The $464,000 Bad Beat

[jerryg]

You copy and pasted what AP emailed you, added your link and came here and posted it to your site. As pointed out the second paragraph has a link to your AP affiliate link and I'm sure the point of you posting it is to get players to sign up through you in this amazing, massively -EV promotion AP runs.

Wrong again. I think you must fail to read before you write. To begin with, I did not even write that. Beyond that, nothing there is copy and pasted from anything AP has sent out. Run the page through copyscape if you like. I do not allow plagiarism on my site. I know you're accustomed to message boards and that internet forums have a tendency to attract copy and paste, but that is stealing as far as I'm concerned, and you won't see anything on my site that wasn't submitted by the author.

It seems to me that your primary complaint stems from the fact that you are grossly involved with bonus whore sites and that AP decided that they do not want this kind of business. I can't say that I blame them. If I was running a gaming site, I wouldn't welcome that crowd either.

I do not personally keep tabs on what their bonus promotion is, let alone the terms for it. I do not promote gambling sites and I haven't been required to make a purchase at AP in over two years, so the topic does not affect me. I can keep myself in profit and in chips without whoring.

 

[pokeraddict]

It seems to me that your primary complaint stems from the fact that you are grossly involved with bonus whore sites

I think you've missed something in my earlier posts. I'm not employed and the limits I play make bonuses pretty useless. It's simply a moral thing. I could care less that they changed the terms on new bonuses, it's the fact that players were clearing bonuses and had the terms of the bonus changed. They were misled and lied to. I think I had spelled that out clearly already.

No point in carrying on this any longer. You seem stuck on the position that it is OK for a poker room or casino to act the ways AP has. If you don't care that is fine, play there. Everybody has a favorite poker room. You asked me to point out why I called them shady and I did. You have not denied any of the accusation, only saying that their lies and changing already agreed on terms with players and affiliates is OK. I don't see how this is going to go anywhere if you feel that way.

Enjoy Absolute, you obviously like them very much. Honestly other then their shills/spammers I've never run into anyone in a poker forum that is as gung ho as you about them or really any poker room.

Enjoy!

 

[BBKPoker]

Not that unusual! (okay, yeah it is, but I wanted to brag anyway).

Back when Party took US customers, I got a table share of a $480,000 jackpot (about $14,600) when the exact same hand happened, quad aces beaten by royal, hand history below (I was HeSheSays).

***** Hand History for Game 4852181655 *****
$3/$6 Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, August 01, 04:39:10 ET 2006
Table Monster #1281422 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the buttoner

Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: kylightning ( $176 )
Seat 2: leroychin ( $402.78 )
Seat 4: scavenger_ ( $292.41 )
Seat 6: IGotDaNutzI ( $30.84 )
Seat 8: milash ( $74.68 )
Seat 9: jaybeecee ( $211.50 )
Seat 3: HeSheSays ( $107 )
Seat 10: alipapa40 ( $88.50 )
Seat 7: mylovelyBB ( $100 )
Seat 5: Sheriff ( $11 )
IGotDaNutzI posts small blind [$1].
milash posts big blind [$3].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HeSheSays [ 4s 6s ]
alipapa40 folds.
kylightning folds.
leroychin raises [$6].
HeSheSays folds.
scavenger_ folds.
Sheriff folds.
IGotDaNutzI raises [$8].
milash folds.
leroychin calls [$3].
** Dealing Flop ** [ As, Td, Ah ]
IGotDaNutzI bets [$3].
leroychin calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
IGotDaNutzI bets [$6].
leroychin calls [$6].
** Dealing River ** [ Qd ]
IGotDaNutzI bets [$6].
leroychin raises [$12].
>You have options at Four Flush Table!.
IGotDaNutzI is all-In [$6.84]
leroychin calls [$0.84].
leroychin shows [ Jd, Kd ] Royal Flush.
IGotDaNutzI doesn't show [ Ks, Ac ] four of a kind, aces.
The time at which hand ended:Aug 01 2006 04:40 ET
Congratulations! This table has just hit the PartyPoker.com Monster Bad Beat Jackpot!
leroychin wins $61.18 from the main pot with Royal

Then I got this email:

Dear HeSheSays,

Congratulations!

You played in the winning Bad Beat Jackpot qualifier (hand number: 4852181655) that took place on 08/01/2006 at 04:39 ET.

$14679.38 has already been added to your account for participating in this winning hand!

In addition, you have won two entries into a guaranteed $100,000 Monster Weekly Freeroll. Check our listings for dates and times.

All you have to do is register for the freeroll of your choice and you could be on your way to compete in the PartyPoker.com Monster Grand Final!

PartyPoker.com's Monster Grand Final prize pool stands at an incredible $5,937,619 and is increasing daily!

It simply doesn't get much bigger than this! Good luck and we'll see you at the tables.


and then I was $14,679.38 richer.

 

[pokeraddict]

Bragger! Congrats on the hit. So how did that Party Monster tourney they mention in the email go?

