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foofoolemar

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My dearest Lucky,

Have you instigated an OPA complaint against said offending casino?

I take grave offence at calling someone quote;
"Are you deaf? "
A great many people throughout the world suffer from deafness and you shouldnt use their illness as a form of metaphore.

Has extreme casino been very very bad? please enlighten me (Im not saying they have or havent but I would like to see the complaints as I dont read other message boards these days as I lead a busy lifestyle )

Much happiness and Love

FOOFOO XXXXX
 
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dorrex

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I am not an opa member but I joined Casino Extreeme simply on their recomandation. Right now they owe me $175 and for the last 2 weeks they have been telling me that my check will be sent and to wait for my tracking number. I'm sorry but it should not take 2 weeks to receive a tracking number, the whole process is now taking almost 2 months. I have filed a complaint with bryan but still have not heard anything. One last thing to note, they are the only RTG that still owe me money every other one has paid me.

take it as you will
 

jetset

RIP Brian
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Lucky, you need to calm down. You are personalising this and edging toward the abusive, and in my eyes you are not giving the OPA a fair shake.

Talking about sound judgement, look back at your posts earlier here which suggest that Golden Palace is a good operation. As far as I am aware the management there remains unchanged and recalling the history and their flat refusal to justify their unilateral actions that would give me pause for thought.

If as a member you have an issue with the OPA accepting advertising as a policy, or for that matter accepting advertising from a particular source then why not assemble a cool, reasoned and specific argument/complaint and send it to the committee for review and comment? I know that such a course takes a little more fact and time than a general attack on a MB, but that is the way it should be done for best results imo.

My personal view is that advertising should be confined to member casinos/companies.

Again speaking personally, I do not have a problem with the OPA accepting a limited amount of advertising from decent operations. And before you start yelling at me (I am not deaf btw!) by decent I do not mean that folks have been dissing the advertiser but there is nothing else to corroborate that by way of member complaints on which the accused has been given an opportunity to defend itself.

The same applies to expulsions which imo should not be done as a consequence only of message board postings. MB postings are certainly an indicator and one which it is obvious from many issues the OPA monitors, and I am confident that this source of opinion would place a member under scrutiny. But everyone is entitled to an opportunity to present a defence when censure or an expulsion is likely and that should be a formal process initiated with member complaints.

I accept that Casino Extreme has been the focus of a number of MB postings and I would be surprised if they are not now under the spotlight in terms of what I have said above. I am not familiar with the detail on Powerbet or whether that operation is an OPA member.

I will end this post with another direct quote from your own:

"There havent been many objections to your recommended casinos because we have been following you blindly. That time has, and will change. No longer will we stand by while you recommend sites like powerbet (currently being advertised now.) Or sites like Pinace, TVS, Extreme, Tropika, among others."

Do I infer from this that you are the spokesperson for a larger group of unhappy but unidentified OPA members who have chosen not to communicate directly with OPA? The liberal use of the word "we" suggests that to me.

And as for the list you give, at least two were expelled by the OPA after a fair hearing showed that their conduct had deteriorated, reversing their initially wide favorable status. Members will have to see what happens with TVS and Extreme. Bear in mind that it was largely through the continued and extensive campaigns of the OPA that Tropika and Pinnace were brought to book and that players recouped at least part of their losses. No other "watchdogs" played such an active and successful role.

I recommend that you do NOT stand by idly - do play an interested and participative role by communicating your problems to your committee in a direct and specific fashion. But not by generally dissing an organisation that works for its members.
 

mary

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Money isn't the problem at the OPA; it's a volunteer organisation. If you'd like to volunteer, volunteer.

Compare the OPA to the IGC--with its membership fee of over $1k--which org has gotten any money for players? Has made any attempt to truly screen casinos? And, I am proud to point out, will admit when we've screwed up!
 
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lucky

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Ok, let me try and get a few points across here. It's a bit long, but hang in there.


"Have you instigated an OPA complaint against said offending casino?"

What I have done personally is not of relevance in this specific instance.


"I take grave offence at calling someone quote;
"Are you deaf? "
A great many people throughout the world suffer from deafness and you shouldnt use their illness as a form of metaphore."




"Has extreme casino been very very bad? please enlighten me (Im not saying they have or havent but I would like to see the complaints as I dont read other message boards these days as I lead a busy lifestyle)"


See post by user dorrex below.


Jetset-I appreciate you responding. I still dont agree with, and I will try and detail more on why.


"Lucky, you need to calm down. You are personalising this and edging toward the abusive, and in my eyes you are not giving the OPA a fair shake."


Relax. Im not flaming. A point needs to be made, and this is how Im choosing to do it. In all faireness, jetset, I dont see you critizing steve for saying:

"Come here and promote the golden palace? First time poster? top notch customer service?

