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The £250 Ceiling

Discussion in 'Slots Discussion' started by Yellowsamuel, Jul 23, 2017.

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    Jul 23, 2017
  1. Yellowsamuel

    Yellowsamuel Full Member

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    I am a low roller, typically 50p to 90p stakes
    My usual deposit is £30 to £40. I have noticed that the ceiling for a deposit and stakes this size seems to be around the £250 mark. I have been to around the mid 200s many, many times but I find breaking through and getting, what I would consider, a good cashout (£500ish) really difficult.
    So often I hit the mid 200's and things go south. Then I find myself cursing my greed and wishing I had just cashed out.
    Do any others notice this invisible cash ceiling?
    Or is my tin foil hat not positioned correctly?
     
  2. Jul 23, 2017
  3. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

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    I'd quite happily cash-out 5-6x my deposit, and consider it a reasonable return. All those (what you might consider) smaller cash-outs soon add up, and often, eventually, add up to a lot more than what you might consider a couple good cash-outs
     
  4. Jul 23, 2017
  5. Yellowsamuel

    Yellowsamuel Full Member

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    Yeah I often cash out 3X5 times my deposit too.
    The point I was making is if you are on a roll, you are getting decent wins on a few slots
    things are looking good then around the 220-250 mark things take a nosedive.

    But you're right If I had cashed out I would be a much happier bunny.
     
  6. Jul 23, 2017
  7. DreamRJ

    DreamRJ Out of this world! MM webmeister

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    Yep I exactly see where you are coming from.

    It happens all the time to me at a particular casino. Which I wont name.

    But lets just say I do not notice it at other casinos I play at, only in one casino.

    Like for example my RTP is currently in the 80% ish range. And again last night I managed to turn $5 into a balance of $200, then as soon as I reached the $200 mark, Every slot went ice cold, and I mean every slot. It happens time and time again. The way it feels to me is I see loads of huge winners then when I get some luck and so on, I get the left overs and then the ceiling issue arises and i bust out fast, I in fact busted from $200 to $0 in 25 mins doing 0.60cent spins.

    Yes you heard it right 0.60 cent spins and i busted within 25 mins. switched slots every 30-50 lost. and as I said every slot ice cold not even a win over $2 when it went south instantly.

    Maybe I should have just stopped and played it today, but oh well to late now.

    Anyway Rant over.
     
  8. Jul 23, 2017
  9. interlog

    interlog Senior Member MM webmeister

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    I almost always cash out half the balance once I am at twice the deposit. That ensures a break even for the session with an opportunity to do it all again.

    There is a reason that you're up on a session, namely that your RTP sits at well over 100% and that only means one thing - it is going to go downhill from there.
     
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  11. trancemonkey

    trancemonkey Meister Member

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    To go from 30-40 past 250, at low stakes is statistically very very unlikely unless you start to stake up when you increase your balance... But then of course you are also likely to bust out quicker too. I certainly would cash out at 200 if I started with 20... A 10x increase in low stakes is amazing!
     
  12. Jul 23, 2017
  13. goatwack

    goatwack Calendar Time for Buddy CAG

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    In total agreement with this. It's happened too many times to be pure coincidence. Sometimes I watch in amazement as the game does a shameless U-turn and play completely different when that ceiling has been reached.

    And no one's talking about doing £5 bets, it's going from 27p to eg 54p or slightly- daringly - higher like (gulp) 72p.

    Effectively betting 72p at £200 ought to be no different to betting 7p with a £20 balance, I've attempted this many a time, and you'd think relatively speaking you'd guarantee yourself enough room to have the same playtime or chance of getting a slightly higher amount.

    Nope, without fail you can rest assured the top symbols will just be out of alignment and those regular paylines dry up in front of you, as if by magic. The games go into full git mode. Almost as if the RTP is being shoehorned into your session and you're being told 'that's your lot for today, sonny'.

    Far too often has this happened to indicate natural fair play, you'd think at least a third of 'winning positions would lead to greater amounts. Yet you're on your knees thanking the gods if this happens once in 50 attempts. How come?
     
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  15. DreamRJ

    DreamRJ Out of this world! MM webmeister

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    I agree with ya. But as for me my RTP was already very low. So its like this particular casino doesn't even want to give me a chance of improving it what so ever.

