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Take a look here: Top 10 Common Mistakes Playing Slots - Casinomeister
jeebuz, still kicking Simmo? Seems dog's yearsI went to read that article thinking, "If volatility isn't number 1 on this list then...". And it is Clearly someone who knows their stuff!
Really liked this article. Should be a summary in a beginners guide.
Number 3: Assuming a slot is due to pay out.
This i question because of my perception of probability. I would love somebody to share their views.
My understanding is slots are tested over thousands/millions of spins. I am also of the understanding that the maths dictates, although RNG applies on each spin, that in those millions of spins there will be a percentage of hyper, mega, big wins.
So these games are tested and designed to give out a certain amount of certain wins. Therefore, why is it not reasonable to think wins are due if youve had a long run of dead spins/low wins?
To be clear I dont really burn spins chasing that big bonus like it seems some people do. I'm more of a slot ninja than a slot samurai - sneak in, sneak out - but i do play a little probability and it seems to work - 'sometimes'.
Is this my brain trying to make sense and see a pattern? If so, if each spin is completely and utterly random how can the maths dictate what they do? Surely they dictate through the mathematics of probability yes?
Therefore, my assumption is after a long bad streak on a game a larger win or winning streak is due.
Must say I am not confident enough in my assumption to put my money where my mouth is and am not recommending anybody who has just lost a load of money plough a load more in.
Its just a thought i cannot get to grips with or find an answer to since i started. Its my one grey zone thought.
I wont work like that because spin #1 is in no way connected to spin #2. So spin #2 is just as likely to be dead as spin #1.
Maths work out the way they do because of probability. That does not mean every 1 million spins has the same amount of big-mega-hyper-wins etc. Just that the average (rtp%) will be the same after an amount of spins. (i have no idea how many they use to test for rtp%)
Its not a set amount of different sized wins being dealt out per 1 million spins made.
Edit: Im somewhat talking out of my butt. I presented it as fact, but this is my understanding of how it works, not facts. You need to call Trancemonkey for a better answer.
You have Goat to be kidding what is the world coming to.
We have a Bear telling a fish to get an answer from a monkey.
I wont work like that because spin #1 is in no way connected to spin #2. So spin #2 is just as likely to be dead as spin #1.
Maths work out the way they do because of probability. That does not mean every 1 million spins has the same amount of big-mega-hyper-wins etc. Just that the average (rtp%) will be the same after an amount of spins. (i have no idea how many they use to test for rtp%)
Its not a set amount of different sized wins being dealt out per 1 million spins made.
Edit: Im somewhat talking out of my butt. I presented it as fact, but this is my understanding of how it works, not facts. You need to call Trancemonkey for a better answer.
Im really grateful for your answer Mr Kroffe.
@paul7388 im even more grateful for yours because it made me laugh.
See, I agree with the facts you are presenting:
Not you Paul, im back on to the bear......
1) Maths work out the way they do because of probability - my thinking is slightly different though to yours in that i think that the end user can consider probability as a reasonable method because the mathematician gets the results from using probability through RNG.
As Kroffe said, each spin is independent from the previous spin.Therefore, my assumption is after a long bad streak on a game a larger win or winning streak is due.
As Kroffe said, each spin is independent from the previous spin.
So, let's say, those monster wins occur roughly one in one hundred thousand...or put another way, you've about a 1 in 100,000 chance of hitting one.
That doesnt mean however if you've spun 99,999 spins one should be expected to pop out soon.
Let's go back to that old marble analogy.
A bage has 99,999 white marbles (assorted sized wins) and one black (which is that monster).
Now if you were to keep pulling out marbles, your odds increase - and will eventually draw that one black marble.
However, with slots...you aren't pulling out a white marble and setting it aside.
You're putting that marble back into the bag after every dip....so each spin/dip you're back to that 1 in 100,000 chance.
Over-simplified but you get the gist.
I'm sure we went over this, didnt we?
Thanks and yes your right we did and this was as far as we got.
However, i probably shouldnt have as i do too much but i have been thinking
Using your marble analogy............
Imagine the marbles are all clear and change colour when the bag is shaken.
Mathematically, it has been calculated, due to the nature of the marbles (reels/game volatility) that there is probable chance that x amount will change to x amount of certain colours delivering x amount wins. You follow?
You could play the marble game for a certain length of time if you knew the probability and either bet big if no wins had come or leave the game if you win quick etc etc
Thanks for humouring me. The thing i find difficult to disbelieve is that the slots are designed games to keep people interested and spend money so they have personalities (volatility). Designed and engineered to do certain things at certain times. They are designed to do certain things using probability, I assume, seeing as it has to be RNG.
Anything designed and engineered to work in a certain way can be reverse engineered to a degree cant it?
Ive heard about RNG and TRNG also. I take it these things are RNG. Programs not linked to a real world modifier?
Edit: Im reading this back and people must think im marbles!
Thanks and yes your right we did and this was as far as we got.
However, i probably shouldnt have as i do too much but i have been thinking
Using your marble analogy............
Imagine the marbles are all clear and change colour when the bag is shaken.
Mathematically, it has been calculated, due to the nature of the marbles (reels/game volatility) that there is probable chance that x amount will change to x amount of certain colours delivering x amount wins. You follow?
You could play the marble game for a certain length of time if you knew the probability and either bet big if no wins had come or leave the game if you win quick etc etc
Thanks for humouring me. The thing i find difficult to disbelieve is that the slots are designed games to keep people interested and spend money so they have personalities (volatility). Designed and engineered to do certain things at certain times. They are designed to do certain things using probability, I assume, seeing as it has to be RNG.
Anything designed and engineered to work in a certain way can be reverse engineered to a degree cant it?
Ive heard about RNG and TRNG also. I take it these things are RNG. Programs not linked to a real world modifier?
Edit: Im reading this back and people must think im marbles!
Edit Edit: I really didnt get the marble thing did i? Another mouth running away moment......im off to play some slots
1. Playing BTG
2. Believing in BTG's "Potential"
3. Watching a streamer play BTG before playing BTG
4. Playing thinking BTG means Big Time Gaming
5. Thinking point 4 is true then realising its actually Big Time Gimmick
6. Not examining BTG threads to see the 'potential' NEVER existed to begin with
7. Drinking while playing BTG
8. Using Dope While Playing BTG
9. Drinking and using Dope while playing BTG
10. Playing BTG in any sober state.