OFF YOU GO YOU LOSER."


to a user who calmly, and in a detailed manner, shared his experience with golden palace (in this thread). Now how can you reasonably criticize me when I made no personal attacks, when your own boss has made far worse posts, and in a clearly hostile manner? Please, there appears to be a serious double standard here. If you plan on taking me up on my posts, please, talk to steve and tell him to give dorrex "a fair shake" first, because he is clearly worse in his hostility. (And Im not hostile, Im not making personal attacks, Im simply stating my views)


"Talking about sound judgement, look back at your posts earlier here which suggest that Golden Palace is a good operation. As far as I am aware the management there remains unchanged and recalling the history and their flat refusal to justify their unilateral actions that would give me pause for thought."


No. What I said was that their support was incredible, they were paying on time, and ALSO SAID "Its too early to tell with this group, but the effort they are putting for is not consistent with a group trying to screw people over now."


"If as a member you have an issue with the OPA accepting advertising as a policy, or for that matter accepting advertising from a particular source then why not assemble a cool, reasoned and specific argument/complaint and send it to the committee for review and comment? I know that such a course takes a little more fact and time than a general attack on a MB, but that is the way it should be done for best results imo."


. Looking back at the complaints section, I see none have been answered for 2 weeks. No updates, nothing. And only ~5 complaints were updated. Then look back further. No updates for those two weeks prior. Actually, the last comment by an OPA staff member suggesting they actually DID something (complaint related) was on 10/9, by steve. So for all intensive purposes, the OPA has apparently done nothing in regards to complaints. As far as Im aware, if the staff was, then there would at least be some questioning of the casino's response, posted reponses that the OPA sent out, etc.

Now tell me why it would make sense for me to formally send a long proposal to some commitee? By the visible means that used to be used by the OPA, you are nowhere to be seen. Im not here to waste my time. (and if you have enough time to respond to a long, detailed proposal by me, why isnt that time better spent responding to complaints?)

"My personal view is that advertising should be confined to member casinos/companies."

We have something in common.

"Again speaking personally, I do not have a problem with the OPA accepting a limited amount of advertising from decent operations. And before you start yelling at me (I am not deaf btw!) by decent I do not mean that folks have been dissing the advertiser but there is nothing else to corroborate that by way of member complaints on which the accused has been given an opportunity to defend itself."


See above. Why in gods name would I even take the time to fill out a complaint when its pretty obvious that no one really cares/has the capability to do anything about it? If I see dozens of unresponded complaints, and no posts by OPA staff for nearly a month, I think its fairly safe to say nothing is being done. When its at that point, Im not going to waste my time. You can claim that I should because it would document problems with , but if the complaints are not being looked at, then whats the point?


"The same applies to expulsions which imo should not be done as a consequence only of message board postings. MB postings are certainly an indicator and one which it is obvious from many issues the OPA monitors, and I am confident that this source of opinion would place a member under scrutiny. But everyone is entitled to an opportunity to present a defence when censure or an expulsion is likely and that should be a formal process initiated with member complaints."


I agree. The potential for slander does exist. But when the talk is all over the web, I cant ignore it. I dont expect you to monitor every board, but Im sure that some of you on the "inside" HAVE to be aware of the problems at some casinos. Where is goes from there speaks volumes.


"I accept that Casino Extreme has been the focus of a number of MB postings and I would be surprised if they are not now under the spotlight in terms of what I have said above. I am not familiar with the detail on Powerbet or whether that operation is an OPA member."


Hmm, I was under the general impression that were directly connected to the OPA , and would have knowledge of the OPA's position on this casino. Please tell me if you are not working for/volunteering for the OPA, as for some reason I've always thought this.


"Do I infer from this that you are the spokesperson for a larger group of unhappy but unidentified OPA members who have chosen not to communicate directly with OPA? The liberal use of the word "we" suggests that to me."


I will say there are a number of OPA members not satisfied with the level of service being provided. Some dont care too much, some are blind to the truth, and some care but are unwilling to put forth the effort or dont wish to challenge the OPA. I will speak only for myself at this current time.


"And as for the list you give, at least two were expelled by the OPA after a fair hearing showed that their conduct had deteriorated, reversing their initially wide favorable status. Members will have to see what happens with TVS and Extreme. Bear in mind that it was largely through the continued and extensive campaigns of the OPA that Tropika and Pinnace were brought to book and that players recouped at least part of their losses. No other "watchdogs" played such an active and successful role."


I applaud the OPA's previous "victories", the effort was undoubtably hard, and I think we all appreciate any and all efforts the OPA has put forth that resolved complaints. I am not out to tarnish the previous successes of the OPA. It has been helpful in the past, as i've previously stated.

"I recommend that you do NOT stand by idly - do play an interested and participative role by communicating your problems to your committee in a direct and specific fashion. But not by generally dissing an organisation that works for its members."

