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Your Input Please Terms compliant - or not?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by dunover, Jul 12, 2018.

    Jul 12, 2018
  1. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    I am saying not. Any input welcome. This is an offer to UK players from a UKGC licensed site.

    Pay special attention to #2 at the top and #10......

    Terms compliant - or not?: zterms1.JPG,Jul 12, 2018
     
  2. Jul 12, 2018
  3. Mouche12

    Mouche12 Kitty Lover PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Translator and facilities manager
    Location:
    Amsterdam
    No. 2 doesn't show in the pic, but 10. is definitely rogue.
     
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  4. Jul 12, 2018
  5. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    #2 is the top one, the start is hidden by that sodding great CM logo....:rolleyes:
     
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  6. Jul 12, 2018
  7. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

    Occupation:
    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    Are you sure it's the UK version because the rest of the world still have the bonuses tied in almost everywhere. I'm not uk but those 2 and 10 is not compliant.
    Who would want to take a bonus there anyway. They are even worse than Ikibu who pays a max of €5000 if you use a bonus. These just pay €3000:eek2:

    I feel sorry for all new players today. No way they can learn it all as they should.
     
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  8. Jul 12, 2018
  9. goatwack

    goatwack Denny, two is great, but three is a crowd CAG

    Occupation:
    Stuntman
    Location:
    Londonia
    Goddam that pesky CM logo :eek2:
     
  10. Jul 12, 2018
  11. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    Yes, it's UK as I used a UK IP to access it and it offers euros/£.
    Don't forget in the UK some casinos won't let you convert more than 4xD some even 2xD if you use the bonus. 3K is actually quite high compared to many IF it works (as it should) as a second chance bonus for when you've lost your cash.

    I'd be very happy to say deposit 100 pounds, lose it and then convert the 100 bonus into £3,000 and withdraw that. Don't forget the new UK cash-bonus demarcation has greatly increased the likelihood of a player withdrawing therefore the generosity of bonuses has plummeted - if you could have unlimited or say 50k limit on a bonus AND it was a UK-type 'second chance' offer it would be suicide for the casinos in the long term.
     
  12. Jul 12, 2018
  13. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

    Occupation:
    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    I hear you and I do understand. The bad thing is that they are given the ''rest of us'' the same rules as you apart from the fact that our bonus are tied in from start to end.
    You could say that we're paying for your taxes. I stopped using bonuses a long time ago so I don't even know why I care ;)
     
  14. Jul 12, 2018
  15. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall

    Well that isn't good at all as there's no need to do that just because a minority of their players in the UK have higher protection by law. I agree you people shouldn't have to subsidize our bonuses.
     
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  16. Jul 12, 2018
  17. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

    Occupation:
    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    Not all of them are doing that but as an example Ikibu does as I wrote in that thread. Many have separate rules and some let us have the same rules as you.
    It's just too much to read for each casino and we don't really know what rules you have. What we can see it on is that the offers have dried up for us too and if there is any then it's a few spins on Starburst:p
     
  18. Jul 13, 2018
  19. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

    Location:
    uk
    Freaky Vegas, who are accredited, have the same clause in their UK bonus T&C as #10, although #2 isn't there
     
  20. Jul 13, 2018
  21. colinsunderland

    colinsunderland Experienced Member MM webmeister

    Occupation:
    affiliate
    Location:
    uk
    I haven't looked it up, but I'll bet this is an FSB Technology site?

    If it is, it's badly worded T&C's, it means if you are using the bonus and cancel it, you lose the winnings made from the bonus. It doesn't mean if you win from the cash then cancel the bonus you lose the cash winnings.
     
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  22. Jul 13, 2018
  23. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

    Location:
    uk
    Yep, both QuinnBet and Freaky Vegas are FSB Technology sites
     
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  24. Jul 13, 2018
  25. interlog

    interlog Senior Member MM webmeister

    Occupation:
    Manager
    Location:
    London
    Considering that terms ought to be unambiguous, I wouldn't touch that bonus and as it reads it certainly isn't compliant with UKGC regulations.
     
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  26. Jul 13, 2018
  27. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall

    Yes, that's what I though it SHOULD have said, but doesn't read right, too ambiguous.

    They use the word 'money' in #10 whereas to make it definitive it should say 'bonus money or funds' - money implies cash in which case the term would be non-compliant. So essentially they are compliant but have poor wording which insinuates they aren't in term #10. Add the mention of 'locking in' in term 2 and that certainly gives an impression of old-style bonuses.

    Quinnbet is fine as are the rest of the FSB sites AFAIK, but this wording needs amending.
     
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  28. Jul 13, 2018
  29. mack341

    mack341 Full Member

    Location:
    south east england
    I had this at dr vegas, the wording made me feel that once a bonus was active any winnings would be forfeited, even those won with the cash part of my balance, if I tried to make a withdrawal before wagering was completed. For about a year I didn't realise if I won using my cash and hadn't touched the bonus funds I could withdraw immediately. I think its deliberately ambiguous so that you err on the side of caution, don't request a withdrawal when you could :rolleyes: but try and complete the wagering [8/10 failing :(].
     

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