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The 1 Line Theory

Discussion in 'Slots Discussion' started by Tropicana50, Sep 19, 2016.

    Sep 19, 2016
  1. Tropicana50

    Tropicana50 Senior Member

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    I have been pretty reluctant to post this here in fear that I may of been wrong but I have been running with a theory across 2 slots that seems to allow the game to pay out more than it should. The slots are Pimped and Royal Masquerade. These slots both guarantee a win inside the bonus feature. So by playing only 1 line with a high coin value you guarantee that single line pays and you don't waste any staked cash during the free spins (by having unpaid lines in the feature).

    I have been running with this theory for over 2 weeks now across several different casinos and I am up around £2500 with only running £0.10 bets and a starting balance of £60 (split across 3 casinos). It makes the games MUCH more volatile in nature so I have kept bets low due to the swings when bonuses dry up. Due to the fact these games have a 96.5% RTP I am not sure how much edge this actually adds over running the maximum 10 lines or if I have just had an unbelievable lucky run.

    Sadly I can't track Play 'N Go slots currently with ST so I cannot run a full data set to see how things stack up.

    Interested to hear your thoughts though!

    [​IMG]

    - T
     
  2. Sep 19, 2016
  3. Je Dc

    Je Dc Full Member

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    I used to do that in book of dead, royal masquerade, pimped, and samba carnival. Samba is the one I use to bet 1 line maxing the coin value.
     
  4. Sep 19, 2016
  5. Tropicana50

    Tropicana50 Senior Member

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    How did it turn out for you? Did it remain consistent?

    - T
     
  6. Sep 20, 2016
  7. BrianGhattas

    BrianGhattas Where's My Handpay?!?

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    People on Twitch have been doing it nowadays. It's a great strategy but it just makes the game way more volatile than it already is. Getting 5 Pimps is doable, I got 5 of him recently in 10-line mode.
     
  8. Sep 20, 2016
  9. kazzi

    kazzi Experienced Member

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    Did a few 100s spins on both last night only managed 1 feature though dident pay anything was only 3oak 10/k/j pretty much, in the long run it might even out but you need atleast 2-300x your betsize unless your lucky on quick features, cause what ive i saw you rarely even get a 3oak in normal spins.

    But that 500x does makes it interesting to play cause thats a extremely rare to get with 10lines think ive managed a 230x on royal masquerade once.
     
  10. Sep 20, 2016
  11. Pulver

    Pulver Senior Member PABaccred webmeister

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    I tried this out my self and I think you have been just lucky... As you say, variance increases a lot, so you will get bigger swings.

    I got the features several times and they almost without exception paid only the lowest three of a kinds. I can't believe that Play'N Go would design a sure win feature without having this in mind.. Being a sure win feature, the results are not random, so it will "decide" how much you win each feature. You will of course get some huge bonus rounds, but you will get a lot of features that will pay only the minimum each time.

    Good way to increase the variance of a game, but I don't for a second think that Play'N Go didn't think of this when they deisgned these slots...
     
  12. Sep 20, 2016
  13. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

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    Worth mentioning that the CasinoMeister tournament at Videoslots on Secret of the Stones was won by a player having only 1 pay line active. And i remember Tirilej with only 3 lines and Hedgehok with 4 lines active scoring a WL on DOA.

    Pure luck as the variance sky rockets the more pay lines a slot has. :D
     
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  14. Sep 20, 2016
  15. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Quite possibly a false positive due to expectation and a short data sample, but game developers have cocked up in the past over this. Microgaming cocked up when they released Dark Knight, where it was possible to build up the spins and multipliers on low bets, and then start to bet higher when the feature was worth triggering. The fault was that MG forgot to average out the bets, so the free spins just played and paid based on the higher bet that triggered it.
    There is the possibility that a similar miscalculation has been made with this slot where players are not betting max lines, but loading the bet onto a much smaller number of lines.

    RTG's Fruit Frenzy had a popular tactic of playing fewer lines because the bonus round always played at max lines, which meant that playing fewer lines gave you less frequent bonus rounds, but played at a much higher bet. The bonus was triggered by a 5OK line win, so all this did in reality is increase the variance, not the RTP.

    However, this is worth a try, even for a bit of fun, but be prepared to accept that there is no long term gain, and that whilst you might get a big kick from the higher variance at first, the TRTP will ensure you lose it all back and more in the long term. If anything, the casino might even make more money out of this if people jump on this thinking it's a winner.

    If the casinos believe this is a genuine "emptier", the slots will be pulled, or quietly fixed as in the case of Dark Knight.
     
