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lucky

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admin-Thanks for the reply and not taking it as a shot at you, but rather as just a suggestion. I will read up on the documentation-I admit I was unaware of this.


To the two trolls that are attempting to ruin this thread-bug off.

Jetset-Im sorry that you feel that way. All my arguments were rationally laid out and constructively laid out, so if you are refusing to listen to them, I can only assume that you just dont want to hear constructive criticism.
 

foofoolemar

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Just apologise to people you have offended namely the deaf, I see you are so stuck up your own ass that you want things your own way, well my lickle weasel things dont work like that, you can give but not take I see.

what a shame, but I still like you a lot

xx
 
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lucky

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If a deaf person tells me that I have offended them, I will apologize. Otherwise, its clear you are trying to get this thread off topic. Please dont.
 

foofoolemar

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As I deaf person myself please apologise you smelly little oink

the floor is yours put up or shut up .......
 

jetset

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There you go again with another unsubstantiated accusation which you will no doubt back up on and qualify if challenged.

I have not refused to listen to your in my opinion non-constructive criticism at all, as the most casual scan of this thread will illustrate.

But I am not going to invest further personal time in an exchange which is going nowhere with an individual whose motives I am beginning to suspect.
 
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lucky

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And what motives may those be?

The only motive I have is to expose whatever the hell is going on inside the OPA that is making it perform so poorly. (And to correct it.) It's kinda odd steve hasnt responed to anything here in the last 3 weeks. Perhaps hitmob is on to something?
 

foofoolemar

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**taps foot patiently

come on Lucky babes apologise to me then we can make progress on the points in hand
 
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blueeyes_austin

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Lucky has been around for awhile...I think his (her?) motives should really be above reproach.

I'd like to start by saying that I think the OPA has been a TREMENDOUS boon for players. I was part of the Player's Fortune and Pinnace settlements. I would UNDOUBTEDLY never seen this money without OPA intervention.

What concerns me is that it seems like the focus of the OPA is shifting away from a player advocacy model to a "player/good casino" advocacy model. I'm not entirely sure what is driving this change; if the OPA needs funds and is using casino advertising for this purpose, perhaps it would be better to simply increase the player membership fee. In any event, sticking up for players is being compromised, at least to an extent, by the legitimate desire to shield recommended casinos. I can see some virtues to this; there are undoubtedly many players who are scammers out there and often I feel no sympathy for their tales of self-inflicted woe. Even so, divided loyalties for the organization divert its efforts from its stated focus.

There are at least two significant problems with the OPA strongly advocating certain casinos.

1) The OPA doesn't have the expertise or information to make informed decisions on the virtue of a specific operation. We have seen several instances of OPA-approved casinos going south. It is true that casinos have track records on which they can be judged, but how many casinos have been around long enough to prove that they can run their operations well? The number I would be willing to include among these is certainly less than I can count on two hands, perhaps even on one. Yet the OPA has not hesitated in the past to recommend casinos with very little history. Without a history, and with no access to the financial records of a given casino, this judgment has proven to be faulty, even hasty, several times.

2) This issue follows from the first. Once the OPA has given its blessings to a casino it is naturally going to be hesitant to withdraw those favors. Perhaps the most extreme current example of this is Casino Extreme. Many, many people have had difficulty with this operation, including myself. These problems have been reported to the OPA. I, and others, would never play there again. I do not think that this casino represents the values that the OPA is meant to uphold. Yet it continues to be recommended. My heart sunk when I saw Powerbet being advertised on the OPA site...again, a casino that has a spotty reputation. Quite frankly, I believe this close OPA association with these RTG casinos could be as damaging as the earlier association with Tropika and Pinnace.

In short, I don't think Lucky is alone in these concerns he/she expressed. The OPA has done good work in the past and will undoubtedly continue to do good work in the future. It has a team of dedicated, talented people who have volunteered for it. I commend them on their achievements. I simply feel that ratcheting back on the overt associations with casinos would be to the benefit of players and the OPA.

Blue
 

foofoolemar

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Austin,

such valid points, I believe the OPA decided (quite rightly but I stand corrected if wrong) to offer an invitation to every onlne casino to join the OPA umbrella in the hope that the OPA would then have a contact person at each and every casino should a problem arise, instead of a closed door should someone have a problem.

The successes of the OPA speak for themselves no one would dispute this fact.

Obviously a band of casinos will close as this is the way with online businesses, and I feel the time has come for a restructuring of the OPA with 100% input from members.

What I see tho day after day is online casinos turning into online mathematic machines, meaning certain places are so desperate for cash input you get a hefty bonus but then have to play thru so many time b4 you cash out, that surely isnt gambling ??

But a great many people love it as a form of entertainment buy in $20 get an extra $20 play thru x number of times maybe the OPA needs a list of Bonus houses as well as quality casinos (places you can gamble not necessarily wit a bonus but with the knowledge you get comps fast payouts and customer service reps who are informative and helpful, as the gap between bonus houses and quality casinos is drifting further and further apart, (with the fromer going belly up much more frequently and the number of complaints on the former becoming obviously worrying)
 

mukke

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It is sad to see how concerns about the OPA put forward by Lucky in this thread are met.

Rather than arguing against the arguments put forward by Lucky, people will rather attack the person and put forward vague accusations of who know what. You are of course welcome to question the motives of anyone, but then i suggest you back them up with some solid arguments like Lucky has done in their concerns with the OPA.