 

[jerryg]

Honestly other then their shills/spammers I've never run into anyone in a poker forum that is as gung ho as you about them or really any poker room.

Enjoy!

You think my posts were gung ho about AP, huh? lol. That's funny. I've barely mentioned them.

Anyway, I'm not sure what it is you are looking for me to dispute.

That they changed their bonus terms? Maybe they did. I haven't collected a bonus there in a couple of years, so I really do not follow what the bonus offering is, let alone what the terms attached are. I generally do not like bonuses at any site because of the conditions attached, which is why I never fell in line with the bonus whore crowd.

Maybe you're looking for me to dispute that no email was sent out? Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I get emails from them all the time, but I don't recall having ever opened one. I get promo letters from lots of sites, and they all end up in the same trash pile without being opened. They could be sending me a $100 ND and I would never know. Promotions just don't interest me. What I do know is that it is a player's responsibility to know the terms.

Maybe you're looking at me to dispute that it was changed retroactively for people who already met the terms. I don't know if it was or wasn't. I see one person ranting and raving and stomping his foot (talk about gung ho) and that's about it. Meanwhile, I see many people every day, myself included, who play there quite happily with no problems at all.

I don't see anything else you mentioned here. Again, it seems to be that your biggest complaint is that AP took a measure to cut out bonus whoring. I would have probably done the same thing. I would have probably honored existing engagements, but I see no evidence that they did not. Forum rumors and rantings is hardly tangible, particularly when it is one sided banter from someone who comes off as having an ax to grind.

 

[pokeraddict]

I don't see anything else you mentioned here. Again, it seems to be that your biggest complaint is that AP took a measure to cut out bonus whoring. I would have probably done the same thing. I would have probably honored existing engagements, but I see no evidence that they did not. Forum rumors and rantings is hardly tangible, particularly when it is one sided banter from someone who comes off as having an ax to grind.

This should clear it up.

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Since you do not trust my word as any credibility maybe a 150+ post thread from 7 months ago at the biggest poker forum will help you see it. It includes responses from AP like "We are pleased to inform you that with our new policy changes, all the players will be able to release the bonuses from your pending account faster than before." When this is most obviously an insulting lie to players. You will also see players report that the bonus info on their site still showed the old terms even though the software was using the formula that cleared bonuses much slower. Support sent me a response saying the catch all clause "We reserve the right to change our terms at any time". I believe when casinos use that term to not honor bonuses they get rogued, especially when they don't even have the class to put their new, retroactive bonus terms on their site or notify players. I only found it because I was working at BW at the time and got emails from several players saying their bonus was not clearing correctly. I found it in mice type on their deposit page of their software while the place you saw your bonus status still had the old terms.

You don't seem to be reading my posts if you think I am so sympathetic to bonus whores. Many rooms have changed their bonus terms, for example Stars went from 5x to 7x but they honored the existing 5x bonuses, many Ongame skins went from dealt to contributed but they honored the existing bonuses, Party has stopped offering generous bonuses but still honored the existing ones that had not been cleared. I'm sure there are many more. There is a big difference, you don't see me calling out any of those rooms.

I don't see any point in continuing the conversation, you are an affiliate for that room that seems to be very loyal, that's great. Like I said we all have poker rooms we love. We are going to have to agree to disagree I think. The great thing about foras is that we all can voice our opinions. If we all agreed then there would be no point to these boards. If you like and trust AP then play there and promote them but I don't see how you can bury your head in the sand and blow off all the things AP has done. These changes have affected you too if you were an affiliate for before March 1st when they started paying you about 20-35% less then they used to pay. If you don't care then that's fine, most everyone else involved does. It doesn't affect me at all and I care.

Who knows what will happen with the BBJ. They are up slightly in traffic now but how long will people play games with an unbeatable rake? At Party they still do. Maybe AP will have the same luck. It's too bad AP is the biggest winner of the BBJ but it is their business. Just like any poker room they don't care or care little if their players win or lose all they want is the rake. They found a subtle way to rake the games more and if they get away with it good for them. The one thing I have heard is that game quality is much better. I'm not sure that matters at the most popular limits though as I think the extra rake makes the games unbeatable or at least destroyed winrates.

That's just my opinion and you have yours.

 

[BBKPoker]

The Monster tournament didn't go at all. They dropped all US players and paid out Monster tournament entries cash values to all of those who had free entries. I think I got like $200 or something for mine, but I don't recall to be honest.

 

[maaster]

did kevinhobbes donked away the rest of his money made from the BBJ?

just curious...

 

[pokeraddict]

He has been seen in the 150/300 game as recently has 5 days ago. The consensus is that he has lost a good chunk of the BBJ but still has about 20% of it left.

 

[pokeraddict]

Absolute changed the terms on the BBJ AGAIN! Now only 65% of the massive # that scrolls in the lobby is split up instead of 70%. Also AFAIK players were not notified of this change by email or in the software. It seems extremely misleading to not only not tell players about a big change but to scroll a massive number in the lobby that is 50% bigger then the actual BBJ.