Ten Most Common Mistakes Playing Slots

Rule one should have been: Start playing slots :)
 
I could have done that much easier!
The most common mistakes are:
1. Hitting the "Spin" button.
2. Hitting the "Spin" button.
3. Hitting the "Spin" button.
4. Hitting the "Spin" button.
5. Hitting the "Spin" button.
etc... :D

It actually a very good article and I have to be careful what I say about it as the author lives only 30 miles from me, so if I'm too rude he may come over & punch me on the nose! :eek:

KK
 
I went to read that article thinking, "If volatility isn't number 1 on this list then...". And it is :) Clearly someone who knows their stuff!
 
I went to read that article thinking, "If volatility isn't number 1 on this list then...". And it is :) Clearly someone who knows their stuff!
jeebuz, still kicking Simmo? Seems dog's years
 
1. depositing at a casino.
2. playing Book of Ra deluxe.
3. playing Bonanza
4. playing any Gnatent
5. taking a bonus
6. playing in the period before your bonus wagering is about to complete.
7. playing any slot a streamer does
8. using the win gamble button
9. reversing a withdrawal
10. expecting to win
 
1. Playing BTG
2. Believing in BTG's "Potential"
3. Watching a streamer play BTG before playing BTG
4. Playing thinking BTG means Big Time Gaming
5. Thinking point 4 is true then realising its actually Big Time Gimmick
6. Not examining BTG threads to see the 'potential' NEVER existed to begin with
7. Drinking while playing BTG
8. Using Dope While Playing BTG
9. Drinking and using Dope while playing BTG
10. Playing BTG in any sober state.
 
Really liked this article. Should be a summary in a beginners guide.

Number 3: Assuming a slot is due to pay out.

This i question because of my perception of probability. I would love somebody to share their views.

My understanding is slots are tested over thousands/millions of spins. I am also of the understanding that the maths dictates, although RNG applies on each spin, that in those millions of spins there will be a percentage of hyper, mega, big wins.

So these games are tested and designed to give out a certain amount of certain wins. Therefore, why is it not reasonable to think wins are due if youve had a long run of dead spins/low wins?

To be clear I dont really burn spins chasing that big bonus like it seems some people do. I'm more of a slot ninja than a slot samurai - sneak in, sneak out - but i do play a little probability and it seems to work - 'sometimes'.

Is this my brain trying to make sense and see a pattern? If so, if each spin is completely and utterly random how can the maths dictate what they do? Surely they dictate through the mathematics of probability yes?

Therefore, my assumption is after a long bad streak on a game a larger win or winning streak is due.

Must say I am not confident enough in my assumption to put my money where my mouth is and am not recommending anybody who has just lost a load of money plough a load more in.

Its just a thought i cannot get to grips with or find an answer to since i started. Its my one grey zone thought.
 
At least many players have lost loads of money when chasing their losses as bad run have to end at some point and big win show up :)
 
Really liked this article. Should be a summary in a beginners guide.

Number 3: Assuming a slot is due to pay out.

This i question because of my perception of probability. I would love somebody to share their views.

My understanding is slots are tested over thousands/millions of spins. I am also of the understanding that the maths dictates, although RNG applies on each spin, that in those millions of spins there will be a percentage of hyper, mega, big wins.

So these games are tested and designed to give out a certain amount of certain wins. Therefore, why is it not reasonable to think wins are due if youve had a long run of dead spins/low wins?

To be clear I dont really burn spins chasing that big bonus like it seems some people do. I'm more of a slot ninja than a slot samurai - sneak in, sneak out - but i do play a little probability and it seems to work - 'sometimes'.

Is this my brain trying to make sense and see a pattern? If so, if each spin is completely and utterly random how can the maths dictate what they do? Surely they dictate through the mathematics of probability yes?

Therefore, my assumption is after a long bad streak on a game a larger win or winning streak is due.

Must say I am not confident enough in my assumption to put my money where my mouth is and am not recommending anybody who has just lost a load of money plough a load more in.

Its just a thought i cannot get to grips with or find an answer to since i started. Its my one grey zone thought.

I wont work like that because spin #1 is in no way connected to spin #2. So spin #2 is just as likely to be dead as spin #1.
Maths work out the way they do because of probability. That does not mean every 1 million spins has the same amount of big-mega-hyper-wins etc. Just that the average (rtp%) will be the same after an amount of spins. (i have no idea how many they use to test for rtp%)
Its not a set amount of different sized wins being dealt out per 1 million spins made.