Personally I am not a member of the OPA. I have considered it several times, but I must say that lately I am not exactly hearing a lot of good arguments to become one. Rather I can see for myself that apparently nothing much is happening, and when someone then ask what I believe are valid questions about the OPA, these questions are met with utter silence from the "inner circle" and a flaming attitude from someone close to this.

In my view, if the OPA is to have any credibility, they better join in on this conversation soon, because at this time they have the ball.

Last word to OPA and anyone who belive they should defend OPA: Rather than seeing this thread as an attack, take a second to ponder the possibility of this being a good oppertunity to present your side of the story and clear any misunderstandings.

Furthermore I would also ask the moderator, if he be here, to please take care of the troll(s?) that seem to be more concerned with ruining a potential healthy discussion, than to take active part in it.
 
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thegamblingguru

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Instead of all of this bickering and babbling, why don't you guys specifically post questions you want answered. From what I can tell you want to know:

1. Is there a financial problem at the OPA?
2. Does the OPA have a problem with bonus hunters?
3. Why are there shaky casinos being advertised at the OPA? Who makes those advertising decisions?
4. The OPA said they were taking a break for a week, but a month later there seems to be no email replys or posts. Where is the OPA?
 

time

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I would like to be counted amongst those who support what Lucky has stated (specifically I am referring to his message on October 31st at 2:53 pm) and also feel that blueeyes austin has made valid observations (Nov. 3rd 3:26pm).

On the other hand the idiot, foofoo-feefee-whatever, waste my time and energy with his/her childish attempts at humor. Humor has it's place, this isn't it. You are an unarmed opponet in your self inflicted battle or wits.

I usually find merit in jetsets postings. But in this thread all I see is someone taking things out of their proper perspective in order to make a negative observation.

To Bryan I congradulate you on the success of this board. I thought I had lost a very valuable resource when the OPA left WOL but feel just at home here now as I did there.

Just my 2 cents worth, and yes fee=foo I know that's all it's worth. Here's a nickle, go by some tact.

Time
 
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thegamblingguru

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This is the type of post I was talking about. No one cares about what side you are on. How about some constructive conversation?
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1. Is there a financial problem at the OPA?
2. Does the OPA have a problem with bonus hunters?
3. Why are there shaky casinos being advertised at the OPA? Who makes those advertising decisions?
4. The OPA said they were taking a break for a week, but a month later there seems to be no email replys or posts. Where is the OPA?
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jetset

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"I usually find merit in jetsets postings. But in this thread all I see is someone taking things out of their proper perspective in order to make a negative observation."

Well, Time I am disappointed that you and others find my attempts to defend the OPA inadequate and that my suggestion of a direct approach to the organisation rather than publicly hammering it on what I regard as insubstantial grounds might be a more constructive approach.

But I seem to be swimming against the stream here in that and other aspects now being raised by people like Austin and Foo. I shall continue to differ.

Excluding good casinos (and the number on the OPA list exceeds the past duds) from OPA membership would deeply disillusion me as I believe that good synergy between players and sound casinos is both constructive and desirable.
 

Casinomeister

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Hi Mukke, hi all,

Yes, the moderator is here. He sees and knows all :)

There have been some very valid points made in this thread, and some not so valid (you know who you are), but that's life in a semi-free society, and it's good.

1. Is there a financial prob at the OPA? No.
2. Does the OPA have problems with bonus hunters? No, but it seems a lot of casinos do. They want repeat customers who don't always play bonuses. But that's something they (the casinos) need to work out.
3. Why are there shaky casinos, blah blah blah...? I honestly don't know, and I believe that will change asap.
4. The OPA said they were taking a break? I know Steve has been out of the net off and on, but the committee is still active. Many committee members were away during September/beginning October and I feel that caused the shit to fly here ad there. Plus September was a very bad month overall and this affected a lot of people in various negative ways.

Hang tight. The friggin' bull will be grabbed by the horns and these issues will be dealt with.

~b
 
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lucky

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My time for this post is limited, but I shall try and continue to make a few points, and ask a few key questions.

Admin (your name in brian, yes?)-

It appears as though you are willing to take on some of these issues and tackle them. If that is your intention, I commend you. In the absence of Steve, (Where is he? I think some sort of explanation from him or pertaining to him is needed) someone really needs to do this.

1. Im glad there is no financial problem. If there ever is one, please let the situation be known so we can discuss it.

2. It's clear, to me at least, that some casinos see the OPA as a "bonus hunters club". I would say to some extent this is true. Membership drives at Fatbonus surely increased your levels, and a large percentage of the complaints are pertaining to bonuses.

Now, you say the OPA doesnt have a problem with bonus hunters. It seems to me, from reading past postings and from his general attitude, that steve does not like bonus hunters. As head of the OPA, I can certainly envision him a little ticked off that efforts to court casinos to the OPA are possibly being hampered by the clear facts that a large number of OPA members are "bonus hunters".

How does the OPA balance the needs of members who are bonus hunters vs. courting casinos and having them see the OPA not solely as a bonus-hunter club?

3. It seems clear to me that Steve has a large hand in how the organization runs. In his absence, it also seems there is a bit of disorganization and chaos internally. Is Steve the one who makes the advertising decisions? Furthermore, who is in control of the OPA finances? Is there a treasurer that handles the financial matters, and if so, is this person able to publically speak on such matters?


Thank you for attending to these questions. :)

-lucky
 

foofoolemar

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Happy days are here again tra la lar.

Oops Im sorry we are not allowed to have fun and must be very very straight faced when discussing matters.


There, Bryan has spoken, Jetset has spoken, Mary never shuts up

SO HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN
 

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