  16. Sep 20, 2016
  17. babyjoker

    babyjoker Senior Member mm3

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    Just had a go myself on 20p/1 line and hit 118x so I don't really know what to make of it lol :eek:


    The 1 Line Theory: Screen Shot 2016-09-20 at 18.29.13.jpg,Sep 20, 2016
     
  18. Sep 20, 2016
  19. kinghsg

    kinghsg Full Member PABnononaccred

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    Well i played this strategy aswell a few times and sometimes you get just nothing for 80 spins to trigger the bonus wich gives you 3OaK of the worst symbols for 5 spins. Its just more volatile and if you are lucky you get something pretty good, works on secret of the stones and wild turkey as much as good but can end in a big losing session.

    Best hit i got was a line of the best symbol (beside the wild) in royal mascerade for 750x in basegame :)
     
  20. Sep 22, 2016
  21. Nicola

    Nicola Casino Affiliate MM mm1 webmeister

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    Deposited £25 at Rizk tonight to play DoA, really bad sesson, so went to Royal Masquerade on my last pound and got back to £25 in less than 10 minutes at 2p a spin :eek:

    Gives me another try at a wildline :D

    [​IMG]
     
  22. Sep 24, 2016
  23. Tropicana50

    Tropicana50 Senior Member

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    Nice job Nicola! Did you keep going with this a little longer or only give it this single test session?

    I kept with it for a few more days but my balance stayed almost exactly the same. Had a big dip (around £325 down) at one point but then got a flurry of bonuses and it brought me back up again. Have now cashed out the £2500 as I have a feeling I'm playing with fire.

    Best of luck to all who give it a go. Ps. Royal Masquerade had been considerably nicer to me than Pimped has. Sure that's purely down to luck again but interested to hear how others did on each. :thumbsup:

    - T
     
  24. Sep 24, 2016
  25. Nicola

    Nicola Casino Affiliate MM mm1 webmeister

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    I have tried this a few more times since but the bonuses keep throwing up three 10's or 3 jacks which barely pays. I'm beta testing a new casino with deposit bonus tonight so will try at a higher coin size to see how I get on.

    It's annoying that free spins are capped at 20 and surely 5 wilds are possible in the bonus?
     
  26. Sep 28, 2016
  27. lotusch

    lotusch Megaways Slots, as useless as salt in your coffee webby PABaccred mm2

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    Yes I have seen a good few streamers on Twitch try this tactic and I haven't seen one single big win!
    Most of the times,I'd say 99% of the time it will be a 3OAK win of a lower paying symbol.
    I think this theory actually hightens the volatility on Pimped and/or Royal Masquerade which means longer big losing streaks are in the pipeline for any player who tries this.

    THAT SAID:

    It is funny to see that a few players tried it on a low bet and seem to have hit a 5 OAK big win in the Free Spins.
    I have seen streamers play €5.00 on 1 line and all they would get was 3 OAK's of 10's and Jacks. :rolleyes:

    Think Play N Go has thought about this as well when developing the slots. :);)
     
  28. Sep 29, 2016
  29. Shammrock999

    Shammrock999 Full Member

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    iv'e never played 1 line , i just dont like seeing the wins on the other lines :D
     
  30. Sep 29, 2016
  31. lotusch

    lotusch Megaways Slots, as useless as salt in your coffee webby PABaccred mm2

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    Worked for me tonight.. 250x regular spin.. :D

    The 1 Line Theory: Untitled.jpg,Sep 29, 2016
     
  32. Sep 30, 2016
  33. The Viking

    The Viking Ueber Meister MM

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    nice one :) but playing one line. 10 even 243 shoulndt matter you would still win 250x your bet.
    the RTP of the game is the same regardless how many lines you play :)
    so i dont think you win any more with the 1 line theory, you get more playtime though as your betting lower.

     
  34. Sep 30, 2016
  35. lotusch

    lotusch Megaways Slots, as useless as salt in your coffee webby PABaccred mm2

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    I understand but the key is that I have a much higher coin value per line as I only play one line. :)
    If I had hit this on a 5 cent coin value while playing all lines I would have only won €12.50 so I am happy with it. :D
     
  36. Oct 1, 2016
  37. blim119

    blim119 Newbie member

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    i always do that in fruit frenzy bet max on 1 line
     
  38. Oct 2, 2016
  39. BananaCognac

    BananaCognac Full Member

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    I often employ this strategy of betting 1-3 lines on MG 9 liners when im under $5----my best result was playing 3 lines and 1 coin on Centre Court and after the free spins I won $9.86, ive also hit 5oak best paying symbol with Thor on Thunderstruck which paid $15 --ive had numerous others but the 9 liner which is the hardest to get a big win by playing 1-3 lines BDBA which is no surprise.

    I also hit a $40 win on Isis playing only 10 lines and 1 coin - but overall it swings in roundabouts.
     

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