amount of money they can get here is funding a luxury villa back home, which they will ultimately enjoy when they go back. Here, the same money wouldn't even buy a 1 bedroom flat.

Brits, being more conservative in their ways than those from other parts of the EU, are actually missing out on quite an opportunity. They could sell their dingy flats and small houses here for UK prices, and be amazed at what that money can buy in parts of Eastern Europe. However, Croatia has already been spotted, and prices are booming on their coast due to it becoming the new "Costa del Sol" for British ex pats and holiday home investors.

No, they are bragging at how rich they became by organized cash machine crime, pickpocketing and distraction crimes and begging. These villas are being built in the Roma areas away from the rest of the Czech/Slovakian/Hungarian society where land is cheap and you or I would NOT be able to afford one. Why not say what you really mean?? :rolleyes:
Very few proper Romanians who come here to work legitimately on the PAYE like most of the Poles do would ever get near to owning a 'villa'.
 
No, they are bragging at how rich they became by organized cash machine crime, pickpocketing and distraction crimes and begging. These villas are being built in the Roma areas away from the rest of the Czech/Slovakian/Hungarian society where land is cheap and you or I would NOT be able to afford one. Why not say what you really mean?? :rolleyes:
Very few proper Romanians who come here to work legitimately on the PAYE like most of the Poles do would ever get near to owning a 'villa'.

They are still "villas" nevertheless. Even though land is so cheap along with labour and materials. We could still afford them, although very few Brits would want to live in such areas. However, if we went in en masse like some parts of Spain, we could take over an area and make it more suited to our tastes. Not all are funded by the proceeds of crime, even though some are. There is also some pretty cheap property in parts of France, often in small deserted villages where properties are left to fall down because no one wants to live there due to there being no way to make a living. These are fine for retirees who do not need to find work, or others who have the money to invest in starting their own business.
 
My sincere congratulations for listening to the facts and having no fear to confront the EU agressive liberals and all their threats. You know when the horror of humanity himself, george soros told to stay in you needed to do the contrary of whatever this zionist says. Nigel will earn post mortem badges and statues, i followed the brexit in its deepest detail and people concerns were all legit. Not that shocked at the result after reading comments from educated AND self aware people in the days before the vote. Let the wishful thinking for the weak countries too afraid to act and watch their destruction of multiculti while healing yours. Deport the scum, jail the previous ZOG with blair in front and reunite the kingdom to bear britons first. All hails to courage, reality check and facts combined.
 
The very liberal views have also amplified this anger because they don't just say that we should all be equal, they say that migrants should take priority, and should be given "victim status" by default which means we must make changes to accommodate their beliefs and ways of life, as opposed to them having to accept that they need to adapt to living in a country with ways that might be very different to those they are used to.

the liberal mind set: the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many.
 
the liberal mind set: the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many.

Post Brexit surveys are being conducted to ask WHY people voted the way they did, and immigration was a major factor for many who voted to leave. It was also about the sheer numbers coupled by the strain and collapse of services struggling to cope with the influx, rather than the migrants themselves. Sovereignty was the other major issue. There were plenty of headlines about new government initiatives to try and address the concerns of voters, namely placing controls on the numbers coming in to match the levels of housing and service provision, and every time the edict "you can't do that" came out of Brussels, so nothing was being done to limit the demand on services.

A couple of interviewees also pointed out that in their local area, new migrants WERE being "queue jumped" into scarce housing whilst locals were struggling in unsuitable housing and saw no prospect of ever reaching the front of the queue to get rehoused.

The fact that most migrants brought benefits to the UK didn't really matter to most voters, they were not seeing any of these benefits, they were just seeing the costs. One "benefit" was cheaper labour, but voters saw this as a "cost" because it depressed wages and lead to lay offs. Some said that their employers specifically told them that their contracts were not being renewed because they had recruited cheaper labour from elsewhere in the EU, so the insult here was that it wasn't even a lay off due to reduced demand in a weak economy - the economy was booming, but UK workers were being systematically replaced by cheaper labour from elsewhere.

This meant that on top of all the other costs, many of which were increases in housing costs due to scarce supply and increasing demand, UK workers were expected to meet these costs with a reduced income or even no job at all. They also felt the government just weren't listening, they were only listening to their friends in business that saw cheap migrant labour as a huge opportunity to drive down costs and increase profits. Some voted leave because they felt this was the only way to make hear their voices about the clamour of big business lobbyists, but really they wanted action to ensure the benefits of EU membership were shared by all, not just hogged by the rich. There was also a social divide, many of the "haves" voted to remain, they were perfectly happy with the status quo. However, the "have nots" mostly voted to leave, they saw the status quo as condemning them to another decade or more of the same, and clearly they wanted things to change, hence Brexit.

The government sleep walked into defeat. Had they listened to the ordinary voters more, and big business less, fewer people would have felt left out of the benefits of EU membership, and so fewer people would have felt inclined to take the risk of Brexit. It was pretty close too, it wouldn't have taken much to have made it a similarly close victory for remain.

Ironically, the PM was managing to make the EU start to see the big problem this was creating, and it wasn't just the UK that was demanding changes to the policy on migration, and some key changes had been won right at the last minute. Some EU countries were blatantly ignoring the EU altogether, building big fences to keep migrants ( mainly refugees in many cases) from entering their country, even to just pass through, because it was causing their own local services to become overwhelmed. A couple of others let migrants in, but stripped them of all valuables to pay for their keep whilst they were there. The French simply ignore them, allowing them to live in squalor in a camp near Calais with no help from the French state. Many thought that if the French could do this and get away with it under EU rules, the UK should also do this to prevent the UK being the favoured destination. It was really very obvious, if one country gives you a place to live and 3 meals a day when you arrive, and others make you live in tents in muddy fields with little help, or confiscates your possessions as the price for coming in, you would make a beeline for the first country, and it would end up totally overwhelmed, whereas the other two would not be overwhelmed as they offered very little. The voters in the overwhelmed country are quite likely to want to vote out of the system that lead to them being overwhelmed in the hope that a replacement system would create better balance.

Not everyone who voted to leave has grasped that nothing will change for at least 2 years, and a few are even demanding to know why they have not seen any action to implement what they feel Brexit should deliver.
 
So the most senior UK ambassador Ivan Rogers has resigned just months before he was due to play a key part negotiations in leaving the EU. But this is the establishment figure who told us it would take 10 years to work out a trade deal.
We have the likes of Nigel Clegg saying it was a disaster and Nigel Farrage saying that its great news because those in all of the key positions to negotiate are establishment figures who are against leaving the EU.
Personally I think it is great news because as we are leaving then we need all keys figures pulling in the same direction.

And Rogers warns his staff that he is leaving behind to be as destructive as possible ( Words to that effect)
It seems to me that are own diplomats are just as big a negotiating headache as the EU itself!

Edit. And why did he not help matters by resigning soon after the referendum unless it was a selfish and destructive plan?
 

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