# The 'bread-winner' system for roulette

#### gdbruyck

##### Dormant account
In his book Monte Carlo anecdotes and systems of play (1910), Victor Bethell explains an interesting system for roulette. It is called the 'bread-winner' system. This book is available at amazon.com for \$310.61!

You start playing one unit and, as long as you win you stow it away as a definite gain. If you commence losing, you continue to play flat or level stakes of 1 unit, until either you are one to the good, or the bank has won 5 from you. As soon as this has happened you begin playing flat stakes of 2 units, crossing out wins as they occur, and keeping a record of the losses.

Say you start with 3 losses , 2 wins, and then 4 losses, your score would like this: 1 {1} {1} 1 1 1 1 - [Note: {} = crossing out]

You are now 5 units to the bad and start playing flat stakes of 2 units. Suppose the game goes as follows: win lose win win lose. Your score-sheet will appear thus: 1 {1} {1} {1} {1} {2} 2

You continue staking 2. Suppose the game goes as follows: lose lose win lose lose lose. Having started afresh with the figures remaining, viz. 1, 2, your score-sheet will then read like this: 1 2 2 {2} 2 2 2

You have now lost 5 two's on balance, so you commence staking 3, and every time you win you will cross out 2 two's and write down a 1.

N.B. Be sure you do this. If you cross out a 2 and a 1 it will alter the whole system, and make it more dangerous for the player.

The table comes round in your favour, and gives you win win win.

Starting with your score as follows 1 2 2 2 2 2, the result after the above coups of 3 have been played will be as follows: 1 {2} {2} {2} {2} {2} 1 {1}

Now as all the two's have disappeared, you drop from a stake of 3 to 2 again, starting as follows: 1 1

Supposing you get one loss and two wins, your score will be: {1} {1} {2}, and you are quits once more - you must then recommence with a stake of 1 unit.

The bank has won 15 'coups' to your 11, and yet you have come out without loss. This is the merit of the slow and safe progression.

How much capital it would be necessary to have, to make this method nearly infallible? The player who had 2000 units would be in a very strong position. Remember that all safe systems are necessarily slow.

Of course, if the table had continued unfavourable, you would have commenced staking 4 as soon as five three's appeared on your scoresheet, and you would have lowered your stake to 3 again as soon as all the three's had been wiped out.

#### Nifty29

##### Dormant account
There is no such thing as a winning system in a 100% random game.

Its just not possible to consistently predict the outcome of a randomly-generated result.

##### The Lizard of Oz
System

There is no such thing as a winning system in a 100% random game.

Its just not possible to consistently predict the outcome of a randomly-generated result.

Of course this is true Nifty, however I love reading about all of the different theories and systems in table/parlor games. They are just interesting is all. I don't play em, but whenever someone post a system, members come on to confirm or poke holes through em. Which is great.

It seems that no matter what has been tried, someone has tried it and had a little success or none at all. We have a little home casino, you know with the roulelte/craps table setup. Its more for entertainment than anything else. I try out the systems, and normally in the end end up bust. Its fun to experiment though.

300 bucks for a book? Yeah someone is winning at a system, Amazon.

#### BingoT

##### Nurses love to give shots
"System"
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What the hell am I doing here than
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You can tell I am not into a System
Did you know a sucker is born every minutes of the day crying to it's mommy.
Sorry Gdbruyck I just had to put my 2cents in.

#### love2winalot

##### Dormant account
Hiya: When ever the word, "System" is used, you are just asking to be slammed. "Method of Play" is a little less disruptive, and gets better replys.

My Method of play, as regards money management, is kind of like what you posted from the book. The whole theroy is based on the Odds. That being, YOU the player, will win pretty close to what the odds of the bet says you will win. Lets say B/R bets = around 47%. Therefore the object is to pocked the winnings you have from winning more than 47%, knowing that it will not last, and to Stay in the game when your winnings are less than 47%, also knowing that will not last.

I see to many people winning 7 bets in a row, and all they won was \$7. Then that same person loses 7 bets in a row, and just lost well over \$100. To make it even worse, they were Overbetting, and lost their bankroll. They leave, and walk by the table a few minites later, and look at the scoreboard and say, "Oh....Now they are hitting".

Yes........Yes they are.......just like the odds say they should. If he would have still been at the table, limiting his losses when they did not hit, he would be reaping the rewards from when they did hit.

Also, the different betting methods people are posting here can be used for any game. imhop, they should be used for other games, and not Roulette. Roulette is not suppose to be a 50/50 game. It is a 35/1 game, and should be played that way. You want 50/50, play BJ, or Baccarat, or War.

#### Davewilson

##### Dormant account
There's no way you can win a game which is based on probability only. if there was, than the casinos would have been losing money for a long time. i saw which show once when 2 mathematicians tried to predict where the ball would stop, after several years, in which they lost their jobs, they found out it's not possible....

#### Simmo!

##### Moderator
Staff member
There's no way you can win a game which is based on probability only. if there was, than the casinos would have been losing money for a long time. i saw which show once when 2 mathematicians tried to predict where the ball would stop, after several years, in which they lost their jobs, they found out it's not possible....

Totally agree, however I can see why constructing plans and methods are fun. Plus, a good strategy can make the money last longer and thus provide more entertainment. But ultimately, yup, game of chance + house edge = lose, and there's nothing anyone or any system can do about that. Legally.

#### SnakeEyes

##### Dormant account
I love to hear people talk about their roulette systems and the mathematical probabilities involved, especially the systems that are "real winners"!
While there is that element of fun in trying to beat the roulette wheel, if you intend on using your brain that hard, you may as well go all the way and realise that if you play at it long enough, all will be lost, no doubt. Take it from anyone.
Ive probably tried most roulette systems from one point to another, and while i think that if you actually want to sit down to a game of roulette with a limited amount of money that it is better to have something thought out than nothing to extend your play a bit before you may lose it, the best so called method of play, before sitting down, plan out just how much you are willing to let go to the dealer!
Roulette should only be played for fun, unless youre a good cheater or thief!

Happy wagering!

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#### onlineprime08

##### Dormant account
Who knows? Anyways, if you are one lucky player, then it is yours. Playing the game of probability is what really gambling is.\

Anyway, I am trying some of my own "system" to win at random games. Might come up into something else. Though I am not up to it actually. Just trying.

#### Simmo!

##### Moderator
Staff member
There's a subtle difference between a "system" and a "strategy" though. As mentioned you can't use a "sytem" to beat a game of chance but a good "strategy" can help you extend playtime for sure.

#### vinylweatherman

As with Martingale, the wins come slowly and steadily, and can happen over a very long time. The problem is the eventual "take down", and whilst this is a very low probabilty "run", when it happens it is SEVERE, and returns the RTP close to that expected for the game.

ALL such systems that seek to make a steady profit through stake manipulation have this problem. The larger the bankroll, the less likely the player is to hit that eventual "take down", but when they do, they will lose EVERYTHING, bankroll, past gains, shirt off their backs, etc.....

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