Edit: Im somewhat talking out of my butt. I presented it as fact, but this is my understanding of how it works, not facts. You need to call Trancemonkey for a better answer. :p
 
I wont work like that because spin #1 is in no way connected to spin #2. So spin #2 is just as likely to be dead as spin #1.
Maths work out the way they do because of probability. That does not mean every 1 million spins has the same amount of big-mega-hyper-wins etc. Just that the average (rtp%) will be the same after an amount of spins. (i have no idea how many they use to test for rtp%)
Its not a set amount of different sized wins being dealt out per 1 million spins made.

Edit: Im somewhat talking out of my butt. I presented it as fact, but this is my understanding of how it works, not facts. You need to call Trancemonkey for a better answer. :p

You have Goat to be kidding what is the world coming to.

We have a Bear telling a fish to get an answer from a monkey.:rolleyes:
 
I wont work like that because spin #1 is in no way connected to spin #2. So spin #2 is just as likely to be dead as spin #1.
Maths work out the way they do because of probability. That does not mean every 1 million spins has the same amount of big-mega-hyper-wins etc. Just that the average (rtp%) will be the same after an amount of spins. (i have no idea how many they use to test for rtp%)
Its not a set amount of different sized wins being dealt out per 1 million spins made.

Edit: Im somewhat talking out of my butt. I presented it as fact, but this is my understanding of how it works, not facts. You need to call Trancemonkey for a better answer. :p

Im really grateful for your answer Mr Kroffe.

@paul7388 im even more grateful for yours because it made me laugh.

See, I agree with the facts you are presenting:

Not you Paul, im back on to the bear......

1) Maths work out the way they do because of probability - my thinking is slightly different though to yours in that i think that the end user can consider probability as a reasonable method because the mathematician gets the results from using probability through RNG.

Edit: Funny thing is if somebody told me i was right to consider probability in slots i still wouldnt really know what to do with it because the amount i spin on a game is miniscule compared to the testings.
 
Im really grateful for your answer Mr Kroffe.

@paul7388 im even more grateful for yours because it made me laugh.

See, I agree with the facts you are presenting:

Not you Paul, im back on to the bear......

1) Maths work out the way they do because of probability - my thinking is slightly different though to yours in that i think that the end user can consider probability as a reasonable method because the mathematician gets the results from using probability through RNG.

Just remember tho that if slots work the way they are supposed to then you could theoretically never get a really decent hit on a slot even if you played it several hours a day every day.

Sure the slot may give 100 super wins every million spins but remember there could be millions of people playing the same slot.

You could keep getting the bad spins while your partner say could play the same slot once a month and hit a big win every time.

Definitely should not assume that as you have had bad luck for ever that the slot owes you and you will hit a win. If the slot did work like that it would be a compensated slot .
 
I hope this doesnt make you feel like your bashing your head against a brick wall but.......

In that case, would you agree if you were given a slot to play on your own. Just you against the RTP, you could play probability then?

Therefore, its not as simple as a random number for each spin. There will be peaks and troughs due to the probability characteristics mathematically designed into the game.

Edit: Absolutely right I should not assume this - its just the theory that fries my brain.
 
Therefore, my assumption is after a long bad streak on a game a larger win or winning streak is due.
As Kroffe said, each spin is independent from the previous spin.
So, let's say, those monster wins occur roughly one in one hundred thousand...or put another way, you've about a 1 in 100,000 chance of hitting one.

That doesnt mean however if you've spun 99,999 spins one should be expected to pop out soon.


Let's go back to that old marble analogy.
A bage has 99,999 white marbles (assorted sized wins) and one black (which is that monster).

Now if you were to keep pulling out marbles, your odds increase - and will eventually draw that one black marble.

Howevr, with slots...you aren't pulling out a white marble and setting it aside.
You're putting that marble back into the bag after every dip....so each spin/dip you're back to that 1 in 100,000 chance.
Over-simplified but you get the gist.

I'm sure we went over this, didnt we?
 
As Kroffe said, each spin is independent from the previous spin.
So, let's say, those monster wins occur roughly one in one hundred thousand...or put another way, you've about a 1 in 100,000 chance of hitting one.

That doesnt mean however if you've spun 99,999 spins one should be expected to pop out soon.


Let's go back to that old marble analogy.
A bage has 99,999 white marbles (assorted sized wins) and one black (which is that monster).

Now if you were to keep pulling out marbles, your odds increase - and will eventually draw that one black marble.