When the OPA is next able to respond to a casino complaint, perhaps I will take you up on that offer. However, Im not interested in wasting my time on something this serious by addressing it to a private committee when opa member complaints that are public cannot be responded to by you.


And let me clarify one point...When I say the OPA is not responded, that they are doing their job, etc....that is not a personal attack on the individuals who committ to working for the OPA. I have a hard time believing that the 4 or 5 committee members on board (how many are there again?) would voluntarily stand by idly, not doing the essentials of the job (responding to complaints), unless there were a larger issue. I've known members of the OPA committee, and Im not attacking them directly. Please understand that. It appears to me there is something within the organization that is keeping things from progressing smoothly. Whether thats an internal quarrel, financial issues, or whatever, I just find it hard to believe none of you would not do anything publically re: complaints if there weren't deeper issues.

If there are, please inform us, we are paying members and I think we have a right to know whats going on the OPA. Like I said, if I thought the money would go to good use, I would gladly pay a significantly increased member fee. If I really thought the OPA would fight tooth and nail for me through a complaint, I'd donate a few grand. (And I know of several others who would do the same).


And one final point...not to make casinomeister mad, but can we get some better messageboards? Not only is this software inflexible with formatting, IMO, its user-unfriendly and doesnt have many of the features neccesary for a professional messageboard. (such as UBB, VB, or FT)
 
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lucky

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"Money isn't the problem at the OPA; it's a volunteer organisation. If you'd like to volunteer, volunteer.

Compare the OPA to the IGC--with its membership fee of over $1k--which org has gotten any money for players? Has made any attempt to truly screen casinos? And, I am proud to point out, will admit when we've screwed up!"


Well, if its not the problem, I would respectfully like to know what it is.

I will not compare the OPA to such organizations such as IGC (or safebet, for that matter). Both IGC and safebet are veiled as being in the player's interest, but both are also deliberately untruthful when it comes to this. I dont think of the OPA in such a manner.
 

jetset

RIP Brian
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Lucky, I am clearly wasting MY time in trying to reason with your antipathy to the OPA and I really have nothing further to add to my previous detailed posting here.

You seem to have decided that because you are unhappy with OPA activities you should not bother wasting time communicating with it, and that is your prerogative. I think it is unfair to dismiss such a channel on the grounds that you think you may not receive a reply.

It seems to me that you have decided to publicly diss the organisation rather than usefully engage with it or offer to get involved as a volunteer. There is not much more I can say in the face of that sort of approach, other than to correct your intentionally provocative remark regarding who is my "boss" and to advise you that along with many other individuals who believe in what the OPA is trying to achieve I do voluntary work for it when I can be of assistance or when I see a need to defend it when someone like you tries to talk the organisation down.

No, I am not an "OPA staffer" if that implies someone in the employ of the OPA. I'm not even sure it has any in fact.
 

foofoolemar

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My Darling Lucky,

I know you are under the spotlight here for you wild ramblings but please make an aplogy for your deaf peoples comment that really upest several people.

(I notice te private OPA committee members only section is updated very very regularly by simply obseving the time and date of last posts so I gather the OPA are not all drinking Gin and smoking love pipes.)

Now come on Lucky just apologise to hearing impaired people I know you have it in you to say sorry.


Oh by the way I, my pretty child can see right thru you and know "what your game is" so come on dont let me down I have a $400 bet on your motives
 

Casinomeister

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Hi Lucky,

As for the message board, this is the best it's going to get. This board is MUCH more powerful than some of the ones you're used to using at WOL or some of the others. If you take the time to read the documentation, you can do just about anything that you want (formatting, etc.) Alas, most people don't take the time out to read the instructions. :(

Many visitors are used to the cheesy free software boards that are up and running throughout cyber land or some steroid induced Cold Fusion monster that I just can't afford.

If I did switch to another brand, I would probably lose the archives and I'm not sure if I could import all the user profiles. To lose this info would be catastrophic and I would be forced to drink many, many beers.

And by the way, I polled visitors several months ago about switching and most people were happy with the way it is. So I guess they're used to it.

~b
 

foofoolemar

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Oh Lordy me I didnt read Lucky's "have a go at casinomeister" posting, I can only presume that Lucky has a deep rooted problem which needs to be discussed at length as he/she/it is in a sad spiral of attempting to get people to dislike he/she/it.

Now come on Lucky I for one like you and that will not change so come on dear whats up?
 

foofoolemar

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on behalf of lucky have instructed phsycologist to examine Lucky's mental state and I believe we have found the root cause. He/She/It doesnt like Dracula or vampires www.opa.com I rest my case
 

feefeelafoo

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perhaps lucky is a communist? It is a well known fact thatmost Russians on line are part of the Russian mafia

what do you think?
 

foofoolemar

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Jad my dear man I had the misfortune of looking at your profile picture, alas I do not have slap and tickle with someone who looks like someone from fraggle rock, may I suggest ugly people matchmakers who may help in your quest for sex
 

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