    And the reason i couldn't withdraw is well because if i said the reason that would give away what casino i am talking about. But all i will say is it wasn't sufficient enough after a certain thing was well lets say sorted out and the left over wouldn't have been worth it.

    but I love this casino and always have loved their slots. But it does get frustrating when time after time i hit this magical ceiling regardless what my RTP is currently at.
     
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  17. trancemonkey

    trancemonkey Meister Member

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    A third of winning positions would lead to greater winning positions? Come on Goatwack... you know once you've had a big win the chances of another are hardly better than 1 in 3!

    Or maybe I've been lying for ages and they are all actually rigged to fuck ;)
     
  18. Jul 23, 2017
  19. slot_zombie

    slot_zombie Experienced Member

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    Decent advice. I have lost count of the times I've thrown away a decent (£200+£300) cash out because of greed and wanting to play on. It does indeed add up, incredibly so.

    Now I totally changed my style of play. If I win 2-3x my deposit I'm out of there. Its not about trying to make huge cashouts every time. Its about taking opportunities to eliminate the chance of losses...
     
  20. Jul 23, 2017
  21. goatwack

    goatwack Calendar Time for Buddy CAG

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    You call that winning? I call it building up my balance....

    I don't find it unrealistic to expect the occasional session to go well for once, when in a decent position. I am referring to getting slightly above that balance not smashing the ceiling and cashing out 20K!

    Is it crazy to believe one can get to £200 but no more, every time? I think what people are noticing is not their balance diminishing back down to 0 but the way in which it happens.

    You mention examples of rolling dice 100 times etc but those figures are set within parameters, slots are ongoing and roll infinitely, so why can random spins not extend winning streaks more regularly?

    I believe what I witness with my funds more than what you tell me I'm witnessing with my funds, that's just the way it is :cool:
     
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  23. trancemonkey

    trancemonkey Meister Member

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    The rolling dice example is EXACTLY the way slots work... you have a random chance (on whatever game it is, they are of course different per game) and you need to be lucky enough to get multiple ones of those and enough other medium wins to increase your balance. If you don't then of course you will either slowly or quickly win depending on the volatility of the game.

    But as the dice example should show, you are destined to have a losing streak at some point. You just need to decide when to cash out...

    And what is happening to your balance is exactly what happens on a random game because that's statistics! It's called a Gaussian curve :)
     
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  25. goatwack

    goatwack Calendar Time for Buddy CAG

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    Don't see it that way at all. Surely if I have an infinite amount of dice rolls I'd also expect to get the occasional streak of 5s and 6s just as likely as getting a slew of 1s and 2s. Unfortunately for most it almost always ends up being the latter.
     
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  27. trancemonkey

    trancemonkey Meister Member

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    If there were only 6 outcomes of course... But the chance of a big win (of over 50x) probably around 1 in 300 ish (as an average)... To get 2 of those I'm consecutive spins is 1 in 300 multiplied by 1 in 300... Which is 1 in 90000. Of course there are wins of less than 50x that can happen more often and boost the balance.

    If you're ever near Birmingham of Graz PM and l will show you how it all works as much as I can :)
     
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  29. goatwack

    goatwack Calendar Time for Buddy CAG

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    Don't know about Birmingham but if you go the the next Meistermeet I can watch you get bladdered, and then hopefully extract the real truth out of you :laugh::drink::axeman::axeman:
     
  30. Jul 23, 2017
  31. tataru

    tataru Experienced Member

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    But why don't you simply cash out @ 200 if you know so well what is going to happen?
    That seems very odd to me...
     
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  33. trancemonkey

    trancemonkey Meister Member

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    The one at ICE? Of course :)
     
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  35. DreamRJ

    DreamRJ Out of this world! MM webmeister

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  37. rena35

    rena35 Senior Member

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    I am sorry but all i can say it has happened to me a lot of times also. Maybe get to a balance of $50 or more and bust out playing 25 cents sometimes less lines. I have played at a few of my fav places and it happens often. I run like heck when i get up to $150 because i know what is likely to happen.
     
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  39. trancemonkey

    trancemonkey Meister Member

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    And so you should... That's 600x on 25c!
     

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