However, with slots...you aren't pulling out a white marble and setting it aside.
You're putting that marble back into the bag after every dip....so each spin/dip you're back to that 1 in 100,000 chance.
Over-simplified but you get the gist.

I'm sure we went over this, didnt we?

Thanks and yes your right we did and this was as far as we got.

However, i probably shouldnt have as i do too much but i have been thinking :)

Using your marble analogy............

Imagine the marbles are all clear and change colour when the bag is shaken.

Mathematically, it has been calculated, due to the nature of the marbles (reels/game volatility) that there is probable chance that x amount will change to x amount of certain colours delivering x amount wins. You follow?

You could play the marble game for a certain length of time if you knew the probability and either bet big if no wins had come or leave the game if you win quick etc etc

Thanks for humouring me. The thing i find difficult to disbelieve is that the slots are designed games to keep people interested and spend money so they have personalities (volatility). Designed and engineered to do certain things at certain times. They are designed to do certain things using probability, I assume, seeing as it has to be RNG.

Anything designed and engineered to work in a certain way can be reverse engineered to a degree cant it?

Ive heard about RNG and TRNG also. I take it these things are RNG. Programs not linked to a real world modifier?

Edit: Im reading this back and people must think im marbles!

Edit Edit: I really didnt get the marble thing did i? Another mouth running away moment......im off to play some slots
 
Thanks and yes your right we did and this was as far as we got.

However, i probably shouldnt have as i do too much but i have been thinking :)

Using your marble analogy............

Imagine the marbles are all clear and change colour when the bag is shaken.

Mathematically, it has been calculated, due to the nature of the marbles (reels/game volatility) that there is probable chance that x amount will change to x amount of certain colours delivering x amount wins. You follow?

You could play the marble game for a certain length of time if you knew the probability and either bet big if no wins had come or leave the game if you win quick etc etc

Thanks for humouring me. The thing i find difficult to disbelieve is that the slots are designed games to keep people interested and spend money so they have personalities (volatility). Designed and engineered to do certain things at certain times. They are designed to do certain things using probability, I assume, seeing as it has to be RNG.

Anything designed and engineered to work in a certain way can be reverse engineered to a degree cant it?

Ive heard about RNG and TRNG also. I take it these things are RNG. Programs not linked to a real world modifier?

Edit: Im reading this back and people must think im marbles!

Times like this i am glad i do not have the concentration span to think too much about things:laugh:
 
Thanks and yes your right we did and this was as far as we got.

However, i probably shouldnt have as i do too much but i have been thinking :)

Using your marble analogy............

Imagine the marbles are all clear and change colour when the bag is shaken.

Mathematically, it has been calculated, due to the nature of the marbles (reels/game volatility) that there is probable chance that x amount will change to x amount of certain colours delivering x amount wins. You follow?

You could play the marble game for a certain length of time if you knew the probability and either bet big if no wins had come or leave the game if you win quick etc etc

Thanks for humouring me. The thing i find difficult to disbelieve is that the slots are designed games to keep people interested and spend money so they have personalities (volatility). Designed and engineered to do certain things at certain times. They are designed to do certain things using probability, I assume, seeing as it has to be RNG.

Anything designed and engineered to work in a certain way can be reverse engineered to a degree cant it?

Ive heard about RNG and TRNG also. I take it these things are RNG. Programs not linked to a real world modifier?

Edit: Im reading this back and people must think im marbles!

Edit Edit: I really didnt get the marble thing did i? Another mouth running away moment......im off to play some slots

There is apparently a danger to slot predictability if you know what the 'seed' values are to start the rng off with... tbh I don't know what this means but thought it could be relevant :oops:

I like your approach of trying to tease this subject about, probing, to make sense of it. You've certainly got my mind thinking about it, how games give off their distinct 'designed' feel/personality but yet mustn't have any discernible pattern in case some could take advantage of it.

Somehow the statistical probability will always come through the rng, whereas with a big enough bag of dud marbles you'd have to have your doubts...
 
1. Playing BTG
2. Believing in BTG's "Potential"
3. Watching a streamer play BTG before playing BTG
4. Playing thinking BTG means Big Time Gaming
5. Thinking point 4 is true then realising its actually Big Time Gimmick
6. Not examining BTG threads to see the 'potential' NEVER existed to begin with
7. Drinking while playing BTG
8. Using Dope While Playing BTG
9. Drinking and using Dope while playing BTG
10. Playing BTG in any sober state.

Reading this forum, I feel I might just be the only one that actually loves BTG slots :eek2:
 

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